Since Eccie might shut down.

[Fallout4]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

You seem totally clueless on how this works from the provider's side, the hours we put in on communication, screening, promotion, maintenance, and travel aside from just pleasing gents in the bedroom, not to mention expenses incurred that come out of the rates we charge. The profession is a business venture, and nothing "magically" happens without time, effort, cost, and risk. This is a choice many ladies take quite seriously.

Do you also think all housewives/stay-at-home mothers do nothing every day but sit around and eat bonbons while watching soap operas?

+100

[CurvyKatie]

Originally Posted by Short bus driver

(Sec. 3) The bill amends the federal criminal code to add a new section that imposes penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 10 years, or both—on a person who, using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, owns, manages, or operates an interactive computer service (or attempts or conspires to do so) to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person.

I am no lawyer but Sec 3 above looks like a threat to any website that functions to make prostitution easier (i.e., facilitate it) in any significant way.

I was curious about that, and would love to hear an attorney's take on that, because that is how I interpret that myself. But it does say "another person" so, therefore, an indy site is ok?

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by CurvyKatie

I was curious about that, and would love to hear an attorney's take on that, because that is how I interpret that myself. But it does say "another person" so, therefore, an indy site is ok?

That's what I'm wondering, too. I'm debating on dumping my personal website now and going completely UTR, depending on how this all plays out.

[CurvyKatie]

Also I am curious if these free escort site services and services like Wix will not start removing escort content and deleting sites, as they are facilitating.

[Fallout4]

What about sites like SA? I've only dabbled a few times but some are down to P2P. And seeing as a gent has to cough up $90 a month. Might weed out the time wasters?

[CaseyKK]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

You seem totally clueless on how this works from the provider's side, the hours we put in on communication, screening, promotion, maintenance, and travel aside from just pleasing gents in the bedroom, not to mention expenses incurred that come out of the rates we charge. The profession is a business venture, and nothing "magically" happens without time, effort, cost, and risk. This is a choice many ladies take quite seriously.

Do you also think all housewives/stay-at-home mothers do nothing every day but sit around and eat bonbons while watching soap operas?

Couldn’t agree more! They’re not just taking away the sites, they’re taking our safety away too. Without screening and references how can we make sure the guy who knocks on the door is safe? Simply asking questions isn’t gonna cut it, I need a reliable source to make sure I’m safe.

[telephoneman]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

You seem totally clueless on how this works from the provider's side, the hours we put in on communication, screening, promotion, maintenance, and travel aside from just pleasing gents in the bedroom, not to mention expenses incurred that come out of the rates we charge. The profession is a business venture, and nothing "magically" happens without time, effort, cost, and risk. This is a choice many ladies take quite seriously.

Do you also think all housewives/stay-at-home mothers do nothing every day but sit around and eat bonbons while watching soap operas?

Sorry to burst your bubble but working as a provider ISN'T a difficult job at all. It doesn't take a lot of thought. Provider gets verified in one of those sites and waits on verified members who have references or oks. Some ladies want you to PM in Eccie and then give your number and you are off to the races. Even getting an incall in Houston is a snap with the popularity and simplicity of Palace Inns. This isn't rocket science and most of the ladies don't take it THAT SERIOUSLY. The ones that screen heavily or do a lot of prep work have something going on inside their heads or are obsessive compulsive types. Like a lot of things in life through practice and repetition working as a provider becomes routine and really easy to do once you get the hang of it.

[CurvyKatie]

Originally Posted by telephoneman

Like a lot of things in life through practice and repetition working as a provider becomes routine and really easy to do once you get the hang of it.

So does working at McDonalds, and that is a job.

Work is still work, all the same.

[telephoneman]

Originally Posted by CurvyKatie

So does working at McDonalds, and that is a job.

Work is still work, all the same.

Law isn't going to hassle a McDonalds employee. Don't compare apples with oranges.

[CurvyKatie]

Look here jack hole, your rambling post of idiocy had nothing to do with the legalities of work, you simply tried to discredit that there is any work involved in this and that is is merely easy and nothing but routine.

I AM NOT GOING AROUND WITH FUCKING DIPSHIT TROLLS RIGHT NOW.

Take your fucking bullshit elsewhere and stupid fucking taunts against women in the industry somewhere else cause this is NOT the fucking time for it.

Work is work and our work has many more difficulties and risks to deal with than McDonald's. So NO, don't compare apples and oranges. WHAT WE DO IS MORE RISKY AND DIFFICULT.

And trolls like you can eat a dick right now while I am busting my ass trying to get all this information out to everyone.

[CurvyKatie]

I was up til 4am on my birthday answering emails about the contact list and again up at 10am answering emails til 4PM yesterday and then taking phone calls from people who need answers about what is happening. And then back to pre-screens until I fell asleep. I am awake and back at it again.

AND HERE IS YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT POST ABOUT HOW WE DO NO WORK AT ALL AND HOW THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOO EASY.

Eat a dick.

People at McDonald's don't deal with this shit.

[humbleshyguy]

Originally Posted by Short bus driver

(Sec. 3) The bill amends the federal criminal code to add a new section that imposes penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 10 years, or both—on a person who, using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, owns, manages, or operates an interactive computer service (or attempts or conspires to do so) to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person.

I am no lawyer but Sec 3 above looks like a threat to any website that functions to make prostitution easier (i.e., facilitate it) in any significant way.

Basically: If a person uses a website, message board, or any other type of computer service that promotes or facilitates the prostitution of someone other than his/herself, the feds can come after the person utilizing that service with fines, prison time, or both. In other words, promoting yourself with a website, online ads, etc. would not fall under this section of the criminal code. Doing it for someone other than yourself, whether you are simply managing them, pimping them, or just helping a friend put an ad up, exposes you to jailtime or fines. Running a website where people other than yourself can advertise themselves, etc., (such as ECCIE or backpage) exposes the owner AND the operators (including moderators) of that website to fines or jailtime under this section of the code.

Doesn't matter if the service or the site is out of the country. All the feds need is access to the person. Generally, if you are American, they can come after you! If you are not American, they will come after you if you are on American soil!!!

Basically, under this section of the code, having your own website is ok. Not sure yet if there is any other law that goes after having your own site for your personal gain. I am sure though, first amendment protections would generally protect you from the government going after a personal website, but beware that first amendment protections USUALLY (not always) do not apply to a situation where the person intentionally commits a crime. (IE, cannot run a website selling illegal drugs, prescriptions without proper licensing, etc. and then claim first amendment protection when the feds come in for the bust and shudown.)

My non-legal advice for those that advertise their own websites would be to remove sections that list "services offered" such as MSOG or BBBJ. Just never include information that you wouldn't or couldn't explain away under testimony or in a deposition.

[Guest101118]

I better get work still some ladies I want too see 😎

[CurvyKatie]

That is how I interpreted it, humbleshyguy. I am assuming this would include web developers who build sites for ladies as well.

[humbleshyguy]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

That's what I'm wondering, too. I'm debating on dumping my personal website now and going completely UTR, depending on how this all plays out.

I would love to get a criminal or constitutional lawyer's take on this (I mostly worked on making debt collectors cry and personal injury before I stopped that life) but I am almost sure that a personal website would be safe as long as it doesn't scream prostitution at you. I would recommend against posting "services offered" apart from dates, GFE (really, there is not definition of that), relaxation, and other nebulous terms that are impossible to clearly define. Listing that you provide DATY, BBBJ, MPCFS, etc. clearly states that such is available for the right fee.

On top of that, be sure you include a disclaimer that your rate is strictly for time and companionship, etc. and not for any services that are illegal within the jurisdiction that you are in. And that any reviews that are attached are for fantasy purposes only and are not necessarily related to any events that may have occurred in real life.

Everyone with a personal website just needs to go through them with a fine-tooth comb to make sure there is nothing there that states you are doing anything illegal for pay. You can imply that you do, just don't say it in plain language.