Colombia

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

I did watch Fox and specific violent charges were 100% verbalized.

Share. And by all means tie those to specific migrants on the plane. It would be lovely of you to run that down for everyone on both flights to support that 100% claim.

Can you?

[Green_Mountain]

I’m not searching for the video clip.

Maybe I made it up?

No, I didn’t.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

I’m not searching for the video clip.

Maybe I made it up?

No, I didn’t.

I believe you saw what you saw. I know you weren't given the whole story. And I can see you're not really looking you dig into the truth

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

You're confused again.

No, you're the one who brought up expulsions, but are too confused to answer my simple question:

Originally Posted by lustylad

Look up the word "expulsion". So they were expelled for... no reason? Uh... how does that work, Gristle?

Let's turn the argument around. Are you claiming some of the deportees were unlawfully expelled? Are you saying ICE is exceeding its authority?

Lose the condescension and stop dancing around every question.

[HDGristle]

It's not worth answering. This isn't about unlawful expulsions and the authority to deport isn't the question. That's a strawman.

One doesn't need to be "an illegal" or a "criminal" to be inadmissable and expulsed so you're feeding us red herrings.

You're also making assumptions about illegal presence, which also isn't required. I know why. Haven't seen anyone here come within a mile of making that point.

And there's another factor involving dependent [redacted] which you've missed. And there wouldn't be criminality attached to those [redacted].

[Devo]

Didja see their President called on all Colombians to leave the US and come home?

He's even offering them money to return.

[Devo]

Any alien here without permission from the USA IS a criminal, take them all.

[HDGristle]

Define "here" because your argument hinges on that more than you think it does

[Devo]

No.

You know exactly what I mean, when I say here.

[HDGristle]

No, I don't. And we need this clarity because it matters

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Devo

No.

You know exactly what I mean, when I say here.

... Ain't even worthe the waste of time explaining.
Keep telling you mates ... Ignore, ignore, ignore.

... Trump WON the lil' tiff with Colombia. ... Case closed.

#### Salty

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Let's turn the argument around. Are you claiming some of the deportees were unlawfully expelled? Are you saying ICE is exceeding its authority?

Originally Posted by HDGristle

It's not worth answering...

Of course it's worth answering. You just don't want to go there. You would rather quibble over who is or isn't deserving of being branded a "criminal" or an "illegal".

As long as Trump and ICE don't act unlawfully or exceed their authority, they're just carrying out a key policy mandate or promise that got them elected. You can whine and carp and nitpick and fear-monger from the sidelines all you want, but you really can't stop them.

I always thought (legal) immigration was a good thing. But that was back in the days when the border was relatively secure. Then the Biden/Harris Democrats came in and threw open the floodgates - stupidly and irresponsibly. Now for every legal immigrant, we have 3-4 illegal ones. People noticed. Attitudes changed. Idiot progressive democrat open-border policies are what empowered and elected Donald Trump. When will you acknowledge this?

[HDGristle]

Cute sentiment. Sadly, wrong.

I don't have to go there. You're not on solid ground.

Petro's point is valid but you keep trying to spin

[lustylad]

Sorry, Gristle. The time for timid, milquetoast diplomacy is over. Biden/Harris fucked up the border situation so badly that I couldn't care less who objects to Trump's long-overdue corrective measures, however ham-fisted they appear to you. You unleashed the gringos in the first place.

If you want to tell us trumpy is acting unlawfully or exceeding his authority, I'll listen. Until then, you have no cred with me on this.

[HDGristle]

I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still

I don't want or need your cred Lusty. You're not on solid ground when you toss around illegals casually or use criminal out of context.

It's cute, but we've strayed very far from the vision. And that's not been my doing.

He recognized the will and the heart, and the humanity of people. Tough, but fair. Firm, but welcoming. He didn't see illegals everywhere and around every corner like some of you do. He saw opportunity and the American dream. The capacity to adapt and improve. To grow. To assimilate. To wield power responsibly.

The shining city on the hill. AND not OR.

The reason people with the will and the heart brave the journey, while soft folks with hard hearts turn a blind eye toward our purpose and responsibility. Lacking will and integrity. Relying on fake emergencies to justify ignorance, intolerance and xenophobia. Turning allies into enemies. Pretending we win instead of winning.

My, my, aren't we having fun?