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Old 07-04-2013, 09:17 AM   #1
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Default A question about postponing the Business Mandate

As might be expected, the big news on all the blogs, liberal and conservative, is, "can the President just cherry pick parts of a Law he does not like and not enforce, or implement it".

I honestly do not know. We all know that Obama Care is now the "Law of the Land". Found Constitutional by the Supreme Court. Is not doing what the Law says in affect, "against the law".

And, if the President can just postpone parts of this law, what is to keep him from doing the same in other Laws. For instance, the upcoming Immigration Law? What if the President decided NOT to enforce the "border securing" portion of it after all of the illegals are given legal status?

Just my opinion, but I would think the President would have to go back to Congress in order to change provisions of a Law that they passed, He signed, and the Supreme Court heard and ruled Constitutional.

The way our Government works, the enforcement of Laws are vested in the Administrative Branch. If they do not "enforce the laws", are they breaking the law. And if so, what are the consequences?.

I was watching CNN earlier, and one pundit said she did not think the President could do that, because it is in affect a "post line item veto". But the big question is, who will stop it?. The News Media will ignore it, the Senate will say nothing, and the House will give a bunch of blustering speeches that will amount to nothing but hot air.

In short, the President can do just what he wishes because the very controles that are placed up the different branches of Government by our Constitution do not seem to be in affect anymore.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:39 AM   #2
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Jackie,

I just happened to read this article this morning. It answers your questions thoroughly. Bottom line is...no, Obama can't do what he does; but that silly little thing called the law doesn't get in the way of him carrying out his agenda.

(P.S.- You can add the regulatory abuses of the EPA to the examples given in the article.)
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Employer Mandate? Never Mind

Obama decides not to enforce the heart of his health-care law..

These columns fought the Affordable Care Act from start to passage, and we'd now like to apologize to our readers. It turns out we weren't nearly critical enough. The law's implementation is turning into a fiasco for the ages, and this week's version is the lawless White House decision to delay the law's insurance mandate for businesses, though not for individuals.

The employer mandate is central to ObamaCare's claim of providing universal coverage. Companies with 50 or more "employee equivalents" must pay a $2,000 penalty per full-time employee if they don't provide government-approved health insurance. The provision was supposed to start in January, and delaying it is like Ford saying its electric car is ready to go, except the electric battery doesn't work.

But all of a sudden on Tuesday evening Mark Mazur—you know him as the deputy assistant Treasury secretary for tax policy—published a blog post canceling the insurance reporting rules and tax enforcement until 2015 as Washington began to evacuate for the long Independence Day weekend. Enjoy the holiday, mate.

White House fixer Valerie Jarrett tried to contain the fallout with a separate blog post promising that ObamaCare is otherwise "staying the course." That's true only if she's referring to the carelessness and improvisation that have defined the law so far.

Mr. Mazur cited the "complexity of the requirements" as the reason for the delay. He isn't talking about business confusion and uncertainty, as damaging as those are. This is probably an admission that Treasury's information technology isn't ready to process and cross-check paperwork across the 5.7 million businesses in America, especially the pass-through S-corps and partnerships that file under the individual tax code.

This is more than a typical government snafu. It relates directly to the design of the law, which was thoughtlessly written and rammed through Congress with instructions for the bureaucracy to figure it all out.

And, lo, over eight interim final rules, three final rules, 20 requests for comment, 21 proposed rules, one information collection request, two amendments to the interim final rules, six requests for information and one frequently-asked-questions document, the Administration has created an employer-mandate system that, for example, requires business to track and report every full-time employee's hours of service on a monthly basis.

Meanwhile, the law stipulates that a full-time workweek for the purposes of the mandate is 30 hours, when general business practice is at least 35. The result is that businesses have been scrambling to insulate themselves from higher labor costs by hiring part-time workers, or splitting shifts, or in some industries like fast food even sharing workers. Small firms trying to expand while avoiding the 50-worker trigger have come to be known as 49ers.

The delay will help these and other employers avoid immediately higher costs, which is why the main business lobbies endorsed it. But the decision will continue to dampen overall job creation because businesses know they'll still be whacked in a year. Businesses don't hire workers with the intention of sacking them later.

The Administration's media cheerleaders are nonetheless portraying this as a stroke of political genius to push all the pain past the 2014 elections. But if that's the goal, it is too clever by half. If Republicans have any sense, they will move immediately to delay the rest of the bill for at least a year too. They should start with the individual mandate to buy insurance or pay a tax.

Individuals are only supposed to be eligible for ObamaCare's subsidies if their employer doesn't offer the right benefits. But how will the Treasury know who qualifies in 2014 if they lack the information that businesses are supposed to provide? Citizens must also pay the individual mandate-tax if they decline coverage from their employer. How will the Treasury verify these offers?

Which brings us to the dubious legality of this delay. The Affordable Care Act's Section 1513 states in black-letter law that "(d) Effective Date.—The amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013." It does not say the Administration can impose the mandate whenever it feels it is politically convenient.
This selective enforcement of laws has become an Administration habit. From immigration (the Dream Act by fiat) to easing welfare reform's work requirements to selective waivers for No Child Left Behind, the Obama Administration routinely suspends enforcement of or unilaterally rewrites via regulation the laws it dislikes. Now it is doing it again on health care, without any consultation from, much less the approval of, Congress. President Obama probably figures business and Republicans won't object because they don't like the law anyway.

But Republicans should give Mr. Obama the legal authority to suspend the mandate—in return for other concessions. In addition to forcing votes on suspending the individual mandate-tax, this could include repealing the medical device tax and other harmful provisions. Democrats will find it hard to defend an individual mandate-tax now that businesses are spared. And a delay of one year can easily become two, then three, and then past the next Presidential election.

ObamaCare has become a rolling "train wreck," in Senator Max Baucus's memorable phrase, and it gets worse the more of it the public sees. The employer mandate is terrible policy, as the law's critics said before it passed. Now the Administration is all but admitting it can't implement it properly, and the task for opponents is to press the concession and begin to delay the rest of the law and dismantle it piece by piece.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...972896364.html
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:59 AM   #3
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It is my understanding that the delay was asked for and granted to business leaders who were suggesting that larger companies will need an additional year before they are forced to offer health insurance to all employee's.

I suspect it will have a negative effect on the incentive that larger company's might have to hire new employee's due to the year delay.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:01 AM   #4
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Cruz on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26o-pAeu63w
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:18 AM   #5
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The executive branch is charged with enforcing the law, and it can of course choose not to enforce the law if it wants. But people can sue the federal government, and a judge could theoretically force the administration to enforce the mandate.


(from Forbes mag)
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:49 AM   #6
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Obama has ignored the law many times; DOMA, the Black Panthers, IRS snooping, his own bill on transparency, going to Congress before a planned military action, NSA wiretaps, you name it. Some presidents do something where they write a revision in the margin of a legislative bill. Obama just does what he wants just like his forefathers did in the mother land.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:23 AM   #7
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The executive branch is charged with enforcing the law, and it can of course choose not to enforce the law if it wants. But people can sue the federal government, and a judge could theoretically force the administration to enforce the mandate.


(from Forbes mag)
That's it in a nutshell.

The Supreme Court, can order the President to enforce a law, but even then, he can simply ignore them.

Of course, the Constitution offers the ultimate enforcement, that being impeachment, conviction, and removal from office.

But we all know that as long as the Senate is in the hands of the Democrats, that will never happen.

This isn't the first time we have been here. Lincoln ignored Congress and the Courts during the War, FDR pretty much told them to kiss his ass all during the New Deal Era. We survived those, I suppose we will survive this as well.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:27 AM   #8
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actually, IMO this is part of the law that not only needs to be postponed but revised before its implemented.. I cant say Iam hearing corporations or businesses with 50 or more employees who don't already provide health coverage bitching about the delay
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But Obama will NOT delay the individual mandate....................... ..big business gets the break; Obama says fuck the small business/entrepreneur.

Afterall, small business can't line Obama (and Democrat) coffers with campaign contributions like Apple and other Democrat friendly big business.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:55 PM   #10
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Jesus fucking Christ. any of you willing to stand on the side of logic and common sense?

Lets face it ballgarglers... Ain't gonna get him out. And you aint getting the White House anytime soon ... hopefully not within your miserable life expectancy.

So decide what you REALLY want. You want to make laws work or you just want to bitch, whine, piss and moan?

I know. That's a rhetorical question.

He didn't ignore the law. He gave YOUR pals in business a little more time to get their shit together.
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He gave the Democrats a campaign year to avoid the negative fallout from Obamacare.

BTW, it is the Obama administration that doesn't have it's shit together regarding implementation of Obamacare....

Lame attempt to spin the obvious away from Obama's incompetence.......
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To what end, Whirlyturd?
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To what end, Whirlyturd?
This end you piece of shit...

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