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Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 02:57 AM

Hello, ladies I need some help and need honest opinions. These are speculative opinions. I know things this year

Here is the scenario.
A group of friends and I throw a super bowl party every year. It started a few years back and we rotate cities every year. It’s basically a once a year man’s retreat where we rent a mansion for a weekend, club hop in limos, drink , and have a good time. Well, The last one we had in St Louis was amazing and we are coming to my host city Dallas. There isn’t much I can do to top the previous years but I have an idea in mind….

Most of the times we pick up girls from the various clubs we go to because anyone rolling up in stretch limo and 2-3 tables of VIP is getting some females attention… Well, here is the problem… Most of the girls are OK with coming back to the mansion/beach house, but only a few of them want to do what we had them come there to do.. Most just drink the alcohol and eat all our food then asked to be taken back in the limo. Or we have a dude or two that just can’t pull one sooooooo… Here are the question(s). I am only looking for assistance for 1 night only (Feb 2).. The other nights will be preoccupied.

1. Should I hire a few escorts/providers to accompany us that day to prevent the unlucky “man down scenario”?

2. If so how would most providers feel about going to a house with a bunch of other dudes & chicks? I’m all about making sure everyone is comfortable. And I know I’ve seen on here were a few providers made comments where NO parties! I’m not looking for any GB, just something everyone can drink and have a nice time and when its time go back to their respective rooms and do what we gotta do.

3. Also would most of you provider charge a flat rate fee or per the hour… I didn’t want to give the perception to my guests that anyone is a provider, so I would like for us to stop by a couple of clubs and then we head back to the mansion /house for fun. We are getting a party bus so travel, drinks and food will be provided ALL night. Just wanted some guaranteed

4. Money is important, because our budget for the entire weekend is only about $5,000-$6,000. From the mansion, limo for the weekend, personal chef, VIP, Food, Liquor, etc…. You can see where it begins to add up… With that being said should I just hire some stripper/providers afterwards and meet us back at the house??

I just wanted to open to flood gates and ask all ladies their opinions and what you think about it… We named it “Rock Star weekend” some years back. These are speculative opinions. I know things change year after year but doing something like this takes months and months of planning. I really appreciate your honest reviews.

A few basics:
- Group size 6-10 (depending on who can make it next year)
- Dates Feb 2 2013
- The group is predominantly AA males ages 30-40

Tiffani Jameson · 08-06-2012, 03:33 AM

Good thing I'm up! LOL

So, let's get this straight...

*You want to throw a pro/some pros in with a bunch of civvie girls
*You want to throw a pro/some pros in with a bunch of unscreened guys
*You want her/them cheap to defray the cost of a personal chef
*You want her/them there to give the guy(s) that NO ONE ELSE will touch some attention

I hope I covered everything.

I know guys are hunters, and that's probably a part of the appeal of finding random girls at the club, but I suggest putting some big boy pants on these guys, and have the guys hire some girls on their own. You do a little scouting of Dallas' talent, and let them know what's going on, and that way no one gets left out.

The type of girls you're looking for should be comfortable with African Americans, and preferably won't feel the need to put on an act the entire time. But when you tie that in with the look you're going for, I'm guessing young, classy and non-ratchet, and able to hold a conversation, you're talking some real money. My 8+ hour clock-free day with no overnight is 1500, and I don't walk into situations with more than one person lightly. No one's responsible for me there but me.

This would have to be done like a social. Most of the time when a verifiable hobbyist invites ladies to a meet and greet, there is an expectation that EVERYONE there is verifiable as well. Otherwise, it's a possible set-up situation. This is why I say that if you choose this route, let each guy there choose his own lady. Now that everyone's paid, everyone's happy, and things can happen a bit more organically. Each lady should be informed of the others attending so they know what they're walking into.

If you choose the one 'secret floater' for the "Man Down" situation, if he's a creep, or demeaning when he's drunk, or there's something she doesn't like about him (there's not a Man Down situation for nothing. You can say what you want), you STILL can't force her to do anything with him if she doesn't want to. No amount of "but I paid you" is going to make her. In the event of that happening, I'm sure a partial refund would be in order. But still, an awkward situation to walk into regardless.

And from very unique experiences, I know how those Man Down situations work. He hits on every girl not nailed down, probably offers a little money anyway, and ends up cursing all womankind. "Maaan, fuck these hoes..." LOL. FYI, nobody likes that guy.

I hope I've given you something to think about from a lady's perspective.

Sounds like a great time!

Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 04:50 AM

Hey Tiff, Good thing you are up.. Thanks for the very timely response...
OK,
Mixing pros and civilians: Well, if you are going to several different clubs the likelihood of us picking up civilians is pretty likely. As stated before we always pick up civilians... They usually bat about .500 so I wanted to better the odds with some pros. I do understand your concerns but hiring a professional was the same reason we hired a personal chef and a DJ.. Yea, we could have just anyone but you search for a professional to do just that.

As far as price: I never said I was looking for a "cheap" professionals. I stated that the main objective of the weekend was NOT the professional but to have a good time. I wanted a reasonable rate due to all the accommodations that the pro will have at their leisure and wanted to get realistic rates.

As far as the guy no one wants

: Lmao I have nothing to say about that… There are 2 that have been married for over 15 years and the whole approaching women at clubs makes them uncomfortable.

As far as them putting on the big boy pants... ALL of them live out of state, ALL have SO, and most if not all will waste their time in trying to find a provider here in Dallas. The job of the host is to provide everything... When they step off the plane at DFW I am supposed to have everything taken care of.

I completely understand no one is going to look after you like you will. The reason I mentioned AA is to make sure if there were some interested Caucasian providers they would be informed. Some providers aren't comfortable with AAs I wanted to make sure that information is out there

As far as the set up

... The fellas are not even aware of rates or anything like that. If ANY provider wanted to know any and all the information of all the clients that would be provided (work contacts etc) Most of my friends are not hobbyist as other states arent as active as Texas. But if my pinky promise of we are not cops won't do I'm sure we can come to some type agreement that will make all the providers/pros comfortable.

If I was to hire 1 floater for the man down

: I'm not bragging but most of the guys in my group are business professionals and business owners and some are making well
over 100K/yr... With that being said the "Fuck these hoes" situations if you went through I am sorry to hear that. That never crossed my mind because I didn't think grown men acted like that, lmao... I wouldn’t know but probable when you deal with a younger college you early crowd that could be possible so I'm not saying that couldn’t happen. So even if my boy George (owner of Nu Style Customs) came down here and stated "Hoes aint shit" while in the mansion belligerently drunk stumbling over furniture in a million dollar rented mansion.... NO ONE WILL BE OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING... If anything I'd kick his ass before the girl would have to worry about anything

So to answer your question, in our group the “man down” is the guy that has been out of the game for over a decade and picking up a young girl in a club is probably the last attribute he has used in the past 10+ years

Tiff, I really do appreciate your feedback so I don't want you to think I am responding as a smart ass.. I'm just sorry because I really didn't think yall would be dealing with the senseless shit you do. much respect to your profession and much respect to you... I hope I somewhat answered your questions and I hope I answer anyone else.. I'm hoping you use this information to be able to give providers so they won't be concerned about irrelevant things I can answer early..

~Ze~ · 08-06-2012, 06:43 AM

I had an issue with all the time you want to take away from a lady. Hanging out at a few different clubs and then being on the clock later kinda sucks. At least for me cause I am not a party girl.

If you want to minimize cost, you have to minimize the time you are taking from a lady/ladies.

You could just go about your night like everything is normal, then have a couple of girls on call before you get to your last club of the night. If you have seen that there are two guys in your group that have just been striking out, now is when you call in your pinch hitters.

Get your guys situated at the tables, and you wander back outside to meet the ladies... take care of any fees then, and walk back into the club with them. "Hey guys... I found these two sitting alone at the bar..."

Personally, if I were one of the girls, I would want another 3rd lady that isn't drinking or partying to be in my car outside just waiting. So that after me and my friend jump into your party bus, and go to wherever this mansion is- 1. Someone knows where I am and can still function as my security and 2. I don't need to go pick up my car in the AM 3. No drunk driving.

Screening and information is going to be the tough issue, but I am sure there are plenty of ways to work this out.

Just ideas off the top of my head. I am sure you will find what you are looking for, there are plenty of girls that like to go out and have a good time.

Tiffani Jameson · 08-06-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowkey4me

Hey Tiff, Good thing you are up.. Thanks for the very timely response...

Always welcome, darling...

OK,
Mixing pros and civilians: Well, if you are going to several different clubs the likelihood of us picking up civilians is pretty likely. As stated before we always pick up civilians... They usually bat about .500 so I wanted to better the odds with some pros. I do understand your concerns but hiring a professional was the same reason we hired a personal chef and a DJ.. Yea, we could have just anyone but you search for a professional to do just that.

Perfectly understood...

As far as price: I never said I was looking for a "cheap" professionals. I stated that the main objective of the weekend was NOT the professional but to have a good time. I wanted a reasonable rate due to all the accommodations that the pro will have at their leisure and wanted to get realistic rates.

Darling, you were the one that mentioned a budget, and how important money is. See your point number 4. Just bringing up the entire budget for the trip implied that you were not trying to go over a certain price point since you had other amenities that you were going to provide. Had you not had a lady budget, you would have mentioned the number of ladies you were looking to add on, and not mentioned that their cost would have to be split among a 6k budget.

As far as the guy no one wants

: Lmao I have nothing to say about that… There are 2 that have been married for over 15 years and the whole approaching women at clubs makes them uncomfortable.

So approach them separately about having some set-aside arm candy that will be on them from the gate. You must forgive my tone. I'm one of those people you have to hear me to understand the intent of my words. I know it was an over generalization, because I know "that guy" will be different from situation to situation.

As far as them putting on the big boy pants... ALL of them live out of state, ALL have SO, and most if not all will waste their time in trying to find a provider here in Dallas. The job of the host is to provide everything... When they step off the plane at DFW I am supposed to have everything taken care of.

I understand they live in different areas, but you do a little legwork for them. They provide a list of attributes, and seek these ladies out amongst those interested.

I completely understand no one is going to look after you like you will. The reason I mentioned AA is to make sure if there were some interested Caucasian providers they would be informed. Some providers aren't comfortable with AAs I wanted to make sure that information is out there

I noticed....
As far as the set up

... The fellas are not even aware of rates or anything like that. If ANY provider wanted to know any and all the information of all the clients that would be provided (work contacts etc) Most of my friends are not hobbyist as other states arent as active as Texas. But if my pinky promise of we are not cops won't do I'm sure we can come to some type agreement that will make all the providers/pros comfortable.

I'm pretty sure....
If I was to hire 1 floater for the man down

: I'm not bragging but most of the guys in my group are business professionals and business owners and some are making well
over 100K/yr... With that being said the "Fuck these hoes" situations if you went through I am sorry to hear that. That never crossed my mind because I didn't think grown men acted like that, lmao... I wouldn’t know but probable when you deal with a younger college you early crowd that could be possible so I'm not saying that couldn’t happen. So even if my boy George (owner of Nu Style Customs) came down here and stated "Hoes aint shit" while in the mansion belligerently drunk stumbling over furniture in a million dollar rented mansion.... NO ONE WILL BE OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING... If anything I'd kick his ass before the girl would have to worry about anything

Darling, I PLAN get-togethers like this for wealthy men. Money doesn't usually have a correlation with a man's self esteem or decorum with ladies. Wealthy men are BY FAR the most insecure. I'm 35, and I haven't dealt with a college crowd since I was in college. I have heard that statement roughly every time non-pro women were involved from all races and ages of men. And it was never directed towards me. I'm usually the one who's consoling him on the terrace while his boys all have women (plural) in the rooms, and he's left to his vices finishing off the booze. The one thing about certain women, if they're not physically attracted to a man, or there's no possibility of getting into his pockets, they don't give up the cookie.

Things go better when professional women are involved. There's no sense of ownership/loyalty to any one guy or girl, no one's left out, and things get interesting. Knowing that no one is obligated to do anything is probably raising a few eyebrows at this point.

So to answer your question, in our group the “man down” is the guy that has been out of the game for over a decade and picking up a young girl in a club is probably the last attribute he has used in the past 10+ years

I understand completely.

Tiff, I really do appreciate your feedback so I don't want you to think I am responding as a smart ass.. I'm just sorry because I really didn't think yall would be dealing with the senseless shit you do. much respect to your profession and much respect to you... I hope I somewhat answered your questions and I hope I answer anyone else.. I'm hoping you use this information to be able to give providers so they won't be concerned about irrelevant things I can answer early..

I don't think you're being a smartass. This is the dialogue and kickback you need in order to get the responses you want. I'm making you address every doubt a woman may have to responding.

And I don't deal with senseless shit. I'm a businesswoman on several platforms, so I have learned to minimize senselessness in my life.

Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Ze~

I had an issue with all the time you want to take away from a lady. Hanging out at a few different clubs and then being on the clock later kinda sucks. At least for me cause I am not a party girl.

If you want to minimize cost, you have to minimize the time you are taking from a lady/ladies.

You could just go about your night like everything is normal, then have a couple of girls on call before you get to your last club of the night. If you have seen that there are two guys in your group that have just been striking out, now is when you call in your pinch hitters.

Get your guys situated at the tables, and you wander back outside to meet the ladies... take care of any fees then, and walk back into the club with them. "Hey guys... I found these two sitting alone at the bar..."

Personally, if I were one of the girls, I would want another 3rd lady that isn't drinking or partying to be in my car outside just waiting. So that after me and my friend jump into your party bus, and go to wherever this mansion is- 1. Someone knows where I am and can still function as my security and 2. I don't need to go pick up my car in the AM 3. No drunk driving.

Screening and information is going to be the tough issue, but I am sure there are plenty of ways to work this out.

Just ideas off the top of my head. I am sure you will find what you are looking for, there are plenty of girls that like to go out and have a good time.

Wow, That is an awesome idea. Thanks very much Ze. That is why you ladies only have 1 head... When it comes to the topic of sex for some reason us fellaz tend to shut off our bigger head in the thought process. To piggy back on your idea I could just have them meet us at the house. As stated prior I do believe in everyones safety so even if you wanted your secruity to come with you inside the house is even completely fine. An informal off limits would be addressed to the fellaz and he or she could sit there and enjoy the amenaties as activites are going on... Do you think that would make you or anyone participating feel more comfortable about the situation.. Thanks again and please keep the ideas rollng

Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I don't think you're being a smartass. This is the dialogue and kickback you need in order to get the responses you want. I'm making you address every doubt a woman may have to responding.

And I don't deal with senseless shit. I'm a businesswoman on several platforms, so I have learned to minimize senselessness in my life.

Spoken like a true professional! Wow although you guys are pros not all are professional. After spending some time in the hobby you can tell the ones that are taking this seriously and I really appreciate the ones that set aside the time to better their craft and business.

As far as a budget you are completely correct I did bring it up but that is showing the inexperince side of party throwing. I was pretty sure some of you women we experinced in throwing something like this. I've never done anything of such so its all new to me. I have a a good idea once I introduce the hobby to a few of them and how it is in Texas a few may be willing to make that move.

When I said "no one is obligated to anything" was taking into the account if someone was to that point of slioppy drunk and came of unapealling to the provider... No offence, but there is no way in hell I would expect a provider show up and leave without doing anything without some type of agreement for a refund. As you aid everyone is different and if someone got to that point where it made his "pro" for the night I would completely understand if she came up to me and said your buddy is out of control. So the NO ONE IS OBLIGATED is just for those unpredictable situtations.

Once again thank you for your time to help me handle my situations and hope if anything continues to coem into mind please bring it up.

Guest022315 · 08-06-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowkey4me

As stated prior I do believe in everyones safety so even if you wanted your secruity to come with you inside the house is even completely fine. An informal off limits would be addressed to the fellaz and he or she could sit there and enjoy the amenaties as activites are going on... Do you think that would make you or anyone participating feel more comfortable about the situation.. Thanks again and please keep the ideas rollng

Are you ok with management aka pimp aka SO aka hubby ?

But you and tiffany do bring up a funny memory i have. It was in vegas at Club XS. We had a vip table and there was another group who had a table. Well one of the fellas from the other table tried to pull a lady. The lady kept walking. He then yelled "fuck you then bitch". After some time I yelled to him " you know you wrong for that " he said I know. We both had a chuckle

Not excusing his behavior but gents who act that way usually it's due to the rejection but deep down they know better

Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 03:31 PM

For me I could care less if it was a pimp or hubby due to the fact that no one will know this but myself and pro/management. Now it would bother me if the girl I took back to my room was but I am the host, LOL. I would just tell the fellas this is her brother or he is a close friend of mine her in DFW.

I fill in a club atmosphere you are automatically competitive by nature and when rejection, men tend to fill the need to get there ego back. At a house party atmosphere its a little more subtle, but I do know whatyou mean.... that's why I'm on here looking for pros so we limit rejection. U will never be able to eliminate it due to the nature that even some pros can't stomach themselves to screw everyone, but if she is a professional she knows what she is there for and will be more likely to sleep with someone knowing the funds will follow. Life is a game. Just gotta learn how to play it.

Tiffani Jameson · 08-06-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowkey4me

For me I could care less if it was a pimp or hubby due to the fact that no one will know this but myself and pro/management. Now it would bother me if the girl I took back to my room was but I am the host, LOL. I would just tell the fellas this is her brother or he is a close friend of mine her in DFW.

I fill in a club atmosphere you are automatically competitive by nature and when rejection, men tend to fill the need to get there ego back. At a house party atmosphere its a little more subtle, but I do know whatyou mean.... that's why I'm on here looking for pros so we limit rejection. U will never be able to eliminate it due to the nature that even some pros can't stomach themselves to screw everyone, but if she is a professional she knows what she is there for and will be more likely to sleep with someone knowing the funds will follow. Life is a game. Just gotta learn how to play it.

Follow?

Them funds need to lead honey....

I like the way Ze suggested handling the anonymity of the situation, and taking care of the ladies sooner than later always help things go well. I think being out with the ladies even for an hour or two will give the chance for chemistry to increase.

And you're actually going to invite the pimp to the party? When pimps teach their girls to do as little as possible, how to pickpocket and cash and dash, when most pimps are not afraid to rob your ass, and you would actually bring them around your friends?! I may be wrong, but that's still not cute.

I can respect the fact that not too many of the type of ladies you're probably looking for are independent, and if you have to go there to expand your possibilities, then do what you must.

And what if you get one of those girls that swears she's independent, and you've got some guy following her and texting her the whole time? That would be a hilarious situation...

Roothead · 08-06-2012, 10:28 PM

the math doesnt work for me..... say flat rate $300/hr @ 4hrs= $1200/girl and say 5 girls that night.... you just blew your budget @ $6200

I am thinking more like $15-20k..... to do it right.....

Tiffani Jameson · 08-06-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Roothead

the math doesnt work for me..... say flat rate $300/hr @ 4hrs= $1200/girl and say 5 girls that night.... you just blew your budget @ $6200

I am thinking more like $15-20k..... to do it right.....

Your math is a bit off too babe. Most 4 hour dates are between 800-1000 (provider math. The more time, the more value).

So for 1-5 ladies, he's looking at a minimum 800-5000...

Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Follow?

Them funds need to lead honey....

I like the way Ze suggested handling the anonymity of the situation, and taking care of the ladies sooner than later always help things go well. I think being out with the ladies even for an hour or two will give the chance for chemistry to increase.

And you're actually going to invite the pimp to the party? When pimps teach their girls to do as little as possible, how to pickpocket and cash and dash, when most pimps are not afraid to rob your ass, and you would actually bring them around your friends?! I may be wrong, but that's still not cute.

I can respect the fact that not too many of the type of ladies you're probably looking for are independent, and if you have to go there to expand your possibilities, then do what you must.

And what if you get one of those girls that swears she's independent, and you've got some guy following her and texting her the whole time? That would be a hilarious situation...

"Money will follow" I can get anything past you Tiff. If you wasnt so damn smart babe, I'd hire you

Ze did have a good concept that can make the whole situation smoother.

She metioned something about brining or having scruity so she can feel safe and I want to make sure everyone feels safe. I've also been around long enough to realize that when most of you say you are "Independent" 30-50% of you are lying

Hey Tiff, what do you think if I had a session with ALL the girls a plan on having at the party prior to so that way I know what they are about and what I am about? I got 6 months until the event so I can get 30 minutes sessionas from all the girls ... I do also know that A LOT of things can change from now until 6 months from now....

Lowkey4me · 08-06-2012, 11:50 PM

Tiff,
Also thank for replying to Roothead.$1,200 for 4 hours... I'm pretty sure this is Dallas... I only know of a few ladies that have ridivulous rates like that, Ones I will never see.. If 1 hour averages between 200-300 then for would be about what Tiff said... You get more hours for more discount... Thanks again

Tiffani Jameson · 08-07-2012, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowkey4me

"Money will follow" I can get anything past you Tiff. If you wasnt so damn smart babe, I'd hire you

Ze did have a good concept that can make the whole situation smoother.

She metioned something about brining or having scruity so she can feel safe and I want to make sure everyone feels safe. I've also been around long enough to realize that when most of you say you are "Independent" 30-50% of you are lying

Hey Tiff, what do you think if I had a session with ALL the girls a plan on having at the party prior to so that way I know what they are about and what I am about? I got 6 months until the event so I can get 30 minutes sessionas from all the girls ... I do also know that A LOT of things can change from now until 6 months from now....

Honey, have yourself a field day...

I know that if I were a guy throwing a party for my wealthiest and best friends, I know who I'd be bringing to the party. (And no, I don't mean me.)