Who was in charge?

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Andrew Bailey, the attorney general of Missouri, has filed a lawsuit calling for the investigation of Joe Biden, his competency, and was actually signing documents for the executive branch. Several death row inmates at Potosi prison were commutated giving the AG standing in the court.

What this means is if there is an investigation and it is found that Biden did.not sign or did know what he signed (all of the orders were signed by auto pen), they can be ruled null and void. That includes pardons (hello Hunter, Dr Fauci, and Adam Schiff), commutations, and executive orders. Who was signing? Jill? Kameltoe? Chuck? Nancy? Hunter? Or like an Agatha Christie novel, they all did it.

Remember, Bailey just won a $24 billion judgment against China for Covid.

[Jacky S]

I was watching Fox News this morning and there is evidence that 98% of all the documents “signed” by Biden were done by the same autopen.

There could be nothing to it. But I bet this will get Pam Bondi’s attention.

[ICU 812]

Perhaps this is why President Trump makes such a public spectical of signing his EOs and with a bold marker.. .then holding it up for the cameras.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

I was watching Fox News this morning and there is evidence that 98% of all the documents “signed” by Biden were done by the same autopen.

There could be nothing to it. But I bet this will get Pam Bondi’s attention.

... It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest IF this
surely turns out to be true. ... ...

#### Salty

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Trump is a showman. That's his style.

Most of Biden's signatures were done by auto pen. The only way to confirm would be to check the records of chief of staff, executive secretary, and Biden himself. Imagine Biden, under oath, testifying to the content to what he signed.

[HDGristle]

I never give much credit or praise to people who sign things without reading them. Doesn't matter which side of the aisle.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

What if he didn't "sign" them. The allegation is at best, he didn't understand what was signed for him, at worst, he never saw it and someone used the auto pen in his place.
Remember the interview Speaker Johnson gave, he asked Biden why banned some oil production and Biden vociferously denied doing it.

[Jacuzzme]

I give Biden the same benefit of forgiveness that I do any old, senile person. He was a grifter his entire career, but anything he’s done in the last decade or so was done by a person incapable of rational thought. It’s like getting pissed off at a baby for spilling his cheerios. There’s someone that deserves anger, but it’s not Biden.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

What if he didn't "sign" them. The allegation is at best, he didn't understand what was signed for him, at worst, he never saw it and someone used the auto pen in his place.
Remember the interview Speaker Johnson gave, he asked Biden why banned some oil production and Biden vociferously denied doing it.

... Which surely begs the question --- WHO was in charge??
Hopefully we will find out.

#### Salty

[Schwarzer Ritter]

I suppose the next question would be DO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE LAW? I think only the sitting president has that authority.

[ICU 812]

The authenticity of a "signed into law" document has never been an issue before the Biden administration.

I recall an early public signing ceremony where Biden can be heard saying something like, "What am I signing now?", and someone (Pelosi?) saying, "Just sign it!".

I remember seeing it live, rebroadcast as a news clip and later on YouTube. Interestingly, a 30 min search just now doesn't turn it up on YouTube.

I know the auto-pen technology has been used for many years for routine things like letters and so on, but this does bring up the important issue of whether or not an executive action as significant as signing an EO
or actual legislation is an authentic action by the president, or a spurious action having no legal authority. An inauthentic signing, done without the president's knowledge or awareness would not, could not be constitutional or have the force of law behind it.

There is a movie titled "Dave" where the president has been incapacitated by a stroke. The inner circle staff bring in a body double who impersonates the president. The chief of staff is seen signing a bill into law while the president is in comatose.

This is just a movie, but I am disturbed to think that something similar may have been going on in the Biden-Harris White House.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest IF this
surely turns out to be true. ... ...

#### Salty

But it's not! Nothing will happen.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

But it's not! Nothing will happen.

I agree.

The entire country knows that Biden was an old, stupid, senile, inept lying corrupt piece of shit. He managed to pardon just about anyone that was in cahoots with him.

The country, except for a few Die Hard Democrats, has probably adopted the attitude of………”To hell with it”.

The only thing that could change is if Pam Bondi can figure out a way to skirt around all of those pardons and decides to go after the entire criminal conspiracy.

[Lucas McCain]

OMG! Biden is certainly fucked now with a bad ass like Andrew Bailey coming after him. He won a $24bln verdict against a country that didn't even bother to defend itself because they didn't give a shit about its merits. Best of luck to Missouri to try to get that $24bln, and yeah, better luck to try to seize their assets to recover what they'll never pay in cash... does that verdict add credibility to Bailey's legal prowess in a 5-year lawsuit when a defendant does not even bother to defend themselves? I think not. LOL

This Biden bullshit is much ado about nothing but for headlines for MAGA simpletons. Nothing to see here.

[ICU 812]

Leaving former President Biden out of the discussion for the moment . . .

What is the legal status of an executive action, be it a routine inter departmental memo or letter of commendation up to something nationally significant such as an Executive Order or approval of pending legislation . . .if the chief executive, the President, has not authorized it through his direct signature or if he has personally authorized an autopen signing?

Is it a legitimate document if the president has no knowledge of it? And I do not specifically mean if the president (whoever it may be at the time) has a memory lapse and does not Reall the legislation, EO, letter or memo. I mean, what is the case if someone just generates the document and has it auto penned.
?Is that a legitimate document? Is it to be considered to be signed into law (if legislation). Is it an actionable EO?

Has this ever been addressed, or has it always been assumed that the president's staff won't try to pull a fast one and go rogue?