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06-03-2022, 09:06 AM
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Imma B 1st to call it: NATO should invade Ukraine to assist Russia and the US should make them do so.
I said it before; Ukraine was essentially F Joe Biden's Corruption Cover-up Waterloo. Now he is single-handedly taking down the EU (NATO) with him. The only way to save them is to give Ukraine to Russia at this point - IMHO. That's the smart play and frankly the only one that works and avoids our destruction and the world at large. So there ya have it.
Even Kissinger pretty much agrees with me. Plus he's a huge boobs fan apparently. Not on that exact solution, but on the consequences to the EU and NATO otherwise, because the Russia-Russia-Russia ain't going quietly into the long dark nigh - thanks Hillary, you really suck
Read the article to understand how the EU has proper-fucked itself by following F Joe Biden in his corruption cover up operation in Ukraine.
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Kissinger Nails It. for Once.
Mike Whitney • June 1, 2022 • 1,500 Words • 254 Comments • Reply
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Do you know why Henry Kissinger’s speech at the World Economic Forum touched-off such a furor?
Kissinger didn’t criticize the way the war in Ukraine is being conducted or the lack of progress on the ground. No. What Kissinger criticized was the policy itself, that’s what triggered the firestorm. He was throwing a bucket of cold water on the people who concocted this loony policy by telling them to their faces that they “got it wrong.”
And, they did get it wrong, because the policy they are currently pursuing is hurting US allies and US interests. That is the metric we use to determine whether a particular policy is stupid or not and, unfortunately, this passes the “stupid test” with flying colors.
Let me explain: Our basic strategy is to “weaken” and “isolate” Russia by severing Russia’s economic ties with Europe and goading them into a long and costly quagmire in Ukraine. That’s the plan.
Now you might think that it sounds pretty reasonable but– according to Kissinger– it’s the wrong plan.
Why?
Because US National Security Strategy identifies China as America’s number one rival (which it certainly is) so, naturally, any policy that makes China stronger, runs counter to US strategic interests.
Got it? So, the question is: Does our proxy-war in Ukraine make China stronger?
And the answer is: Of course, it does. It makes China alot stronger because it forces Russia to strengthen relations with China.
What does that mean in practical terms?
It means that relations between the world’s manufacturing powerhouse (China) and the world’s second biggest producer of hydrocarbons (Russia) just got a helluva alot better because of Washington’s counterproductive war in Ukraine. That’s what it means. It also means that– as relations between the two countries improve– the pace of US imperial decline is going to accelerate as the non-dollar zone expands and bilateral trade gradually replaces the current US-dominated global trade system.
You can see this happening already. The war in Ukraine has triggered a shocking collapse in global trade, major disruptions in critical supplylines, unprecedented food and energy shortages, and the greatest redivision of the world since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Washington has decided to stake its future and the future of the American people on a senseless geopolitical gambit could turn out to be the greatest strategic catastrophe in US history.
Kissinger grasps the gravity of the situation which is why he decided to put in his two-cents. But he wasn’t just critical of the policy, he also offered an ominous warning that has been almost-entirely ignored by the media. Here’s what he said:
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“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante (…) Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself”.
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There it is in black and white, but let’s break it into two parts to get a better sense of what he’s saying:
- The policy is wrong
- The policy must be changed immediately or the damage to the US and its allies will be severe and permanent. (“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months”)
That might sound too apocalyptic for some, but I think Kissinger is on to something here. After all, look at the massive changes the world has already experienced since the conflict began; the disruptions in supplylines, the food and energy shortages, and the rolling-back of the globalization project. Pretty big changes, I’d say, but they’re probably just be the tip of the iceberg. The real pain is still ahead of us.
What is this winter going to look like when home heating bills go through the roof, industries across Europe succumb to the higher energy costs, unemployment soars to Great Depression levels, and rolling blackouts become a regular feature of life in the west? That’s what the future holds for Europe and America if the policy isn’t reversed and a negotiated settlement quickly reached.
Putin has already stated that Russia will not put itself in a position where it is economically dependent on Europe again. Those days are over. Instead, he is redirecting critical energy flows to China, India and beyond. Europe is no longer a priority customer, in fact, they have emerged as a threat to Russia’s survival, which means, Russia will continue to reorient its production eastward.
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06-03-2022, 10:05 AM
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You think our policy towardsUkraine is an accident? Beijing Biden knows who is getting the Big Guy his cut... any US policy in Ukraine is meant to hurt US interests and further those of the ChiComs.
Only a moron who hasn't been paying attention could come to some other conclusion.
Queue the Eccie Libtards:
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06-03-2022, 10:18 AM
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Never underestimate the ability of F Joe Biden to screw things up.
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You think our policy towardsUkraine is an accident? Beijing Biden knows who is getting the Big Guy his cut... any US policy in Ukraine is meant to hurt US interests and further those of the ChiComs....
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Which we can now comfortably call a raging success, except that it has not bitten us in the backside just yet. But F Joe Biden has pretty much handled that himself, pretty much single-handedly.
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...Only a moron who hasn't been paying attention could come to some other conclusion.
Queue the Eccie Libtards:
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Never underestimate the ability of F Joe Biden to screw things up. As to the others mentioned: Ahh, S-Queue 'em
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06-03-2022, 10:20 AM
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You boys need to go back to Russia, where your bot masters are.
Regardless of the circumstances, supporting an unprovoked and devastating war, murdering thousands and displacing millions indicates your utter lack of human decency.
As if nothing else either of you dipshits write does.
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06-03-2022, 10:28 AM
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Sorry, your membership must have gotten lost in the mail
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...Regardless of the circumstances, supporting an unprovoked and devastating war indicates your lack of decency...
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Unprovoked? Minsk Accords ring any bells? Weak and stupid US policy sound familiar? Corruption for years sound good to you?
Your membership offer to the Sons of Ukraine Club expires at midnight.
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06-03-2022, 10:30 AM
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Kissinger and many other have warned for years that expanding NATO would be a provocation of Russia.
So, the question I keep asking is why the west intentionally provoked Russia into invading Ukraine ?
All I can can figure is to make money for the weapons manufacturers and all of those that profit from same.
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06-03-2022, 10:38 AM
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If wishes was fishes
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Kissinger and many other have warned for years that expanding NATO would be a provocation of Russia....
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I wish someone would have warned Germany and the EU about the consequences of being dependent on Russia and the inherent dangers of not ponying up their NATO fair share payments. If only...
Wait a hairy second...
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06-03-2022, 02:05 PM
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AKA ULTRA MAGA Trump Gurl
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Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
Unprovoked? Minsk Accords ring any bells? Weak and stupid US policy sound familiar? Corruption for years sound good to you?
Your membership offer to the Sons of Ukraine Club expires at midnight.
Too bad the mean ol' mail ate it: ![](https://eccie.net/images/profile/57/1fedb4ca167e8c59cfd2ffaa65082b18.jpg)
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allow me to help you understand YR. YR hates America and wants to destroy it to give rise to the USA.
United Socialist America.
so of course he screams like a banshee "SAVE UKRAINE!!" (and destroy America).
you will now be able to respond to YR now that you understand his nefarious goal.
thanks
bahahahahaaaaaa
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06-03-2022, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
You boys need to go back to Russia, where your bot masters are.
Regardless of the circumstances, supporting an unprovoked and devastating war, murdering thousands and displacing millions indicates your utter lack of human decency.
As if nothing else either of you dipshits write does.
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Spoken like a TRUE keyboard warrior.
Joke Byeden has to be the most unaccountable and incompetent president EVER. ![Doh](https://cdn-w.eccie.net/images/smilies/modern/doh.gif) There's a reason he didn't get voted in as president the first 2 times.
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06-03-2022, 03:11 PM
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So an experienced Socialist??
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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
...so of course he screams like a banshee "SAVE UKRAINE!!" (and destroy America).
you will now be able to respond to YR now that you understand his nefarious goal...
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He seems experienced alright....
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Or are you saying he sucks even worse than Hillary??
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I always kinda figured he was just preoccupied...
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06-03-2022, 03:23 PM
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Happy Pride Month boys!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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06-03-2022, 03:51 PM
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Is there a Doctor in da house?
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06-03-2022, 04:29 PM
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AKA ULTRA MAGA Trump Gurl
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Happy Pride Month boys!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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if you say so grand marshal
bahahahahaaaaa
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06-03-2022, 05:13 PM
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Yeppers. He did do that. Germany didn't like that as they were getting a hella of a deal from the stupid Americans. They loved it until Trump came along.
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I wish someone would have warned Germany and the EU about the consequences of being dependent on Russia and the inherent dangers of not ponying up their NATO fair share payments. If only...
Wait a hairy second...
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06-03-2022, 05:14 PM
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Nick nick.
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