So what charge is Officer Chauvin going to face and what will be the verdict?

[gnadfly]

I'm especially interested in WTF's opinion. I'll even not ignore him in this thread.

Officer Chauvin is the person who continued to step on George Floyd's neck even after he was dead. I believe Chauvin is currently charged with 2nd degree murder and "they" are trying to get the charges reduced to 3rd degree.

I'm even reading "they" are trying to get the charges modified depending on how the trial proceeds. Can that be done?

My prediction is riots before, during and after the trial.

People on this jury are going to have a helluva time with a "fair trial". Expect riots, visits to their home, intimidation to them and their family if not outright retribution. Police cannot protect them either. Their presence would just inflame (literally) the situation.

[Jacuzzme]

Fentanyl, meth, morphine, weed, with a smattering of coronavirus thrown in for good measure.

Get the popcorn ready for the imminent acquittal, and the ‘peaceful protestors’ looting and burning shit to the ground. Fauci should testify since this was obviously a covid death.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Officer Chauvin is the person who continued to step on George Floyd's neck even after he was dead.

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I was/am appalled by chavin's actions while george floyd repeatedly claimed to not be able to breath, he appealed for help, calling out to his very mother

it is very disturbing to watch

yet at the same time, i've watched the event, and it always appeared to me that chauvin's knee was up high on his back, but never his neck

I am of the opinion that while floyd's death was not directly due to chauvin, chauvin did not act when he should or could have, even if any action would have been completely futile,

and there is an omission of due care and duty, not sure about legal duty, but at least there was a great omission on a humanitarian level

but I do understand that in all likelihood, even if Chauvin had timely acted, he might every well still be in the dock, just as he is now, for anything between the police and blacks is fearfully political and seized upon and mischaracterized for liars' ends

after the legal explorations in court and depending on the written law I would think that a manslaughter conviction or something else appropriate be done for "you should have done something and didn't"

[winn dixie]

I hope he goes free. No reason to resist arrest! Accidents can happen.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

I was/am appalled by chavin's actions while george floyd repeatedly claimed to not be able to breath, he appealed for help, calling out to his very mother

it is very disturbing to watch

yet at the same time, i've watched the event, and it always appeared to me that chauvin's knee was up high on his back, but never his neck

I am of the opinion that while floyd's death was not directly due to chauvin, chauvin did not act when he should or could have, even if any action would have been completely futile,

and there is an omission of due care and duty, not sure about legal duty, but at least there was a great omission on a humanitarian level

but I do understand that in all likelihood, even if Chauvin had timely acted, he might every well still be in the dock, just as he is now, for anything between the police and blacks is fearfully political and seized upon and mischaracterized for liars' ends

after the legal explorations in court and depending on the written law I would think that a manslaughter conviction or something else appropriate for "you should have done something and didn't"

I agree but I don't know what that would fairly translate to in legal terms. I brought this up once before and caught hell for it and was told "that isn't the way criminal law works", to which I said "it would if I was on the jury", that there is some degree of culpability on Floyd's part. In other words, he "contributed" to his death. To me that throws out murder of any degree. It was said that with all the drugs in his body at the time, especially Fentanyal, he could just as easily have died with no interaction by the police or anybody else. If he had been home and dropped dead, it would have been "expected".



Maybe a lesser manslaughter or "acting with disregard or indifference" if that is even a degree of homicide which I'm not even sure this can be characterized as such.


I heard something new the other night that I had not heard before. What Chauvin did, use his arm, leg or knee to the back of a suspect's neck, was not prohibited by his departmental rules at the time.


Of course that rule has probably since been changed but you can not fairly charge him for something not illegal at the time he did it.


I'm also hearing reports that Minn. has turned into another "Chop zone" like we saw in Seattle and "no White people" are being allowed around the area of Floyd's death and there have been injuries and of course, cops will not try and stop any of this for fear of making it worse.


What I find very surprising is that when I Google anything about what is going on in Minn. right now, I find nothing, not a single article in 2021, nothing.


You know damn well there are crowds gathering but no internet reporting.


One thing I'm sure of, if the "mob" doesn't like the verdict and burns the city down, BLM and Biden's minions will find a way to justify the violence.

[Jackie S]

The charge should be criminal negligent homicide.

It will be interesting to see how far the Judge will go in allowing the defense to make their case. He has to know the mob is waiting to burn the whole damned town to the ground.

[NBruno]

When do we get around to talking about the 18,000 Homicides in Democratic Cities last year

[Lucas McCain]

He'll take a plea. He can't win if he goes to trial. Any half ass lawyer worth a shit will tell him that. You don't let a jury decide your fate in this current political highly influenced climate considering the racial ramifications and definite backlash if it goes to trial... you don't get the benefit of the doubt when you are recorded kneeling on a man's neck for almost 9 minutes and that person dies. Be smart and take a plea.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

He'll take a plea. He can't win if he goes to trial. Any half ass lawyer worth a shit will tell him that. You don't let a jury decide your fate in this current political highly influenced climate considering the racial ramifications and definite backlash if it goes to trial... you don't get the benefit of the doubt when you are recorded kneeling on a man's neck for almost 9 minutes and that person dies. Be smart and take a plea.

Have they offered a plea?

[Alyssa XOXO]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

I hope he goes free. No reason to resist arrest! Accidents can happen.

Unfortunately that won't happen though. Probation should be punishment enough since he "has to be punished".

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The charge should be criminal negligent homicide.

It will be interesting to see how far the Judge will go in allowing the defense to make their case. He has to know the mob is waiting to burn the whole damned town to the ground.

Maybe that should be on the charge list but apparently isn't but I'm wondering if given the legal definition, it would fit this case.

Criminally negligent homicide occurs when the perpetrator acts in a reckless, dangerous, or negligent manner which causes the death of another person.Apr 16, 2019

So what if the defense presents a picture of a Minn. training officer with his knee on a man's neck and tells the officers he is training, "this is a legal maneuver"? I just saw the picture in a training course.


What if the defense presents the autopsy report and it says that asphyxiation was not the cause of death?


Isn't that pretty much the prosecutions case, that Chauvin used an illegal move that cause Floyd not to be able to breathe and that caused his death?


What if the defense makes a very good, understandable case that the condition Floyd was in is what essentially caused his death?


Now of course none of this makes any difference at all if the jury is to afraid to consider all this and conclude that none of the charges offered fit the case?


Just watched a very good description and explanation of what actually happened that day on Tucker Carlson of course because you won't see the video proof he put on air on any MSM outlet with the exception of NewsMax and any other Conservative media. You sure as hell won't see the footage he just showed on CNN or MSNBC.


It isn't up on his site yet, I hope I can post it tommorrow. This video footage, never before seen on American TV to my knowledge was provided by British TV who aren't quite as sqimish about this case and what it might do to Minn. and the country as a whole.


Did you know that George Floyd was screaming that he couldn't breath long before he was put on the ground with a knee to his neck? Yep, he was saying he couldn't breathe in the backseat of the cop car and get this, asked to be taken from the car and put on the ground. While I'm sure he didn't ask for the knee to the neck but remember, this is how Chauvin was trained to sub-do an agitated, unruly subject.


Do you ever see any video of Floyd being asked if he had taken any drugs, to which he answered no, because one of the other cops can be heard saying "he is foaming at the mouth" and this is at the very beginning of the arrest.


And when the defense puts on an expert that will saying foaming at the mouth and an inability to breathe can be a direct cause of a Fentanyal overdose much less all the other drugs in his system that the expert will say is more than 3 times the amount necessary to kill a grown man with no restraint at all?


The video I hope to be able to post is stunning to say the least. Carlson keeps repeating that Floyd is having a meltdown from the moment the cops ask him to get out of the car. He is beside himself to say the least and every minute that goes by, he gets more and more agitated and we hear somebody believed to be a bystander say "he's going to have a heart attack". That's how worked up he was.


From what I saw, there is a very good chance that Floyd would have died that day if left in the backseat of that cop car where he desperately did not want to be.


If the jury wasn't predisposed to finding him guilty because they don't want the mob coming after them, they might very well find Chauvin not guilty of any murder charge.


According to Carlson and I've independently confirmed this with a Google search, the people who thought Chauvin was guilty of murder was over 60% of Blacks and slightly less for Whites but that number maybe down as low as 35% for Whites now that more information about what happened that day is coming to light.


I wonder if it has to be a unanimous vote to be guilty. If it does, Minn. is in big, big trouble if even one of those jurors has the nerve to consider the evidence and say "you haven't proven 3rd degree murder much less 2nd".


Isn't it ironic that the downtown area of Minn. tonight is ringed with concrete barriers and razor wire and hundreds of National Guardsmen will be called in because they expect a riot, not from the Proud Boys or White Supremacists but by BLM and their many supports in the Democrat Party but as we saw all summer "those riots" are justified according to our new Vice President and probably Joe to if he is told to believe that.

[winn dixie]

cumallah is ready to bail'em out again!

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Have they offered a plea?

They'll offer a plea if it hasn't been done already. I'm sure no prosecutor wants to even touch this case and whomever is assigned will seek a quick resolution. This isn't a win or lose case. Everyone on either side will lose regardless of the final outcome.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

He'll take a plea. He can't win if he goes to trial. Any half ass lawyer worth a shit will tell him that. You don't let a jury decide your fate in this current political highly influenced climate considering the racial ramifications and definite backlash if it goes to trial... you don't get the benefit of the doubt when you are recorded kneeling on a man's neck for almost 9 minutes and that person dies. Be smart and take a plea.

Good point. However, plead to what and for how long?
Cops supposedly don't do well in the joint.

BTW, there's going to be backlash no matter what.

[GastonGlock]

The charges they want are too aggressive, he'll walk. Just because you WANT someone tried for murder, doesn't mean they met all the conditions that qualifies.