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Old 10-03-2020, 10:56 AM   #1
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Democrats would destroy Supreme Court with scheme to pack justices

Subtlety has long been a stranger to our politics. This is the age of rage, and there is little room for nuance. That is evident in the intense debate over the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Democrats have dispensed with any pretense in their calls to block Barrett and "pack" the court. What they want is a new reliable court created through litmus-test confirmations where Senate votes are conditioned on judicial pledges.
© Getty Images Democrats would destroy Supreme Court with scheme to pack justices Various Democratic senators have said they will demand that Barrett answer questions on her view of any challenge to Roe versus Wade, as well as cases like the pending challenge to the Affordable Care Act. Barrett faced such demands from Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and others during her confirmation as an appellate judge, and many Democrats voted against her because she wouldn't promise to uphold Roe. In their presidential campaigns, Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pledged to appoint only justices who would uphold Roe.

Hillary Clinton lashed out at Barrett and other nominees of President Trump for failing to support particular cases. She expressed disgust that "a number of them would not even say they agreed with Brown versus Board of Education or with other precedents. And it is not just a question of choice. It's a question of whether we're going to continue the move toward progress."
Judicial nominees have long insisted, as a rule, that it is unethical to comment on cases or issues that might come before them. That practice is known as the Ginsburg rule, for the very justice who Clinton praised as a model. The late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg believed it was wrong to demand assurances on how judges will vote, including on the validity of a case like Roe. In her 1993 confirmation hearing, she refused to give the very answer that Clinton, Blumenthal, Sanders, Gillibrand and others now demand from her potential replacement.
Indeed, in calling to protect Ginsburg's legacy, these politicians must first pull down the Ginsburg rule. They demand that Barrett and other nominees commit to supporting cases while pushing them to reverse other cases, like Citizens United versus Federal Election Commission on campaign finances.
I have criticized the Ginsburg rule, which is used by nominees to refuse giving more than indecipherable statements on judicial philosophy. It has reduced confirmation hearings to formulaic, contentless exercises with uncommunicative nominees and bloviating senators. Nominees should be expected to discuss their judicial philosophies and the basis for individual rights, without demanding to hear their positions on pending cases like the ACA challenge.
What today's politicians are advocating, however, is a direct litmus test. Not only will they vote against a nominee who opposes a particular case but they will do so for a nominee who does not expressly support a case. The calls for a litmus test are not just confined to the United States Supreme Court: State Sen. Dan Feltes (D-N.H.), a gubernatorial candidate, has declared he will appoint only state court jurists who pledge to vote in favor of abortion rights.
Even if a nominee like Barrett has a deep-seated, good-faith foundation in the law, it is her expected vote - not her explained views - that will matter. Such conditional voting was rejected long before the Ginsburg rule. Presidents since Ronald Reagan have pledged not to apply litmus tests, and past Senates - under both Republican and Democratic control - have maintained it is improper to demand an assurance on particular cases or claims. Indeed, many current senators supported Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor in refusing to discuss their views on abortion.
Once senators start demanding commitments on cases like Roe, other groups will demand similar litmus tests for cases like Obergefell versus Hodges, supporting same-sex marriage, or cases supporting environmental, disability or other rights. Conversely, while senators often speak of preserving such precedents, they have pressed nominees to commit to reversing cases like Citizens United. If forced to give such assurances in Senate hearings, justices could face later allegations of perjury if they changed their minds or voted differently on the court. Moreover, nominations would become a series of venal pledges of positions on the court to secure votes in the Senate.
For the court-packing scheme proposed by vice presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and others to work, there must be some form of litmus test. Democrats have pledged to add six new justices to guarantee a court that will vote to uphold or overturn cases as expected. Absent such guarantees, court-packing is a futile exercise; the whole point is to force outcomes like voting to uphold Roe. This court-packing rationalization has reached truly Orwellian levels, with former White House counsel John Dean insisting that, by manufacturing a new ideological court majority, Democrats would "depoliticize" it.
Litmus-testing and court-packing would "honor" Ginsburg by destroying the court she loved. It would obliterate an institution that has preserved this country's stability and continuity. The court has performed this vital role based on its legitimacy and authority with Americans - a legitimacy that will evaporate if Democrats impose litmus tests or pack the court.
Former Vice President Joe Biden has been asked repeatedly whether he supports court-packing calls and has repeatedly refused to answer, despite previously denouncing such plans. In Tuesday's debate, when moderator Chris Wallace pressed the question, Biden again refused to answer and gave a puzzling response: "Whatever position I take on that, that'll become the issue. The issue is the American people should speak." Many Americans would not vote for a candidate who considers - let alone supports - a court-packing scheme. Yet, Biden refuses to give his position on a major issue that was raised by his running mate and other leading Democrats.
Ginsburg articulated her rule on not answering questions about specific cases or interpretations because she rejected litmus tests as unethical pledges. At the time, Democrats like Alabama's Sen. Howell Heflin praised her position. Now, to "honor" her, Democrats propose packing the court and demanding assurances from nominees on cases like Roe, two positions Ginsburg staunchly opposed. What is left is not principle but raw power - and both the court and the country will be the worse for it.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.

usual hypocrisy of 'teh' racist, marxist DPST's.


Article speaks for itself
DPST's are out to destroy the Constitution and take over a country indoctrinated by their LSM propaganda in a marxist totalitarian state.

Destroying 'teh' SC is a necssary step in their plans.
If they get 'teh' Senate and POTUS - it may well be the end of representative democracy
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Old 10-03-2020, 11:19 AM   #2
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Dems want , green deal, socialized med, abortion on demand , open borders, abolishing electoral college, packing the court there way, and ending FREE SPEACH.

That's if anyone has been listening , Again the only document that's stopping them is that pain in the ass CONTSITUTION

Cant wait for the DPST predictably irrational responses
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Old 10-03-2020, 11:31 AM   #3
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A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ATX

“Article” is an opinion by a like minded Trump sucker. And seconded by a false positive.

The Hill is fake news by Trump, for Trump.

Fascists for Freeze Peach
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“Article” is an opinion by a like minded Trump sucker...
Is there ANY reasonable case to be made for packing the court? If so, why don't you dazzle us with your keen analysis, assup?

FDR tried it. How'd that work out for ya?

Do you want to piss on the memory of RBG? Shame on you!


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Old 10-03-2020, 12:18 PM   #5
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They would destroy the Supreme Court

But don’t worry

an interim step, just an interim step

as they say amongst themselves, all in due time my dearie, all in due time
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Old 10-03-2020, 12:37 PM   #6
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The sad funny part is the progressive dim-wit s think THIS TIME don't worry we got it even after 50-70 years of failures

And course a matter of responses , FAKE fake fake funny how the truth gets that response
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We need term limits on the Justices. Because this Court back-and-forth has been going on since 1987. The system is flawed, and nothing short of rule changes will improve the process.
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We need term limits on the Justices. Because this Court back-and-forth has been going on since 1987. The system is flawed, and nothing short of rule changes will improve the process.
Hahahaha!

Gee, I wonder what happened back in 1987? Oh wait - isn't that the year when dim-retards started using the word "bork" as a verb?

Gotta love the way you sneaky disingenuous asshats 1) muck up the system that served us well for 200 years, and then 2) pronounce it "flawed" and in need of "rule changes" that you think will benefit you!

Here's a brief primer in how we got to this point, chungy... read it and LEARN!!


https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.a...r-own-fault%2F


P.S. It's from WaPo. Munchy insists everything in his fave libtard rag is FACT (even guest opinions)!!

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I know how we got here. I posted a long account myself, weeks ago. Bork was payback for the Republicans turning Newt Gingrich into their attack dog on Jim Wright. The current battle is Merrick Garland tit for tat.

You dislike Democrats, and will slant your posts against them. I objectively state facts.
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No, your "account" was neither long nor objective nor exhaustive.

I fixed the WaPo link for you. Now read it and tell us where Marc Thiessen got his facts wrong. If you can.
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No, your "account" was neither long nor objective nor exhaustive.

I fixed the WaPo link for you. Now read it and tell us where Marc Thiessen got his facts wrong.
He didn't get anything wrong. His account is not nearly as thorough as mine. He starts his thesis at 2004. 17 years after mine.

What about it? It has been a political battle for 33 years. You act like you have something revalatory.
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1987 is when the dim-retards started to destroy centuries of comity and cooperation surrounding most SCOTUS appointments. 2004 is when they extended this war to the entire federal judiciary and started undermining the rules and traditions of the Senate. 2013 is when they invoked the nuclear option.

Notice how the Republicans didn't force any of this race to the bottom. They just reacted to every short-sighted dim-retard move. Now, once again, the dim-retards are bitching about the consequences of their own irresponsible actions.

If you think Thiessen got everything right, then you already know all this. Thiessen points out exactly how every dim-retard move has backfired on them. It's called over-reaching. And an attempt to stack the SCOTUS would be the ultimate misguided over-reach. A nice way to cap off a long proven string of historical failures. Dim-retards never learn!!
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Yup. 1987 is it. The Republicans attacked Speaker Wright for exposing and prosecuting Iran-Contra, and the Dems retaliated against Bork. inter-personal party relations have spiraled downward ever since.
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Yup. 1987 is it. The Republicans attacked Speaker Wright for exposing and prosecuting Iran-Contra, and the Dems retaliated against Bork.
Bullshit! Dumbest attempt at historical revisionism I ever heard of. The two weren't linked. You're just trying to link them to blame Republicans for supposedly starting this downward spiral. There were going to be Iran-Contra hearings no matter what. Of course the Reagan administration tried to defend their actions as best as they could.

The dim-retards attacked and torpedoed Bork because he was an extremely articulate conservative with a razor sharp legal mind. They hated his judicial views and would have blocked him period. To blame it all on the investigation of a totally unrelated foreign policy blunder (one for which Reagan apologized to the nation) is the dumbest, most absurd after-the-fact "justifications" I've ever read.
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Bullshit! Dumbest attempt at historical revisionism I ever heard of. The two weren't linked. You're just trying to link them to blame Republicans for supposedly starting the downward spiral. There were going to be Iran-Contra hearings in any event, and of course the Reagan administration tried to defend their actions as best as they could.

The dim-retards attacked and torpedoed Bork because he was an extremely articulate conservative with a razor sharp mind. They hated his judicial views and would have blocked him regardless of Iran-Contra. That's the dumbest, most absurd after-the-fact "justification" I've ever read.
You don't read anything more erudite than ''Hickory Dickory Dock''. you won't admit the Republicans have anything to do with strained relations. You are a partisan HACK.
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