trump on offensive? Something like that.

[Munchmasterman]

It's just like trump said. He's fucked.

Trump and Republicans ‘on offense’? Nah. It’s just the same old gaslighting.

Have we really learned nothing from the first two years of the Trump presidency?

Welcome to the new narrative: President Trump and Republicans are “turning the tables” and going “on offense” against Democrats and the media, who, we are told, should be groveling for forgiveness in the wake of Attorney General William P. Barr’s brief summary of the special counsel’s Russiagate conclusions.

Unfortunately, there are scattered signs that some in those quarters are taking this far too seriously. We’re seeing news accounts suggesting media coverage of the Russia scandal may have overreached; columnists demanding introspection from journalistic colleagues; and analyses that overestimate the degree to which Trump can now claim victory over Democrats. Some accounts hint at angst among Democrats about how aggressive an investigative posture to strike going forward.
It’s amazing this needs to be stated, but here goes. This “new offensive” from Trump and Republicans is saturated with nonsense from top to bottom, and it is designed to get the media to back off of its entirely legitimate scrutiny of Trump, and to get Democrats to retreat from their entirely legitimate efforts to impose oversight and accountability.

Trump has spent the past two years screaming “WITCH HUNT!” and “FAKE NEWS!,” even as he and his congressional allies have absurdly cast the investigations as corrupt based on one fake “scandal” after another. Throughout all this, what’s actually happened is that one revelation after another has emerged detailing startling criminality among those in Trump’s inner circle and extraordinary corruption and abuses of power by Trump himself.
It is certainly very significant that the attorney general has declared that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has not established any criminal conspiracy with Russia. This does end one chapter in this scandal.

But come on: Much of the current discussion and journalistic handwringing has the effect of badly downplaying the significance of what has emerged in the past two years, and the potential for more damaging information to emerge. And it doesn’t adequately reckon with the rot of bad faith at the core of what’s driving this new “turn the tables” offensive — an effort to chill continued efforts to unearth that information, through legitimate scrutiny and oversight. We know this, because we’ve seen it for two years.

The media mostly got this story right

“The Mainstream Media is under fire,” Trump raged moments ago. “For two years they pushed the Russian Collusion Delusion,” he continued, adding that the media is “corrupt and FAKE.” The White House press secretary is circulating a chart featuring high-profile media figures and describing them as “haters.” Russiagate skeptics on all sides are treating this as a severe blow to the news media’s reputation
This is ridiculous. Dogged media scrutiny has unearthed a range of extraordinary revelations. Media reporting is what disclosed Trump’s campaign advisers’ active efforts to conspire with Russian sabotage of our democracy, his extensive efforts to bend law enforcement to his political will to prevent an accounting of that sabotage, his habit of concealing the details of his private conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and the original hush money payments that ultimately led to Trump being implicated in campaign finance crimes. Beyond Russia, it also established extensive self-dealing and profiteering off the presidency.

Of course there have been many “Trump is a Russian asset!” and “Manchurian candidate!” excesses by some media figures. But on balance, the decision to devote intense scrutiny and journalistic resources to the multiple Russia-related stories, and to Trump’s corrupt responses to them, has actually been vindicated by the sheer gravity of all that has already been unearthed.
We can debate endlessly whether the excesses detract to some degree from these journalistic achievements. But to claim that the excesses are somehow defining is really just another way to downplay the seriousness of what those achievements have actually brought into the light of day. Which for Trump and his propagandists is the whole point of this in the first place (what is motivating others making this claim is harder to say). On balance, the media got this far more right than wrong.
The value of all that reporting — including what it has told us about Trump’s dealings with Russia — is in no way diminished by the fact that no criminal conspiracy has been established. And right now, the media is responding to the Barr letter with skeptical scrutiny of his decision-making, particularly in clearing Trump on obstruction of justice when Mueller pointedly did not. Given the legitimate questions raised by this decision, this is exactly what should happen.

Democrats don’t need to back off

The Trump machine’s new “offensive” against Democrats is similarly absurd. Overreach on Russia is just not the big story of the past two years. While in the House minority, Democrats were mostly fighting a rearguard action against the GOP’s perversion and weaponizing of the oversight process to protect Trump from accountability and to harass a legitimate investigation into not just “collusion” but also into a foreign attack on our democracy.
That investigation led to extensive indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, and it has set in motion many more investigations into “nearly every organization Trump has run over the past decade,” whose future revelations remain unknown. To claim that Democratic efforts to protect this process constituted overreach, on the basis of the lack of criminal conspiracy charges, is just another way of using that latter fact to denigrate the seriousness of the extensive wrongdoing and criminality that this process has already ferreted out. Which, again, is the whole point.

Now that House Democrats are in the majority, they are demanding documents relating to potential Trump financial conflicts of interest, efforts at obstruction of justice, gaming of the security clearance process, and the dimensions of the hush money scheme and extent of financial dealings with Russia concealed during the campaign. It would be a dereliction of responsibility for Democrats to not be pursuing those things. And on Russia, given how little we know about Mueller’s actual findings and about what went into Barr’s decision-making, Democrats absolutely should be pressing for release of the former and intensifying scrutiny of the latter.
The whole point of the current offensive is to get Democrats to back down on all those fronts. That Trump and his allies claim themselves emboldened to do this by Mueller’s findings, while attacking Democratic efforts to get those findings released, perversely captures the true nature of the gaslighting we’re seeing here. But if anything, this should embolden Democrats to keep pushing forward."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.d9c28c2262b0

[lustylad]

Every jackass journalist who participated in foisting the mainstream media's Collusion Delusion on the American public over the past 2 years should be forced to wear sackcloth while being be locked up in a stockade in the public square and subjected to ridicule 24/7 until further notice!

Let's start with Jonathan Chiat, Joe Scarborough and Wretching Madcow! The entire "profession" of journalism has been disgraced!

[Munchmasterman]

Maybe in your version of "trump land".

Not now, not ever in America.

Originally Posted by lustylad

Every jackass journalist who participated in foisting the mainstream media's Collusion Delusion on the American public over the past 2 years should be forced to wear sackcloth while being be locked up in a stockade in the public square and subjected to public ridicule 24/7 until further notice!

Let's start with Jonathan Chiat! The entire profession of journalism has been disgraced!

[bb1961]

It took the OP a small essay...to say nothing!!
Quoting the WaPo...EXCELLENT.

[lustylad]

History will not look kindly on your version, munchy. It will record this episode as a textbook case of mass hysteria fanned by irresponsible liberal media groupthink unseen since the days of Joe McCarthy.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

.... unseen since the days of Joe McCarthy.

Was McCarthy's episode created by a bunch of sleazy, slime-balls, who lied to Federal Judges to spy on the opposite Party, and fabricated "secrets" they were unable to disclose in order to unseat and marginalize a duly elected President?

It is at least academically informative that the SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers would resort to the use of lying, deceiving law enforcement personnel to remove a duly elected President of the United States and in the process of attempting to do so would effectively disrupt the orderly processes initiated by that same duly elected President that he utilized based on decades of historical actions by past Administrations ... most importantly by the husband of the candidate the President had lawfully defeated in his historical election upset.

Those who continue the false dialogue that has consumed the media and ignorant citizens of this country in a conspiracy to disrupt the continuation of the progress that has been made and is being made to rebuilt that which they destroyed with their lameass socialistic policies should be ignored and intellectually kicked to the curb, if not actually.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by bb1961

It took the OP a small essay...to say nothing!!
Quoting the WaPo...EXCELLENT.

Munchy's favorite lib-retard rag publication WaPo is throwing a hissy fit because they know they've lost control of the national narrative.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Munchy's favorite lib-retard rag publication WaPo .....

... both should be put on ignore.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Maybe in your version of "trump land".

Not now, not ever in America.

I think we can start with the FISA warrants, which were obtained upon false sworn statements, and go from there.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is where that leads.

I think the rights of the accused and the presumption of innocence are some of the most sacred elements of our soul in America. It's who we are.

Don't get too mad...

[Munchmasterman]

That's why you hate the links.
I'll continue to post links to the info I use. You continue to flap your gums.
You throw accusations and your verdicts at a multitude of people while ignoring a proven scumbag you idolize. I'm glad I don't have to live in the world you and the base do. The only thing that kept trump from facing his deeds was his own people ignoring him. Because in many instances, he forgot what he told them to do. I can't believe we even have to talk about this....I take that back. You were the guy saying the morons were saying "spying" instead of "surveillance" in that thread about CNN because "spying" was easier to say. You shot your side in the foot....again. You know what I mean.
I can give you a link if you want.
You'll get your chance to vote in 2020. If you aren't in jail.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Was McCarthy's episode created by a bunch of sleazy, slime-balls, who lied to Federal Judges to spy on the opposite Party, and fabricated "secrets" they were unable to disclose in order to unseat and marginalize a duly elected President?

It is at least academically informative that the SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers would resort to the use of lying, deceiving law enforcement personnel to remove a duly elected President of the United States and in the process of attempting to do so would effectively disrupt the orderly processes initiated by that same duly elected President that he utilized based on decades of historical actions by past Administrations ... most importantly by the husband of the candidate the President had lawfully defeated in his historical election upset.

Those who continue the false dialogue that has consumed the media and ignorant citizens of this country in a conspiracy to disrupt the continuation of the progress that has been made and is being made to rebuilt that which they destroyed with their lameass socialistic policies should be ignored and intellectually kicked to the curb, if not actually.

[Munchmasterman]

How about we start with some proof?

Nothing has been overturned. Nobody has been indicted for any of your "facts".
You making your claims a thousand times doesn't change the fact none of your story has been proven.

Why don't we stick with the facts?

Why would I get mad? You are easy to prove wrong.

Originally Posted by friendly fred

I think we can start with the FISA warrants, which were obtained upon false sworn statements, and go from there.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is where that leads.

I think the rights of the accused and the presumption of innocence are some of the most sacred elements of our soul in America. It's who we are.

Don't get too mad...

[Munchmasterman]

Then do it and stop gum flapping.

Now I'll need counseling because you put me on ignore. Not that!!!
Anything but that!
And the WaPo!! Oh my God!!

Besides, you only get a few monthly views before they put YOU on ignore!

Now that's ironic.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

... both should be put on ignore.

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

How about we start with some proof?

Nothing has been overturned. Nobody has been indicted for any of your "facts".
You making your claims a thousand times doesn't change the fact none of your story has been proven.

Why don't we stick with the facts?

Why would I get mad? You are easy to prove wrong.

No indictments in the Mulehead investigation...THINK AGAIN!!
What were you saying...easy to prove wrong...
Sometime "FACTS" suck for you!!
P.S. I would never put you on ignore...you're to easy to debuke!!
https://www.jurist.org/news/2019/04/...-with-ukraine/

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

You were the guy saying the morons were saying "spying" instead of "surveillance" in that thread about CNN because "spying" was easier to say. You shot your side in the foot....again. You know what I mean.

Is this like...
Undocumented migrants...ILLEGAL ALIENS
Reproductive right...ABORTION
Pro choice...PRO ABORTION
Progressive...LIBERALS
Voters right...VOTER FRAUD
Sanctuary cites...ILLEGAL ALIEN SAFE ZONES
Surveillance...SPYING
It's called LIBERAL CODE DECIPHERING!!
Got ya Munchy!!

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by bb1961

It took the OP a small essay...to say nothing!!
Quoting the WaPo...EXCELLENT.

It's a typical WAPO article to throw shit against the wall and plant skepticism against Trump and Company going after the Dems.

Part of it as is expected is used to justify the Dems need to continue to find anything on Trump. I wish them luck.

And the other part is to downplay the Mueller report findings that potentially incriminate their side and should get investigation. I with the Republicans luck with that.

In one breath they want to investigate everything Trump, in the next, nothing to see here when the Republicans want to investigate the other side. As I said, the usual WAPO hypocritical opinion piece tossed out to their lefty lemmings.