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catnipdipper · 07-08-2011, 12:17 PM

to put condoms on cucumbers.

Kansans For Life said as she threatened the Johnson Country Commisioners with voter retaliation if they accepted Federal Funds to help control venereal disease and foster birth control.

She did let them accept some money for the pre 13 set to learn abstinence but not the post 13 set when the condom was shown on the cucumber.

Now this shit is not funny to me anymore than the other stupid ship the conservatives are doing to this state.

COG what about this one Mr Liberty?

6ULDV8 · 07-08-2011, 03:03 PM

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Now this shit is not funny to me anymore than the other stupid ship the conservatives are doing to this state.

I stopped thinking they were funny along time ago. I see them as a serious threat to democracy, determined to enforce their mind set on everyone. Only difference between a radical islamic and a radical christian is the first amendment, without it, it would be hard to tell them apart.

CuteOldGuy · 07-08-2011, 03:47 PM

LOL, Catnip. Is that a challenge? You should know my opinion on that. I fully support the program, but there is no justification in the Constitution that provides for federal funds to support it. This is a local matter. If the federal government stayed within its constitutional boundaries, the states would have the means to implement and support much more effective programs along this line.

However, given how the situation is now, if voters want to "retaliate" against something they disagree with, isn't that how democracy is supposed to work? I wouldn't vote the way they want me to, but they have the right to vote how they want on any criteria they want. If you don't like it, get more people to vote on your side, and they will lose.

For the record, I am adamantly OPPOSED to venereal disease and unwanted pregnancies. Shocking, I know, but it is what I believe.

Kshunter · 07-08-2011, 04:49 PM

I know catnipdipshit will think this impossible, but...

No government entity ever bought me a rubber.

No government funded program ever showed me how to put one on a fucking overgrown pickle.

When it was time to get laid for the first time, I had to go to the drugstore and actually BUY them from some 80 year old lady that was obviously someone's grandmother, and then figure out how to put it on myself and use it.

And yet, I never got anyone pregnant unintentionally, nor have I ever had nor passed a VD.

That which is provided 'free' is valueless. Our country's teen pregancy and illegitimacy rates have grown alongside gubmint funded programs to prevent them. I wonder why?

Kshunter · 07-08-2011, 04:51 PM

Oh, and the gal from Kansans for Life is absolutely correct. The Federal government now borrows 40 cents of every dollar it spends; hence we are in fact borrowing money from China in order to put condoms on cucumbers.

Longermonger · 07-09-2011, 04:39 AM

I think it might be covered under "Pursuit of Happiness". Our government is supposed to protect our rights, right? Well, educating a teen how to properly use a condom might save their life. Bam! You've got LIFE, LIBERTY, and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS all right there in one educational program. No wonder conservatives are against it! They hate America!

imnotanasshat · 07-09-2011, 04:59 AM

http://www.hulu.com/watch/110317/sat...hina-cold-open

And if we can't afford to pay them back in cash, can they at least have the cucumbers?

ETA: they'll take the rubbers, too. Just leave 'em on the cuke (easier to ship)...

CuteOldGuy · 07-09-2011, 01:06 PM

Longer, where in the Constitution is the "pursuit of happiness." Nice to have you back, I needed a good laugh.

kcbigpapa · 07-09-2011, 02:26 PM

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Longer, where in the Constitution is the "pursuit of happiness." Nice to have you back, I needed a good laugh.

I feel the same way about clean air and clean water. Where in the Constitution am I guaranteed those? Or the FAA, FCC, NEA, NTSB, FEC, FDA, USDA, EPA, etc. I don't care if the plane I fly in is safe, just as long as it isn't being forced to be safe by the evil federal government in an un-Constitutional manner.

CuteOldGuy · 07-09-2011, 03:36 PM

So, papa, you think condoms are on the same level as clean air and water. Ok, go for it. I don't know what the NEA is, but the FAA, FCC and NTSB are clearly allowed insofar as they regulate interstate commerce. The FEC is useless, the FDA is dangerous and the USDA and EPA are incompetent.

As Madison said, the Constitution provides for a government of ENUMERATED powers. That means the federal government cannot go outside of its predetermined limitations. All other powers belong to the states or the people. If there is a program that is good and beneficial, but not within the federal government's constitutional limitations, then the states can enact it. Just because it is a good thing to do doesn't mean the federal government has to do it.

kcbigpapa · 07-09-2011, 06:06 PM

Clean air = health issue
Clean water = health issue
condoms = health issue
health care for all = health issue

Here is the overriding issue where logic fails Constitutionalists... times change. With it, the Constitution needs to change as well. It is not a perfect document and constantly saying it is not in the Constitution is just not rational. The above I mentioned are prime examples. Are you seriously trying to compare a small number of states with an agrarian society with the the issues we face today? Do you think the founding fathers thought the first amendment was going to be used by paparazzi? Or for porn, not that we don't love porn?

CuteOldGuy · 07-09-2011, 11:30 PM

If you want to change the Constitution, amend it. Our Founders knew it was imperfect, that's why they provided for the amendment process. Otherwise, there is very little that the states couldn't do. They don't face the same restrictions as the Feds. And principles are timeless. But if we are a government of laws, then we can't ignore the Constitution when it doesn't suit us. Otherwise, the government will become corrupt and think it can do anything it wants. Uh oh, too late. Dammit.

kcbigpapa · 07-10-2011, 12:42 AM

So does this mean you are conceding that clean air, clean water, condoms and health care are health issues?

CuteOldGuy · 07-10-2011, 12:47 AM

Duh, yes, they are health issues. Happy? What does that have to do with their unconstitutional federal "oversight"? The Founders, in their wisdom, left health issues to be addressed by the individual, or the states.

kcbigpapa · 07-10-2011, 12:54 AM

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Duh, yes, they are health issues. Happy? What does that have to do with their unconstitutional federal "oversight"? The Founders, in their wisdom, left health issues to be addressed by the individual, or the states.

I want you to stop and think about why clean water and air are illogical to have at the state level. I need to go to bed, but I will let you know why I think it is later on today. Speaking of going to bed, aren't you up a little late there old timer?