Review: (Germany) Another trip to FKK Paradise

[Pj01]

Date: 6/2/17
Name: Magritte?
Contact Info: http://www.the-paradise.de/
URL / Website: http://www.the-paradise.de/
General Area: Leinfelden-Echterdingen
Activities: BBBJ, K9, Mish, Standing K9
Session Length: 30
Fee: 50EUR
Hair Length and Color: Brown, mid-back
Age: mid-20s
Smoking Status: Smoker
Physical Description: Short (maybe 5'4") slim with nice B cups, brunette with a rockin' young body
Recommendation: Yes

[KosherCowboy]

Good review, glad you enjoyed yourself. I wish I had gotten down that way this past year but just been sticking to Frankfurt. Big shit storm rolling in July 1st. Thanks to a shit hotel in Barcelona I returned to Germany today to enjoy the rest of the month before this stupid new law kicks in. Been at Mainhatten all week and they are already flocking back to Romania but the ones I have been fucking all the time the last year or so are sticking it out thru the 30th so the service levels are great. It's a shame as they finally improved the garden, the hot tub is much better and they finally have AC upstairs only for now set on 25 very comfortable to fuck up there.

I hope to get down to Paradise but will see how the new law plays out first. Sharks, World and Oase have gone to shit, a bunch of cunts are at Palace now. Seems the talent is going downhill everywhere as the end of the month approaches but the FKK clubs have ruined me as it is a monger's paradise, back to the USA and land of the hobbyists. Let's hope the new laws fall apart !! Worst case scenerio we all head to Switzerland and Austria if all else fails; Spain is by far the best place to go in the iterim. And cheap as can be. Ukraine seems to be hopping now too BBBJ included so us mongers who like to escape the sexual prison known as the USA have options. I'll miss the FKK's if they turn in to CBJ but hopefully will be temporary.

You picked a great time to go thanks for the report. Congrats on your excellent timing. Careful after the 1st, we're looking at fines of 1.500 E if caught getting BBBJ but hopefully they will target the dedicated AO clubs although AO is at every club just not talked about. D-Day is in 3 days sadly

[kib123]

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

Careful after the 1st, we're looking at fines of 1.500 E if caught getting BBBJ...

Just how will they catch you? Some high tech BBBJ detector shit?

I think this law was lobbied for by the German hookers. I have had many of them complain over the years to losing business to them 'cheap' Romanians.

Paradise lost!

[KosherCowboy]

Originally Posted by kib123

Just how will they catch you? Some high tech BBBJ detector shit?

I think this law was lobbied for by the German hookers. I have had many of them complain over the years to losing business to them 'cheap' Romanians.

Paradise lost!

Actually this is the subject of much debate, just got back from the club again and the girls are already splitting. Mainhatten is having a huge party on July 1st w some porn stars coming most likely they are well aware many guys won't be coming. Each night I am there more split and tonight for the first time ever I saw ' Romanian vs Romanian' as they fought over business especially the Asians who they upsell the shit out of. It's the Bulgarians they hate, I fucked one tonight and that girl got the look of death from the RO.'s

It goes beyond the BBBJ , this is much about taxes, girls registering ( they fear this greatly) , getting the illegals out and a lot more. The girls are going to have to pay German income tax now as well which always means paying accountants. I'll post a lot more details once home that I have picked up on, the club owner or one of them was there tonight and I know some of the ISG guys read ECCIE ( a few) and don't want to put some things up until my visits are over nor do i wish to say why at this point.

If any guys post FKK reviews w BBBJ in it w a club name and a girl name after the 1st it's imperative we all report post to mods and have them immediately delete the names and follow the lead of the German boards and ISG. One of the guys I met tonight is a forum leader on one of the local boards here.

The good news is most think it is about money and will go away and most think it will be impossible to enforce, the bad news is there are tactics that can be used to enforce the law and pop some guys and girls. I won't be posting the names of the girls I see for this very specific reason . I have now fucked over 75 FKK girls the last year and don't want heaven to come crashing down and hope this passes.

To give a good comparison a Cat 5 hurricane is predicted to hit but it could make landfall and become a tropical storm or could hit as a 5 or anything in between...

Guys, use discretion by all means if you write a review and got BBBJ and it just isnt the girls, the clubs face massive fines up to 50K Euros I think....

Some of the girls already left for Austria and Switzerland or simply went home knowing what is coming. Hopefully you regular FKK goers have regulars or girls that will recognize you very well or expect to get CBJ. At least for now. 8 months ago I started buiding my harem and if the girls give me BBBJ and I get cought send me the 1,500E bill, I'll gladly pay it. The DOW/Nasdaq have done just fine so i'll take the risk althought I don't feel like getting locked up LOL. I have about 12 I fuck regularly now for this very reason as I know many will drop like flies and quit or go elsewhere.

And no, this law has zero to deal w German hookers they too are subject to this and in semi panic mode themselves it applies to non FKK prostitututes as well and very few that work there are German and 50% of them lie. One lied tonight, told me she was from Munich, a German next to me told me she was from Latvia just knew German and said her accent was not regional to any part of Germany. STD testing is a myth, it is not required but it will be now. A poster in the OASE thread claimed they are all tested and no AO goes on but that it totally wrong. This is the one good thing, they will have to get tested now. And any AO in the big clubs will for sure go away.

In Bavaria BBBJ was already outlawed and the police did storm right in to the rooms per some w flashlights and shined it right on the guys cock either in her mouth or pussy to see if BBBJ/AO was going on.

The Germans know a lot more than we do and one guy who goes daily to the club I know thinks once the money part is settled, the tax money coming in, the illegals out and STD testing followed strictly the laws will change..

I hope guys on the board here use discretion, report post to mod if they don't. This board is actually read by some over there as is TER , believe it or not.

On a brighter note, any of you guys want to take a monger trip to Spain ? Cheap, BBBJ all around and you can fuck any nationality in the world there, Spanish, S American, Russian, Romanian, African, Chinese, Thai you name it it's there.

[kib123]

Thanks for the update. Mainhattan used to be my favorite relaxing ground. Shame I may not visit again, at least in a while. CBJ is just sinful!

I think I may switch my vacation mongering to Spain. Any pointers on the type of groundwork and best places to get intel?

Been working the grounds in France lately; good pussy, but too much damn effort to get it.

[sean rider]

The previous post is a severe overreaction and even wrong on some points as a matter of fact.

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

It goes beyond the BBBJ , this is much about taxes, girls registering ( they fear this greatly) , getting the illegals out and a lot more. The girls are going to have to pay German income tax now as well which always means paying accountants.

It also covers BBFS, aka AO.

The factor that many girls are complaining about is the provision that girls can't sleep over in the rooms used for sessions. They have to have a separate living space. For girls in lower end clubs especially this may pose some hardship.

However, the practical effect will not be the end of BB services. They will just not be advertised anymore. They will still be available with the tacit, but legally deniable, approval of the club management. In low end "RTC" clubs sessions will still be 30 or 40 Euro, but BBBJ or AO will have an added 10 or 20 Euro added charge.

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

If any guys post FKK reviews w BBBJ in it w a club name and a girl name after the 1st it's imperative we all report post to mods and have them immediately delete the names and follow the lead of the German boards and ISG. One of the guys I met tonight is a forum leader on one of the local boards here.

This is nonsense and should be ignored. The impact of American customers is small, and the impact of this on American boards is miniscule.

Everyone is freaking out right now, but in 6 months things will have fallen into equilibrium as I've described above.

The laws are fundamentally unenforceable. The women are immune from prosecution for BB services. The idea is to fine the man. Except how is that going to happen? The men aren't going to turn themselves in, and the women aren't going to turn them in. Undercover policewomen running around nude and trying to entice guys in to BB services? Of course not.

And German cops, just like American cops, don't need to go to review sites to know what is happening in their own back yard. They certainly know better than anyone here as to what clubs offers what. And since the law regarding BB services is unenforcible, they view the new laws for what the are...politics with no reality behind them.

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

Guys, use discretion by all means if you write a review and got BBBJ and it just isnt the girls, the clubs face massive fines up to 50K Euros I think....

The restrictions on clubs have to do with what they can say in advertising. It will be a simple manner for them to post signs saying "condom use required" and that's it. And the girls will keep doing whatever optimizes their earnings.

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

...if the girls give me BBBJ and I get cought send me the 1,500E bill, I'll gladly pay it. ...And any AO in the big clubs will for sure go away.

That's just not going to happen. How would it? How would they even know who you are?

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

In Bavaria BBBJ was already outlawed and the police did storm right in to the rooms per some w flashlights and shined it right on the guys cock either in her mouth or pussy to see if BBBJ/AO was going on.

This is a myth. I've yet to hear from someone who personally witnessed this, or any news reports verifying actual events.

[KosherCowboy]

Sean
Some of your points are true such as the AO not going away ( just witnessed it ) but 90% of your speculation is just opinions
I'll stick w the opinions of the Germans more in the know . Curious how many FKK visits u made the last year ? How many of the german regulars have u spoken to who know the club owners ?
That's what I thought
One girl showed me her TER review.
The list goes on

The rooms at mainthatten aren't the ones they sleep in they pay 20€ to stay at the hotel next door that's not changing .

The ones I've been fucking will continue bbbj , how will they know the guy gets bbbj ?
Do a little more homework maybe you will find out .

The signs already up it basically indemnifies the club

It's expected after December 31st to return to normal . Not per me, per the guys who come here many daily . They know more than we do but given the choice I will follow their lead not your speculation . Fwiw all of us, here and there speculate . Including me and including the germans,; women immune from prosecution ?
You're right , they have different repercussions , I'll let you figure it out for yourself since u seem to think your " facts " are real , and don't believe all u read on the ISG, ill be happy to share why in a PM w you but seems you know more than the german guys, the government and the girls and the club managers.

Not one , not a single one is upset about the living thing except in the shit lower end clubs ; as to the Bavarian myth; search a little harder you'll find the link . It's there. You will find it keep looking . Also verified by a girl and local guy here.

We'll have to agree to disagree respectfully , but I'll go w what the Germans say.

Why don't you book a flight in August and join me, be fun to have someone FKK knowledgeable here to shoot the shit with even if we don't see eye to eye. At least we can come here every other month on the bright side

At least I'll leave you with something we can agree on 100 percent . Last trip In the garden a few guys and girls asked me why I come from America so much. I showed them a list of provider ads. They laughed their asses off and said they understood . They laughed harder than a drunken Chicago Irish guy at 3 AM. Maybe on that you can get a chuckle and agree and if you are an AO guy it's alive and well .
Respectfully,
KC

[KosherCowboy]

Originally Posted by kib123

Thanks for the update. Mainhattan used to be my favorite relaxing ground. Shame I may not visit again, at least in a while. CBJ is just sinful!

I think I may switch my vacation mongering to Spain. Any pointers on the type of groundwork and best places to get intel?

Been working the grounds in France lately; good pussy, but too much damn effort to get it.

France sucks it's why so many are here in fact a group from Lyon came in . Spain is great , the ISG has some good info I've got a ton and if you want more info I'll tell u the exact four guys to PM on there depending if u prefer Madrid or Barcelona . Spain has great message boards too PM for them.

There's a way around the bbbj here in Germany just gonna be a lot of discretion needed .

By all means hit Spain, I'm much more a Madrid guy be happy to load you up w intel ; I've spent a cumulative two weeks there this year w two maybe three more planned.

Europe is the best to the point I only fuck two girls back home they are like snacks to tide me over

Buen viaje

[KosherCowboy]

Originally Posted by kib123

I think I may switch my vacation mongering to Spain. Any pointers on the type of groundwork and best places to get intel?

https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/index.php
https://www.slumi.com/escorts/madrid...independientes ( Use the filters, has other cities too)
https://esaschicas.com/forum.php
http://www.girlsmadrid.com/
This link one of the ISG guys sent me in a PM for Valencia:
http://www.valenciacitas.com/

If you want to use their personals and get it on the cheap this site is great, I haven't used it as I'm not one to save 10-40 Euro, chicken feed. But the site is legit and all over Spain.
http://www.nuevoloquo.com/anuncios-eroticos/madrid/
' Sin goma' is the Spanish ' AO' or as known here, BBFS

My personal favorite place is www.placermadrid.com ( Paula, Nerea and Penelope are the best ones there, fucked almost the whole house as they had doubles for 80 going, their daily availability is posted on esaschicas.)

Those sites will get you what you need, might need to use translators if you can't read Spanish.

The ISG Spanish forums have tons of accurate info and spot on ( I've got several reviews up there in Spain and I copied them here as well, ) the guys very cool guys and approachable

The ISG forums for Germany are not 100% accurate, far from. Tons of smokescreens and they are often anti-tourist. They don't share the true and accurate stuff. They know much more than what they reveal. The guys I met the past 7 days seemed to know a lot of things the ISG'ers aren't sharing yet they all live there and go to the same clubs. It's good to have a familiar face. Those assholes tried telling me XXX only goes to the room for 100E, bullshit. She went for 50E, DATY, offered DFK ( declined I dont kiss them) and they claim 100E mandatory. Yeah right....

You will find the Spanish forums much more real, feel free to start some ISO's there as not to hijack this FKK Paradise thread. I'll blame myself for the hijack, sorry Pj01.

[sean rider]

Originally Posted by KosherCowboy

Sean
Some of your points are true such as the AO not going away ( just witnessed it ) but 90% of your speculation is just opinions
I'll stick w the opinions of the Germans more in the know . Curious how many FKK visits u made the last year ? How many of the german regulars have u spoken to who know the club owners ?

Not that it's any of your business, but I've actually lived in Germany. I've been going to FKKs for 20+ years. I know a few German guys who are well connected. If you read the German boards you've probably seen me on there under a different username.

And here's the thing about posters on German boards...they are as clueless about German prostitution as American posters are about American prostitution.

The girls can't be sanctioned, and the club owners just have to stay inside the lines. The only ones left are us.

I've yet to hear a plausible scenario describing how this law will be enforced. Describe step by step exactly how I end up under arrest when I limit the BBBJ action to being alone with the girl in a room.

The law is unenforceable and will have less impact than many believe.

Let's check back in a year and see who was right.

[KosherCowboy]

Originally Posted by sean rider

And here's the thing about posters on German boards...they are as clueless about German prostitution as American posters are about American prostitution.

The girls can't be sanctioned, and the club owners just have to stay inside the lines. The only ones left are us.

I've yet to hear a plausible scenario describing how this law will be enforced.

Describe step by step exactly how I end up under arrest when I limit the BBBJ action to being alone with the girl in a room.

The law is unenforceable and will have less impact than many believe.

Let's check back in a year and see who was right.

I actually agree with your sentiments but let's not confuse sentiments with facts. The law won't be enforceable IMHO either and will have less impact if any impact than many ' speculate', and unless we are ' johnny law' we don't know for sure what they will attempt.

I think they may pop a low hanging fruit, make an embarassing example out of somebody maybe a high profile executive or a tourist who knows, no one does; hopefully not me LOL but as many have told me in person getting the illegals out, getting them to pay income taxes and the registrations etc is all going to fall in to place and than they'll either change the law or drop it. How is this for a prediction. The German Sex Laws will get repealed or changed before Trump and the Elephants get a new health care bill implemented.

You've read the same dates I have this may not even take a year to go away may never happen and might all come to an end Dec 31st or sooner. A lot almost all of what you speculate/predict I have also been reading on the ISG and many of those guys say the same and some say different ( they argue with each other jockying to be King FKK Guy especially that one guy who I hear is disgusting looking) but your comment that the German's on their boards are as clueless about prostitution as Americans are on these boards is not only entirely correct but funny as can be and happy reading for sure . I'll take it another step a bunch of them are assholes. I'll also add manipulative in their posting we probably read some of the same culprits. They white knight in their own way as well the same way guys here white knight girls just another format/style of doing such.

A German local also echoed your sentiments about what they post on the internet in German and/english , that they are clueless and based on my personal experience what one would expect to experience having read their fucking garbage for well over 75+ sessions and what I got in all my visits especially the last night there don't match up. They aren't honest posters nor do they share the good stuff.

My last session I got there if I posted on the ISG they would deny, say ' no way' and so on. Those assholes think they own those girls. They think a tourist isn't capable of getting what they get in the clubs. They're full of shit. Agree

I think we agree more than we disagree but this right vs wrong this is well wrong.

'It isn't me vs you. 'It's all of us vs the law. ' ; no one is really in the know. The one German guy on the ISG who is cool said it best ' we won't know until the 1st and beyond how this unfolds.'

I see no reason why I ( or you) won't be getting BBBJ on my next trip, AO will survive and is well I must add and those German assholes think they are the only ones who can get AO outside of Dietz and in the region you mentioned. I have never witnessed a bunch of jackass posters with senses of entitlements on any forum internationally ever since joining in 1992 so yeah you're right, they're clueless, I'll add in arrogant and selfish too. They also don't share the best info.

It is interesting the one who delivered my best session ever not just in GER but maybe in 29 years of whoring has never had her name mentioned on the net. Gee, you think those guys hold back?

Screw them. I agree with you. The only good advise I got was from a local German in person ( not those online assholes) and once I saw the law many months ago I followed his advise to load up on regulars and stick to one club, and as a girl told me in the beginning if she doesn't know the guy or gets a bad vibe he may be getting CBJ until they feel the heat is off and that is IF the heat even comes.

Won't take long, your're right they want their money and maximize their profits and also need to make up the Delta of German taxes to be paid so I see no reason they won't suck bare. And AO. The prices you presented for some of those AO clubs I saw on the ISG as well but I don't partake at those clubs but hope the guys who like those clubs get what they desire. I'd rather stick to the big ones and AO is available at them as well think it goes back to your statement those Germans are clueless, maybe they don't know how to play ball so well in their own backyards as we do ?

No need to argue over what we don't know especially since we are on the same page as thinking this is all garbage but in the beginning.....I do agree with some of those guys discretion should be used. I'm just happy I've got 12+ great options and know 1 super option for the 'real good stuff' but my gut is she won't last long as a Whore anyway based on the negotiations, services rendered in the session and well I'll just leave it at that.

I'm also not overreacting ; if I were overreacting I wouldn't be going back I'd be home scared and I have no doubt the service(s) I have been getting steadily will continue. There are some items I don't want to post but be happy to share in PM's but since you seem to take this as a ' who knows more' or ' me vs you' it doesn't really seem that you see us on the same page unfortunately

I hope you get BBBJ. I hope if you like AO you get it too; at least we know BBBJ/CIM/AO thrives in the I-35 corridor LOL, probably I-10 as well. .

I did what I needed to to lock down regulars and sounds like you know you're way around so I'm sure you will be just fine as well. I can't really give you a real reason of how they will enforce the BBBJ because I think the ways they can might be against the law, I'm not a German rights lawyer. It is more about ways to work around it, but the girls are already on top of that they need the $$ more than we need the BBBJ/AO; it's the oldest profession in the world and I think we should agree rather than argue. All will survive it is just a matter of strength of impact, duration and when it goes away. I'm in your boat, not the enemies. The law will fail you can't stop human nature and $ ( Euros) will always talk.

But great point about those German guys ( on the net, the ones I met in person presented the exact opposite info amost than the German keyboard warriors) , I think they are unaware as much as the local TX guys are about the scene here and their attitude to tourists is terrible and we both know why ( on same page I am sure on that too). The American guys here, yeah, spot on man. They have their noses up these girls asses so deep it is pretty sad to read. Won't ever argue with you one bit on that one

Now why don't you drop this right vs wrong and join me on a trip amigo let's go show those German bastards how wrong they are about tourists. Free in September? I'll be in Spain two weeks than be happy to hop over to Frankfurt for some fun? One of my regs likes to tag team guys and picks two out sometimes to see if they will go with her, she isn't changing her price and you'd walk away a very happy man. Let me know when your ticket is in hand, going back is a lot more fun than speculating, arguing etc.

I've got Panama City this month and many of the girls over there in FKK Land are going on holiday part of August and many of them are taking off July to see how things unfold. Hopefully I'll see you in September, not on the internet but on the playing field..I'll even pay your entry fee the 1st night. Ready to go ? November will be in the DR a week so prob not a great time either. If you know any other guys who do the FKK's maybe invite them too get a few of us to go.

KC

[fun2come]

I've been employing the don't ask - don't tell policy ...
as this or part of this law has been law in Bavaria for some time.
Is this NATION-wide now or are still a few States exempt?


It sure will put an uncertainty and extra costs on future FUN trips.

THX for discussing it here, wish it would have been in an extra thread with proper title, though.

May be a MOD would be willing to copy it over to a new thread with appropriate title?

[energumeno69]

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hope you enjoy and be lucky as I was!