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Old 10-04-2016, 09:49 AM   #1
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Default Donald Trump’s gaffe on veterans and PTSD shows just what an amateur he still is

Just. Fucking. Awful.

Ignorant, mean and stupid.
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Donald Trump’s gaffe on veterans and PTSD shows just what an amateur he still is

There will be plenty of quibbling in the hours ahead, but Donald Trump clearly just created a new batch of problems for himself with his comments Monday morning, in which he suggested that veterans dealing with mental health problems aren't "strong" and "can't handle it."

"When people come back from war and combat, they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over, and you're strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it," Trump said to a veterans group in Northern Virginia. "And they see horror stories — they see events that you couldn’t see in a movie. Nobody would believe it. And we need mental health help, and medical. And it’s one of the things that I think is least-addressed, and it's one of the things that I hear the most about, when I go around and am talking to veterans."

Some suggested Trump was saying veterans who have post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) are weak. Others suggested that maybe he just got his words mixed up and shouldn't be raked over the coals.

But what Trump did here is thoroughly Trump. He was talking about an issue in very general terms and was trying to express sympathy. He used the kind of platitudes that you would expect from an amateur politician — but he also stumbled into the kind of language that anybody who is familiar with these issues would know to avoid.

Veterans' allies work hard to fight against the idea that problems like PTSD arise because people aren't strong enough — especially given the culture of strength that exists within the military and lingering resistance to the very idea of PTSD.

People often think that having post-traumatic stress disorder is a sign of mental weakness. In reality, even the mentally toughest human can be emotionally affected by something if they aren’t mentally prepared for an event, especially when it comes to combat. Psychological trauma is a product of the complex relationship between biological, psychological, historical and social factors. Thus, it varies greatly from person to person.

In contrast with other controversial Trump statements, this one wasn't Trump trying to be provocative or appealing to his base. Indeed, saying anything that would alienate veterans would be a very bad idea for any Republican politician, and even Trump knows that.

But he is betraying his utter lack of sophistication on policy issues. Trump's stock response on veterans issues is that things are very bad and that there are 22 veteran suicides per day (which isn't actually accurate) and that the Department of Veterans Affairs isn't doing a good job. But in this case, he was asked about specific ways in which he would address the veteran suicide epidemic, and he has no real response for that — because he has no real policy prescription that he can enunciate. So he wandered into territory that even he must recognize now was a bad idea.

The Trump campaign will surely complain about the way his comments are written up. But he messed up on Monday. And he did it because, in a lot of ways, he's still an amateur.
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I like to see creepyoldguy defend Trump's gaffe
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:54 AM   #3
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I wouldn't.
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Old 10-04-2016, 10:55 AM   #4
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Mika Brzezinski defended Trump on Morning Joe this morning.

She stated that anybody listening knew he was specifically addressing the Veteran that had managed to cope with his PSD, but understood many did not possess his ability to do that.

Brzezinski also said that this is why the public has such a low opinion of the Media, they misrepresent facts to suite their own agenda.
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I think what your post is meant to say can be summarized with this:

<Trump said something that could be considered offensive by veterans, especially those with PTSD. Those veterans should be so offended that they stop supporting Trump.>

I am an OEF/OIF veteran and I am currently being treated for PTSD. I am not offended by Trump's statement.
I believe Trump is trying to say that there are many veterans still coping with issues from the war. Access to VA Healthcare can be difficult to obtain. It can take months to get even a single appointment. The VA does not want to even diagnose many vets because they know treatment will be expensive. Trump has said in the past that he realizes veterans are not cared for as well as they could be.

Personally, I am supporting Trump because Hillary has declared herself an enemy of the Second Ammendment, and therefore of the Constitution itself. (A Constitution I took an oath to uphold and defend.) She has a track record of failure, incompetance, deceit, and corruption.

I say again, I am not offended. Perhaps I am not as "weak" as those who propagate this mis-information wold have you believe. Then again, maybe a veterans skin is just thicker than your average liberal.
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This article is a total joke. The author of the article clearly has no working knowledge of mental health issues and totally misinterpreted Trump's statement, just like the rest of you stupid bastards.


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Old 10-04-2016, 11:15 AM   #7
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What would you know? You're brain damaged! "Remember"?

Please go sit on the bench and let the Big Dogs do their business.
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:48 AM   #8
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What would you know? You're brain damaged! "Remember"?

Please go sit on the bench and let the Big Dogs do their business.
He's too brain damaged to remember, that's why we have to keep reminding him. It's getting old isn't it?

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Another quote taken out of context and demagogued.
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Trump's day is a total loss if he doesn't piss someone off.
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"Trump's day is a total loss if he doesn't piss someone off."

Ok, that's pretty funny.
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"Donald Trump’s gaffe on veterans and PTSD shows just what an amateur he still is"

I will take an amateur politician over a career politician any day!
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He's too brain damaged to remember, that's why we have to keep reminding him. It's getting old isn't it? Jim
Yes! It's gotten so bad he can't "remember" if he is a "servicemember" who can vote while stationed in Italy this month or a "wounded warrior" who had pieces of shrapnel removed from a glad in THE MIDDLE OF THE BASE OF HIS "BRAIN" .... which was damaged and therefore he's unable to control his weight gain ...

... so he's now 400 pounds!!!! and going to kick everyone's ass!!! ...

... by putting them on "IGNORE"!!!!!!
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I will take an amateur politician over a career politician any day!
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I hate trump but there is nothing wrong with what he actually said.
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