SO sorry for the rant, But screening is a must.

[Madison_Gable]

I will not screen you without your freaking last name and a phone number.

I will not screen you without complete reference information other than her email address, a name, and you telling me that she is a verified provide on ECCIE... IF I CAN'T FIND HER.

I will not screen you in a boat.. with a goat... you get the idea.

In fact, I shouldn't even send you an email to remind you to provide this information.

In fact, I'm updating my screening form because I don't think it's enough.

We will have requirements that make us feel safe and secure. I know most ladies are here have utterly no intent on causing harm to any gentlemen... please give us the due respect.

There was another thread about how it makes you feel safer in the end as well.

Am I being too harsh about this?

[Omahan]

Well, I will never see you because I won't give you my full name for screening; however, I don't hold it against you that you ask. You need to protect yourself and any screening you decide is necessary to do that is your business and your right. I protect myself by deciding how much personal info I will give out. Our needs just won't match up. No hard feelings on my part.

Are you being too harsh? Well, you could have said it a bit more nicely.

[growler]

Just state upfront you require first contact by either 411 or date-check, should take care of your problem. I've only given my name to two ladys and that was only after we got to know each other. BTW Maine is absolutely stunning.

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by growler

Just state upfront you require first contact by either 411 or date-check, should take care of your problem.

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Whew I feel better now. Regardless of the clarity of your contact/screening instructions some people just refuse to pay attention. When I get all of the info needed on a first contact I have a little party.

[AnotherJohn]

Originally Posted by Madison_Gable

I will not screen you without your freaking last name and a phone number.

I will not screen you without complete reference information other than her email address, a name, and you telling me that she is a verified provide on ECCIE... IF I CAN'T FIND HER.

I will not screen you in a boat.. with a goat... you get the idea.

In fact, I shouldn't even send you an email to remind you to provide this information.

In fact, I'm updating my screening form because I don't think it's enough.

We will have requirements that make us feel safe and secure. I know most ladies are here have utterly no intent on causing harm to any gentlemen... please give us the due respect.

There was another thread about how it makes you feel safer in the end as well.

Am I being too harsh about this?

This is just like the anti-gunners mistake thinking criminals buy guns at the gunstore.. News flash, if someone wants to actually hurt you, they will pass your screening easily. Go see a few providers, get p411 access and then call you up. If LE wants to bust you, they can get a fake id, or use a previously busted verified clients id. Screen all you wish, it will make u feel better thats great, but thinking it makes you safe, is just plain nieve.

[jframe2]

+1

Originally Posted by Omahan

Well, I will never see you because I won't give you my full name for screening; however, I don't hold it against you that you ask. You need to protect yourself and any screening you decide is necessary to do that is your business and your right. I protect myself by deciding how much personal info I will give out. Our needs just won't match up. No hard feelings on my part.

Are you being too harsh? Well, you could have said it a bit more nicely.

[petiteassman]

you and your way of thinking. i will be forwarding you my full name address and date of birth as well as my pets shot records so thank i can have the honor of your company at $400/ hr. if you would be as kind to post of pm your real name social security # 1 valid credit card with cvc code your parents contact information and your high school transcripts i will go ahead and pre screen you for all board members once you have paid the pre screening initiation fee of $650.00 thank you

[Modda]

Originally Posted by Omahan

Are you being too harsh? Well, you could have said it a bit more nicely.

Well said Omahan.

[6ULDV8]

Originally Posted by Omahan

Well, I will never see you because I won't give you my full name for screening; however, I don't hold it against you that you ask. You need to protect yourself and any screening you decide is necessary to do that is your business and your right. I protect myself by deciding how much personal info I will give out. Our needs just won't match up. No hard feelings on my part.

Are you being too harsh? Well, you could have said it a bit more nicely.

Ditto. Well said.

[Sooper Lover]

This is what is so great about our free spending capitalistic country. Madison offers a product (I believe an absolutely FANTASTIC product at that) and she has certain standards and requirements to sell that product. There is no way in the world she should have to apologize for that. If you are uncomfortable with meeting her requirements, then you will have to sit on the sidelines and wonder what could have been. This is no different than a dress code at a restaurant. I don't particularly enjoy wearing a Jacket and tie outside my work, but by golly, if I want some excellent food and service at "that" restaurant, then I'll dress up to meet their expectations. Stick to your guns Madison.....and all you other ladies who have screening requirements. If it makes you feel better/safer then do it. Don't back down, because the one time you do will be the time you regret it.

[Sooper Lover]

Originally Posted by Madison_Gable

I will not screen you in a boat.. with a goat... you get the idea.

By the way....I love the Dr. Seuss thing.....do you eat Green Eggs and Ham as well???

[MsElena]

There's no reason for providers and hobbyists to mock each other. A few posts could've been said differently AKA nicely, but people respond the way they are treated to begin with it.

With that said...........

Most gents don't pay attention to what is written in an ad or website period. Why you ask? Because you guys look for 4 things:

1. Pictures
2. Phone number
3. Services offered
4. Rates and even then that's pushing it because some still ask about them

I don't expect all gents to read every page of my website, but I do expect them to at least look it over to see if their questions could be answered by scanning through it.

If a gent doesn't send me what is needed the first time, then I ask him to do so in my reply. If a gent sends me the requirements needed in the first email, I sigh with relief and do my homework.

Sooper, no one is asking or expecting the OP to change her requirements. But, wording it the way she did.....of course she should expect to have a few harsh responses.

As a provider the ladies need to remember that you (provider) should be flattered that he choose you to contact and hopefully see. If you need to send him a reminder of what you need in order to see him, big deal. What does it cost you to do so? Nothing, but a few minutes at that.

You catch more flies with honey. But, that's just my opinion of course.

Also, before anyone replies with something like, "Oh she's ass kissing the gents to get business, blah blah blah, etc." Think again. I just know how to run this like a business and NOT air my frustrations nor will I mock the hobbyists in public. Just in private lol j/k

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this is very interesting on P411 http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...ight=bust+p411

[Sooper Lover]

MsElena, you said it all very eloquently. As I read the thread I just sensed a little push-back from some folks and some even mocking Maddie. I just wanted to build her up a bit and support all of you. Not kissing up...just being me. I have a feeling there is much more behind the start of this thread than we'll ever know.

I do believe in using honey and really stand on the principle of treating others as you would expect to be treated. Personally, I guess I just didn't want this to go out of control. I know you moderators are all over it. Call it chivalry....it's just who I am

[Sens55]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Most gents don't pay attention to what is written in an ad or website period. Why you ask? Because you guys look for 4 things:

1. Pictures
2. Phone number
3. Services offered
4. Rates and even then that's pushing it because some still ask about them

I don't expect all gents to read every page of my website, but I do expect them to at least look it over to see if their questions could be answered by scanning through it.

I agree to a point, but I thought that I would add that many guys DO read all the information. But we still ask about rates for very simple reasons. Rates change. Websites are not always updated regularly. Many girls have different rates on different websites and I won't spend the time to try and figure out the last time her rate page was updated...And even then, girls may offer a discount. I don't ask for them, but I have had ladies quote me a rate far different (in both directions) than was posted in their website. In fact, once I actually had a provider mad at me because I DIDN'T ask, went by the price on the website only to find it wasn't updated and she'd raised her prices...and it was, of course, my fault for not knowing that . So although it can be annoying to you ladies that are good about keeping your sites updated and clear, it's not entirely the guys' fault for asking for clarification. Better to ask, be clear and both sides have a good time than a misunderstanding that may lead to nastiness and hard feelings.

On the point of the OP. I can only say that as aggravating as it may be to have this happen, I would seriously consider thinking about the tone of your posts before you do so. You are on a board filled with clients and potential clients. How you respond is a reflection of you. I have heard nothing but good things about you. But if I had not heard those things and only read this post, my impression would be a negative one. Look, this is a business for you ladies. Business is full of BS like this. I have customers that have signed contracts, full disclosure Terms & Conditions signed by them, I have sat with them and had hour long meetings over policies and procedures and I STILL, on a DAILY BASIS, have a distributor or contractor say "I didn't know that...." And even though they clearly SHOULD, I cannot just go "HEY, You're an idiot! Didn't you read it before you signed it? I won't help you now!"

The point is, every business involving people will have issues with communication. And as aggravating as it may be, it's rarely a good idea to blast away openly at your customers and prospects. Trust me. I get it. I have customers I'd like to kick in the nuts to get their attention. They waste my time. They cause me aggravation. The drive me insane. But they also pay my bills. And if they stopped buying, I'd be out of work. So we grin, smile and politely instruct them on the proper way we do business and hope (against hope) they'll learn. I'm not saying you shouldn't say anything at all. And I can certainly see a sense of humor in your post. But it was also scathing.

And I've looked at your site, and you do ask for information. But you might also put something in there that specifically states that incomplete information may lead to a delay in meeting, or potentially a refusal to meet. If you aren't clear on your expectations, you can't be upset if they're unmet. And, again, guys may be willing to give you some information but not all. I concur with Omahan. I will not give out certain information to women I don't know on a website I have no control over. And many with a lot to lose wouldn't either... So again, it's understandable to be upset. But you will never control your customers and you will never stop the BS questions. It goes with the territory. But you can look at your operation and information and see what you can do to minimize it. And at least then it will be kept to a minimum, and you can address these issues individually and not airing them in front of your customer base. Or don't. It's your business, just a suggestion....