All of this wanting to pay less for less..

[Alyssa Marie]

Who started this idea?
Seriously...
Wanting to pay less because you aren't having full on sex. That only cost factor in that is a condom. Did it ever occur to you that some of us enjoy the sex?
Bbbj only.. Daty only.. Did it ever occur to you that is a more intimate, vulnerable activity for some? I love giving blow jobs, but for me to spread my legs and let you have a snack is the most vulnerable that you will find me.
Has it ever occurred to you that what you may think is "less work" is actually more work?
Want to just go to dinner? If we have nothing in common and you use me as a therapist, that time together will be so hard on me. It will be emotionally draining...
I cannot be the only person who thinks this way. In fact, I know I'm not. I have discussed it with other people before.

Point is, if you are getting off on it... That's what matters!

These talks always remind me of this guy I see in Las Vegas. He has a sign that says, "kick me in the nuts for 20." This guy is a genius! People totally think they are funny.. Kicking some poor dude in the nuts for $20. Well, my best friend is a dominatrix. People pay her to do that! This guy totally has a fetish and he has learned how to make a profit off of it. The people who do it are enjoying it, the have a story to tell... It's a double win.

[Tsmokies]

Have you met bolt thing from Ca. He knows a lot too

[Alyssa Marie]

No, but I have another question..
Do us ladies decide how much "work" we want to do within this time and if a guy goes over our expected amount send him a bill?
Lol.. This isn't supposed to be so complicated.

[Sir Lancehernot]

Originally Posted by Alyssa Marie

Who started this idea?
Seriously...
Wanting to pay less because you aren't having full on sex.

I suspect it's always been that way.

I got my start in the hobby a decade-and-a-half ago, paying 140 for half-hour handjob/SS combinations in Houston. Full service from escorts was at least 60 more.

To this day, I can pay 100 to spend an hour being rubbed by a really pretty girl. If I want to see her breasts, that's 20 more. If I want to see her nude, that's another 20. If I want something more than a rub, that's at least another 40.

The idea that we're simply paying for time is an illusion. No one in or out of the hobby really believes that "money is exchanged for time only" and "anything that occurs is between two consenting adults."

This is one of the few true market-based micro-economies left. If I pay 240 for an hour and leave after receiving a handjob, and another guy reports that he received (from the same or a different lady, it doesn't matter) MPCFS/CIM x 2 for 240, the market will correct for that because the perceived value of how the time was spent is different, even if the amount of time is the same.

Did it ever occur to you that some of us enjoy the sex?

You're women. I disabused myself of that possibility a long time ago, and nothing since then has caused me to reconsider it, Some of you fake it better than others, but enjoying it? Nah. Sex is something women tolerate for security or money, not something they enjoy.

[Alyssa Marie]

I don't mean the legal jargon of it..
This discussion of a la carte came up the other week.. With references to brothels..

When it comes to independents we can all pick and choose our rates. And sure, we can all pick and choose if we want to be a la carte. I guess I just prefer to be the buffet and I don't understand why someone would want to go through the hassle of making it anything less.

And, ummm... I enjoy sex. Sorry to break it to ya. There are just as many men who use relationship activities (sex, merging accounts, putting a ring on it) as there are women. It doesn't only go one way. I hate the commitment side of things. I love the intimacy side of things. We all have seratonin and when it starts to flow, you can't stop it!

[SweetMelody]

[QUOTE=Alyssa Marie;1055381315]Who started this idea?
Seriously...
Wanting to pay less because you aren't having full on sex. That only cost factor in that is a condom. Did it ever occur to you that some of us enjoy the sex?
Bbbj only.. Daty only.. Did it ever occur to you that is a more intimate, vulnerable activity for some? I love giving blow jobs, but for me to spread my legs and let you have a snack is the most vulnerable that you will find me.
Has it ever occurred to you that what you may think is "less work" is actually more work?
Want to just go to dinner? If we have nothing in common and you use me as a therapist, that time together will be so hard on me. It will be emotionally draining...
I cannot be the only person who thinks this way. In fact, I know I'm not. I have discussed it with other people before.

Point is, if you are getting off on it... That's what matters!


Well put. You are absolutely not the only one who feels that way. Actual intercourse is the easiest thing in the world to do. It doesn't take much skill at all. I really enjoy DATY, but not everyone is as good at it as they think, and there is really nothing worse than having a stranger down there performing bad DATY. But, unless he came to me asking me to teach him, I wouldn't let him know that he was awful because what he is paying for is ultimately about his pleasure, not mine. For the gentlemen who just like to watch masturbation, should we ladies not charge at all for that?

[Sir Lancehernot]

Originally Posted by Alyssa Marie

I don't mean the legal jargon of it..
This discussion of a la carte came up the other week.. With references to brothels..

When it comes to independents we can all pick and choose our rates. And sure, we can all pick and choose if we want to be a la carte. I guess I just prefer to be the buffet and I don't understand why someone would want to go through the hassle of making it anything less.

One woman I know simply doesn't want to do FS more than two or three times a day and actually will gladly do a BR or L2 session, earning less money, to save we and tear on her body and, I suspect, not have to put as much emotionally into the session.

Others are catering to different markets. There are plenty of nice guys who can't afford a 300 GFE but who will happily pay 100-140 for a handjob from a pretty girl in various stages of dress or undress. For them, working an hour and keeping 60-100 -- with the possibility of earning more if the client asks and she's amenable -- is better than sitting around waiting for the phone to ring.

Still others aren't interested in the FS route. They'll do L1, B2B, SS, maybe L2, but they reserve intercourse for someone special in their lives. The multi-tiered pricing enables them to participate in this economy to an extent they are comfortable with with compromising their reservations about "going all the way."

And, ummm... I enjoy sex.

Yeah, I was being somewhat facetious, trying to avoid admitting that it's not that I've not known any women who enjoyed sex, it's that I never knew any who enjoyed it with me.

[Guest110416]

If you really look at it, doing a FBSM is a lot more physical work than FS and the pay is much less in most cases. There are arguments and discussions about paying for time and whatever happens during that time is between two consenting adults. Then the other side of that argument is limited GFE should be limited pay and the providers who upsell for Greek, CIM or MSOG within the time frame of the appointment. There really is no winning in this type of discussion, but can make for stimulating conversation if it is talked about in a calm adult manner instead of the usual mannerisms of a handful of members here.

[Guest060214]

Who started the idea of MSOG and greek upcharges?

[Alyssa Marie]

Originally Posted by Jarvis

Who started the idea of MSOG and greek upcharges?

Good question, perhaps you would like to start a thread on it?
But to answer, I don't know and I think they're crap!
I don't do Greek and if you can get out 50 ejaculations, be my guest!

I'm sure some people don't agree in discounting multi hours..
I personally do if a gent is throwing out an awesome fun date idea..

I think I'm more wondering why people think certain things are less work and should be less out of pocket when in reality they aren't less work.

[Alyssa Marie]

Perhaps the msog and Greek is similar to ordering a shrimp skewer or a salad with your steak?
If you decline the mashed potatoes the restaurant won't discount you, but if you ask for the lobster tail, look out!

[Sir Lancehernot]

Originally Posted by davidfree986

If you really look at it, doing a FBSM is a lot more physical work than FS and the pay is much less in most cases.

Indeed. But call it a "pussy premium." Women know that guys are willing to pay more for FS than FBSM. We may talk about paying for time, but in our heads, we have some sort of pricing schedule imprinted, i.e., for 140, she'd better give me a naked HJ; for 180-, she'd better give me a blowjob, and if it's over 200, she'd better let me fuck her.

You see it all the time in comments, guys getting grief for "overpaying" for L1 or L2.

And the inverse relationship between the additional work required and the extra money that can be earned is one reason that many BR girls wind up eventually going the FS route.

[FunInDFW]

I think one could make the argument that with greek, there is extra work involved (preparation) and has a potential bigger risk of injury than with vaginal.

[Alyssa Marie]

SL - we have a "pussy premium" even if you don't have sex.. Would you pay $140 if you went to a spa and a man was going to massage you all the way through the happy ending?

[Sir Lancehernot]

You asked. I'm just trying to give you my perspective.