Ladies what would it take . . . or just how much . . . $$$???

[Reeltalk]

Question for the Providers: How much annual income would it take for some of you to resign from this profession if you had the opportunity to be guaranteed gainful employment (until retirement), with the opportunity to advance - along with decent healthcare benefits?

What’s the bare minimum amount (with possible advancements)?

Question for the Hobbyists: If you had the opportunity to employ one or more Providers in the aforementioned scenario, however awkward it might be - would you?

What if she was your ATF?

Could you put her decision to change her profession, ahead of your own personal need to have your appetites satiated by her?

(Disclaimer: Please understand that these questions are not intended to undermine the personal decisions or the integrity of anyone in this hobby, nor the wonderful and stimulating services you provide for us. Please forgive me if there is any offense taken here. It is definitely not my intent.)

[vnurse]

That is a very interesting question, Reeltalk. I am not able to answer that without putting pen to paper and figuring it out.

My concerns are more about time constraints than money. Of course money IS a necessary evil along with healthcare, etc.

I have family care obligations as most know so that takes a good bit of my time.

Out of curiosity, I may just sit down and figure this out later in my spare time. I'm not sure if I'll post my budget (LOL!) but I'll try to get back to you!

[Clouddancer]

I have met a few providers that given the opportunity, I would absolutely hire them.
I truly believe these ladies have the skills to do quite well in my profession.

I had a discussion similar to this with a favorite lady of mine. I showed her the path to take to get properly qualified to work in my profession. She thought about it but decided to take a different path.

[Fancyinheels]

What about this ISN'T gainful employment, darlin'? I consider my life to have advanced since I have my own business, set my own hours, most of the time make a decent amount of money, get to travel, and am generally happier than I've even been despite having to tighten my garter belt.

The bad economy is hitting EVERYONE in the wallet, massive layoffs in industries that were once thought to be safe, so job security in a traditional field is a myth. I pay for private health insurance, so while it would be super nice to have that included in a paycheck as a fringe benefit, the way things are going most employers will be doing away with such company benefits in the future. Although I've been in white collar work (as opposed to having a white collar worker in ME), my college degree in journalism won't go near as far career-wise as it once did, and I'm not cut out for a 9 to 5 job, anyway. This suits me. If someone wants total, complete, and sole access, I'll be happy to PM them a salary requirement.

[Reeltalk]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

What about this ISN'T gainful employment, darlin'?

With all due respect Fancy - I think gainful employment might be defined as employment that produces sufficient, reported "taxable" income (I know . . . that damn Uncle Sam). Taxable income used to pay into the social securities or retirement funds in which our Gub'ment deduct even more of our earnings from later. Wow - I guess I'm not making this sound very appealing am I? Lol!

I bet that annual amount just went up a whole lot more.

And about that "total, complete, and sole access" you mentioned with a "salary requirement" . . ? That would almost be like a marriage - except we all know none of us (hobbyists) could probably afford the cost of unlimited sex in a real marriage. The hobby lets us get off very cheap. I'll PM you my bid amount. Do you work holidays and weekends?

[Putanna Di Classe]

Originally Posted by Reeltalk

With all due respect Fancy - I think gainful employment might be defined as employment that produces sufficient, reported "taxable" income (I know . . . that damn Uncle Sam). Taxable income used to pay into the social securities or retirement funds in which our Gub'ment deduct even more of our earnings from later. Wow - I guess I'm not making this sound very appealing am I? Lol!

So now you are saying that we don't pay our taxes? I claim my hobby money. I have had years where I owed the government THOUSANDS of dollars. And I paid it. I know for a FACT that my roomie pays her taxes as well, hers are so complicated that she has had an accountant for the entire 9 years I have known her. People that make a living through "vice" should have the mantra, "Remember Al Capone." Let us not make the same mistakes he did (and I am not talking about STDs, lol).

But to answer the original question...beside the fact that this IS gainful employment...it is not JUST about the money...it is about the time-freedom and not having to kiss people's asses that don't deserve it (in my RL line of work that is the thing I detest the most...putting up with people's unwarrented crap for the sole purpose of keeping my job).

It is about the freedom to turn away a client just because you don't like their attitude or something else about them and not be "fired" and have to start completely over. If I turn away a client I am still Marla, people will still come see me as long as I use tact and grace to turn away who-ever it was (this morning I used some humor, if you are reading this I hope you know it was all fun and no harm meant!).

In my RL field of work if I wished to dismiss a client I would have to quit or be fired and start completely over. NO MONEY COMING IN, at all. Reputation tarnished. Have to apply, interview for jobs, etc, etc.

So before I would hang up my provider hat completely (which is why I have come and gone over the years but NEVER announced a retirement) I would have to be 100% sure that the job I took I could TOLERATE IT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE and not regret what I have signed up for.

I hope that helps you put it into perspective. Of course I am also taking applications for an exclusive arrangement. Ring size 7, and no I will not sign a pre-nup

[Fancyinheels]

I also file and pay a hefty gulp of taxes like a good little girl every year under the IRS code for entertainer. Uncle Sam is more of a greedy ho than I am.

Nooooo to marriage proposals (although I like diamond rings), but yes to holidays and weekends for the right compensation package to unwrap your package. I particularly like basting at Thanksgiving, ringing Christmas bells, making like a bunny at Easter, fireworks on Independence Day, and I'll salute your little soldier with a bang on Memorial Day.

[Putanna Di Classe]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I also file and pay a hefty gulp of taxes like a good little girl every year under the IRS code for entertainer. Uncle Sam is more of a greedy ho than I am.

Nooooo to marriage proposals (although I like diamond rings), but yes to holidays and weekends for the right compensation package to unwrap your package. I particularly like basting at Thanksgiving, ringing Christmas bells, making like a bunny at Easter, fireworks on Independence Day, and I'll salute your little soldier with a bang on Memorial Day.

Amen to that! When biz is good all year HOT DAMN Uncle Sam is a greedy ho!

I think it is eye opening to me that not only are there misconceptions about escorts, like we are all on drugs, all been abused, etc, etc, but that this is a big misconception too...that escorts don't pay taxes. Gosh way back when I was a teenager and I danced in a club I paid my taxes then too. I must be stupid or something

[Reeltalk]

Ok ladies you've convinced me (or converted me) . . . IT IS gainful employment, and tax-worthy income.

Although truthfully, I never said "it" was not gainful employment nor did I say providers don't pay taxes. Nevertheless, I concede your point.

[Putanna Di Classe]

Originally Posted by Reeltalk

Ok ladies you've convinced me (or converted me) . . . IT IS gainful employment, and tax-worthy income.

Although truthfully, I never said "it" was not gainful employment nor did I say providers don't pay taxes. Nevertheless, I concede your point.

I guess Fancy and I double teamed you! Dogpile first thing in the morning, lol.

I am not sure that your original question has a cut-and-dry answer though, at least not for me. I have been "gainfully employed" in another profession for quite some time now and did in fact phase out of the hobby (didn't retire), but have recently chosen to come back fully to the hobby because sometimes there is not an amount of money on the face of the earth that would make it OK for me to have to put up with certain aspects of my RL job.

In retrospect, and considering your question, I wonder if there IS a magical amount of money. I think in my case the "job" would have to be one where co-workers and clients alike were required to respect you and treat you with dignity at all times. If that could be guaranteed...then I could probably come up with a salary that could entice me to leave the hobby for good and pursue that job instead. Since I am not sure such an utopian work atmosphere exists...I think I will be sticking around for a while.

[ItalianaPrincess]

A ring on my finger...preferrably the left ring finger.






XoXo
ItalianaPrincess

[ElisabethWhispers]

To answer your question, my amount needed would be in the ballpark of $70 - 80 thousand a year. Plus insurance and vacation time. A company retirement plan would be great as well.

I've been thinking about going back into real life employment and actually found a job that I thought would be perfect for me about two weeks ago.

The reason why I have not sent in a resume is it's only going to probably pay in the neighborhood of $45 - 50 thousand per year. Good benefits, though. I'm familiar with the place.

But with the long work hours that is required in a management position, and even with the invisible perks that this job will also have, it just wasn't worth applying. Also? In the non-profit world, everyone who has been laid off or were making substantially more in the business in years past, would be applying for this position. It's a fairly lofty one.

Maybe I'm just not ready to get back into the 8-5 (or in my past experience, 50-60 hour work week). I have NEVER liked traditional employment. And although I spend a lot more time than 50 hours on the computer and doing the admin work that is required of this ... and it's nearly ALL admin work believe it or not ... well, I'm with Fancy. This is a better opportunity for me.

But I am ALWAYS open to alternatives. And I've seriously entertained a few opportunities that have been out there.

I'm rattling again. In my opinion, it's pretty safe to assume that many ladies have thought about regular employment. There are advantages to it!

But what would we do for the constant pleasures that we enjoy??? If employed, we wouldn't have the time to mess around on a consistent basis with men!!! I would MISS that!

Interesting question!
Elisabeth

[Putanna Di Classe]

Originally Posted by ItalianaPrincess

A ring on my finger...preferrably the left ring finger.






XoXo
ItalianaPrincess

You are ever the romantic

That would prolly work though

Elizabeth seems to be on the right track also...comparing hours worked, benefits, perks, and then oh my gosh how could I forget the lack of playtime we would have if we worked 50-60 hours a week! Eeeek! We would have to become hobbyists!

[elgato111]

I appreciate what the ladies have said on this thread. Yes, this is a business that requires certain skills, other BCD ones, to be successful.

Like most have said, this economy has created a lot of unemployment and unemployable people. One never knows from one day to the next what is going to happen on the job, will the company fail, will I get a raise, will my insurance cost go up, etc. The only way to combat all this uncertainty is be your own boss.

I applaud all the fine ladies on here who do it their way, be independent of the corporate world. If we all had that kind of determination and work habits our sagging economy would be roaring back full force.

[hotlips_houlihan]

Originally Posted by Reeltalk

Question for the Providers: How much annual income would it take for some of you to resign from this profession if you had the opportunity to be guaranteed gainful employment (until retirement), with the opportunity to advance - along with decent healthcare benefits?

What’s the bare minimum amount (with possible advancements)?

Ok, I pay my taxes too and it's kicking my ass.

I have a regular job but it doesn't pay well enough.

So let me flip the tables and put the question back on you. Are you offering up an opportunity? Because if you are, PM me-I may just jump at it lol If it pays enough so that I can live comfortably, has good benefits and a retirement plan, I'm all in lol I'm not greedy-40k I can live comfortably. 50k I can live well. 70k I won't have a care in the world lol

Meg