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Wakeup · 05-22-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

They were the standard of the time, so people aspired to that.

Not true. They were rich. People aspired to be rich, just like we do with our rich people today. They weren't the standard, they were the exception, just as our mega-wealthy today.

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Not so sure that some of them weren't loved. Most famous art, paintings and sculptures from ancient Greece through the Renaissance well past the Reubensque era, shows very curvaceous women who would be considered plus-sized, possibly obese today.

Very true, ever wonder why? First, rich people could afford to commission people to paint their picture. Second, painters in the Renaissance were very fond of using hookers as their nude subjects. Kind of interesting...hookers back then and hookers now are a universal fat group...hmm...

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Interesting how near-anorexia has been encouraged only over the last century to become synonymous with beauty, but thankfully, that seems to be changing as more REAL women with natural, filled-out bodies take their places in the spotlight.

And therein lies the problem. We're changing NOT because we think normal weight is bad looking, we're changing because too many people think they'll never look like that and they're tired of being ridiculed for it. Fat people aren't being accepted because it's a better way of life or because people think it looks more "natural" or more "beautiful"...they're being accepted because we don't want to offend any of these lazy bastards.

As I said before...fuck that noise...

We've now changing to accept fat people because we're too lazy to change ourselves and we don't want to offend them...well done people. As part of the food and diet change initiative, our society is going to have to come to the hard conclusion that being fat ISN'T attractive, and being fat ISN'T healthy. The government is going to waste billions of tax dollars trying to convince all you fat people to stop being a drain on our society by showing you facts, figures and everything else, and in the end you're going to ignore all of that because you think you're attractive...

Got news for you...

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As long as a physician determines that a person is in good heath, and there are many "fat people" who have no heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, or breathing problems, what they tip the scales at is between them and their dietician.

Wrong again. This is just a classic excuse to avoid the work necessary to not be fat. You think things will stay this way for the entirety of their life? They WILL have health problems. They WILL cause lost productivity. They WILL have issues beyond what they have right this second. It's going to happen, and saying "I'm healthy now" is nothing but a fucking excuse...and when they're fat later in life, it'll be a hundred times harder to fix their problems, if not impossible...

Trey · 05-22-2012, 09:45 AM

You're never gonna get people to loose pounds like this. The first lady made the suggestion and fat people nation wide cry out they want junk "Don't tell me to feed my kids healthy food". Everyone is lazy now, look at the kids raised by tv and games and songs, but they still believe little johnny is a genius. Everyone says I'm healthy now so its all good. I said that same dumb shit, let me tell you it ain't all good later that's first hand right there. People take better care of their cars than they do themselves, if you treat your car the same way you treat yourself think what would happen. Maybe not the first year maybe not the second so all is good till one day bam. But you are not a car firestone can't fix you, now you got chronic illness.

But you see that's all wasted type, no one will listen to that. You can try till you're own heart gives out, but they don't listen. No on likes to be told, they have to see it some will wait still till they live it. You ever seen a man get his legs chopped off only to die a month later? Some will know this and live it, but for now its "that won't happen to me, god loves me, I'm special right?"

Wakeup · 05-22-2012, 10:14 AM

Perfectly aware Trey. Just the fact that I was the one who started this thread will make them disregard it entirely, let alone the fact that I presented it how I did. Realized this before I even wrote it. Fact is, it's still the truth, and needs to be said.

Fancyinheels · 05-22-2012, 10:27 AM

Wakeuр quotes in black:

Not true. They were rich. People aspired to be rich, just like we do with our rich people today. They weren't the standard, they were the exception, just as our mega-wealthy today. I should have been more specific. I meant they were the standard to be aspired to, not necessarily the standard body for the time.

Very true, ever wonder why? First, rich people could afford to commission people to paint their picture. Second, painters in the Renaissance were very fond of using hookers as their nude subjects. Kind of interesting...hookers back then and hookers now are a universal fat group...hmm... Mona Lisa was a hooker? I should be so lucky to be immortalized for my immorality. I'd have to do an in-depth analysis of several board's stats, but judging from the provider photos on ECCIE, not a true statement. Most seem pretty fit.

And therein lies the problem. We're changing NOT because we think normal weight is bad looking, we're changing because too many people think they'll never look like that and they're tired of being ridiculed for it. Fat people aren't being accepted because it's a better way of life or because people think it looks more "natural" or more "beautiful"...they're being accepted because we don't want to offend any of these lazy bastards. If you think that most women have or will ever look like our supermodels of the day, you're in dreamland. It's interesting that junk food is shoved at us by every advertising source, and at the same time women are supposed to be thin to be beautiful? Of course most of us are tired of being ridiculed and shoved toward a myth instead of practical reality. There doesn't seem to be an acceptable middle anymore. You're either fat or skinny. What happened to "average?" And why is it okay to offend fat people, but not drunks or dopers? Those addictions are "politically correct?" More below.

As I said before...fuck that noise...

We've now changing to accept fat people because we're too lazy to change ourselves and we don't want to offend them...well done people. As part of the food and diet change initiative, our society is going to have to come to the hard conclusion that being fat ISN'T attractive, and being fat ISN'T healthy. The government is going to waste billions of tax dollars trying to convince all you fat people to stop being a drain on our society by showing you facts, figures and everything else, and in the end you're going to ignore all of that because you think you're attractive... Those who want to change will do so, but not because of facts of figures. It's an emotional issue, and logic doesn't enter into it. Perhaps there should be a cap on spending for many problems, including alcoholism and drug abuse, which are similar addictions, yet seem to be so much more socially accepted than obesity. Let's get all the lazy bastards to stop smoking and drinking too much, too, as those are black holes for money. Why has addiction, in one form or another, been present with the human race from the beginning? Humans must be predisposed to overindulgence. Not an excuse, just an observation. (Btw, I don't THINK that I'm attractive, I know I am. Why am I still in business and celebrating 5 years as an escort on May 28th? Because I have a good personality?)

Got news for you...

Wrong again. This is just a classic excuse to avoid the work necessary to not be fat. You think things will stay this way for the entirety of their life? They WILL have health problems. They WILL cause lost productivity. They WILL have issues beyond what they have right this second. It's going to happen, and saying "I'm healthy now" is nothing but a fucking excuse...and when they're fat later in life, it'll be a hundred times harder to fix their problems, if not impossible... You're right; healthy now doesn't mean healthy later, but again you can't make a blanket statement that is true for everyone. My overweight greatgrandmother lived to be 98, held a full-time job until she was 90, never learned to drive, walked a gazillion miles and never lost an ounce, hardly ever went to a doctor. Maybe if she did she would have lived to be 108! My grandmother, another chunky Irish lady, lived to be 84, worked hard all her life, attracted a number of good-looking men (I inherited my sluttiness) until she settled on my grandpa, raised me, gardened every day until the day she died, became an active missionary after age 65 and went door-to-door with her Bible (obviously I was a total conversion failure), was only treated by a doctor for arthritis until brain cancer got her, not the potatoes, bread, and cake she was so fond of. My outsized Merchant Marine engineer Daddy drank like a fish and ate enough fried food to sink the Bismark, still climbed around ships like a spider, lived into his mid-seventies until asbestos-related leukemia got him. I guess genetics does play a hand.

Mutual respect unless someone is disrespectful is more important to me but seems less valued in your view on this subject, and you evidently believe a hard line of "tough love" (or maybe just impatient disgust) branding overweight people in total as a class of "fat, lazy bastards" is the way to go in expressing contempt. We shall never agree. Perhaps that's best. Perhaps that's what humans need, dissension. Pissed-off people accomplish a lot.

Wakeup · 05-22-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I meant they were the standard to be aspired to, not necessarily the standard body for the time.

Correct. Those slaves, servants and working class people aspired to be rich...they didn't aspire to be fat.

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

If you think that most women have or will ever look like our supermodels of the day, you're in dreamland.

Where did I say that supermodels were the perfect example of healthy?

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

It's interesting that junk food is shoved at us by every advertising source, and at the same time women are supposed to be thin to be beautiful?

Yes!!!! Of course junk food is advertised all up in your face every day, they want to make money! At the end of the day, it's your choice to eat it...PERIOD. Further, it's your choice to OVEREAT it. As I've said...almost anyone on this board can lose 5% of their body weight by changing not WHAT they eat, but HOW MUCH they eat. Eat that fucked up shit all you want...just realize when to stop in the day...

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Of course most of us are tired of being ridiculed and shoved toward a myth instead of practical reality.

"Practical reality"...synonym for "excuse"...almost anyone can do it, and again, the only people I excuse are the people who have a genetic disorder...

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

There doesn't seem to be an acceptable middle anymore. You're either fat or skinny. What happened to "average?" And why is it okay to offend fat people, but not drunks or dopers? Those addictions are "politically correct?"

I didn't start a thread about drunks, smokers or dopers. How I feel about them is irrelevant to this thread. While you're on it though...just think how much money our government has spent on "say no to drugs" and anti-smoking and anti-drinking campaigns and the amount of money all of us taxpayers have paid for the costs of those things. Now imagine the percentage of the population that smokes. That is a health worrying alcoholic. That is a drug addict. Put them all together, and it STILL won't be close to the number of people who are obese or will be obese in this country...

Imagine the amount of money involved and your wallet will explode...and that's what you're creating for us...

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Humans must be predisposed to overindulgence. Not an excuse, just an observation.

No...that IS an excuse...

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(Btw, I don't THINK that I'm attractive, I know I am. Why am I still in business and celebrating 5 years as an escort on May 28th? Because I have a good personality?)

What does one have to do with the other? You think people come to see you because you're attractive??? You're selling your pussy Fancy...you ever seen I-10 Melissa? Attractive has nothing to do with your profession...

You all can keep using that "my phone keeps ringing off the hook" as a rational for being "attractive" but take yourself out of the hooker world, plant yourself in a face to face salewoman position and see how you compare to the attractive, fit blonde next to you in sales...

Your pussy is what matters to the idiotic fucktards...nothing else. Very few of us have actual standards for what pussy we pay for...

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Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Mutual respect unless someone is disrespectful is more important to me but seems less valued in your view on this subject, and you evidently believe a hard line of "tough love" (or maybe just impatient disgust) branding overweight people in total as a class of "fat, lazy bastards" is the way to go in expressing contempt. We shall never agree. Perhaps that's best. Perhaps that's what humans need, dissension. Pissed-off people accomplish a lot.

Exactly...being nice to people has simply encouraged the problem over the past three decades...it's time for a good dose of reality to the face, because you people obviously don't get it.

What's funny is that no matter how much people hate me...no matter how much they rail against me here...they're still considering the core of what I'm saying...and some of them are choosing to do something about it...that's what matters...

oilfieldscum · 05-22-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Perfectly aware Trey. Just the fact that I was the one who started this thread will make them disregard it entirely, let alone the fact that I presented it how I did. Realized this before I even wrote it. Fact is, it's still the truth, and needs to be said.

On a SHMB?

Fancyinheels · 05-22-2012, 12:53 PM

I didn't start a thread about drunks, smokers or dopers. How I feel about them is irrelevant to this thread. While you're on it though...just think how much money our government has spent on "say no to drugs" and anti-smoking and anti-drinking campaigns and the amount of money all of us taxpayers have paid for the costs of those things. Now imagine the percentage of the population that smokes. That is a health worrying alcoholic. That is a drug addict. Put them all together, and it STILL won't be close to the number of people who are obese or will be obese in this country... Show me the stats on that, Wakeup. Not sure you'll be able to because more people can be documented as obese, but there are many that won't admit to being alcohol or drug abusers. I think the numbers are probably pretty close.

You may call it an excuse, but no doubt, humans are predisposed to overindulgence. If it weren't true, we would not have addictions to begin with. The animal kingdom isn't this messed up. (Well, maybe boardman and his cats. Quitting catnip can be a bitch.)

.... You think people come to see you because you're attractive??? You're selling your pussy Fancy...you ever seen I-10 Melissa? Attractive has nothing to do with your profession... I disagree. Men have a choice of pussy. Those who just wanted ANY pussy could go to someone WAY cheaper than me. There's got to be attraction between people on some level, physical or mental, or all appointments with all hookers wouldn't last over 15 minutes. My appointments run 2-3 hours. (And nooo, they aren't tied up.)

You all can keep using that "my phone keeps ringing off the hook" as a rational for being "attractive" but take yourself out of the hooker world, plant yourself in a face to face salewoman position and see how you compare to the attractive, fit blonde next to you in sales... Never said my phone rings off the hook. I'm not that vain. Obviously I'm making a living at this, and I'm grateful. Btw, I HAD a sales position (among many positions I've enjoyed) and in that case, knowledge and product familiarity beat bimbo. I became a manager. You are correct in that people do often discriminate on the basis of looks, but I have no doubts about my skills in the real world. I just enjoy the fantasy one more. (And I hate getting up early for a 9-5er.)

Your pussy is what matters to the idiotic fucktards...nothing else. Very few of us have actual standards for what pussy we pay for... Um, then like I said, why aren't they going for CHEAP pussy? Why do I, and many other ladies, get higher donations, lovely gifts, taken on vacations? Don't bother answering that here, as it will just be demeaning to the gents. Save it for another thread disparaging fucktards spoiling escorts before soiling them.

Exactly...being nice to people has simply encouraged the problem over the past three decades...it's time for a good dose of reality to the face, because you people obviously don't get it. "You people?" Boy, if that isn't a statement coined in bigotry, I don't know what is. But you're entitled to your views. I obviously did "get it," or I would have STAYED 400 pounds instead of working my way down to 200, which is obviously still too much for you. But nobody "shamed" me into doing that. My choice.

What's funny is that no matter how much people hate me...no matter how much they rail against me here...they're still considering the core of what I'm saying...and some of them are choosing to do something about it...that's what matters... I think they're considering the core of this thread and all the information in it, not your ill-presented rude cracks. Don't hate the messenger? Why the f**k not?

At any rate, I'm tired of the back and forth. We're beating dead horses now. You want the last word? Have at it. I have a dinner date to get ready for at a nice restaurant. Yeah, just any pussy gets to go out in style on 3 continents and be paid for it. (This fat chick has been pretty damned lucky, evidently.) I thought that was why men went to providers in the first place, to drop the need for dinner and flowers and rigamarole and just get to the sex part and then depart? Some evidently enjoy spending extended time with the hookers of their choice for whatever reason, bless 'em.

dearhunter · 05-22-2012, 01:36 PM

Stupid fucktards......ijs.

tbone2u · 05-22-2012, 05:14 PM

Damn....and all this time I thought I-10 Melissa was a fox

carkido45 · 05-22-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wakeuр

I said it wasn't "chili" by the Texas definition...I never said it wasn't good. It's really good. I haven't ever bought into the "if it's good for you it tastes like shit" thing.

Please stop throwing around this stupid hooker line...no one believes it when all of you whip it out...

Please...people don't get points for calling me a pussy...they get medals...

Don't forget he's not only a pussy but he's a stinky one at that .

Wakeup · 05-22-2012, 06:01 PM

You so funny...

carkido45 · 05-22-2012, 06:04 PM

Did you ever notice how many of the Latina providers have healthy bodies.
WakeUp you complain about to many providers being fat but yet you limit yourself to only one color of provider if you notice most of the Latinas are some of the fittest providers here along with the Asian providers .

I saw a Latina just recently who was smoking banging body here' a pic

Wakeup · 05-22-2012, 09:05 PM

You have a point?

DEAR_JOHN · 05-22-2012, 09:11 PM

251 replies to this thread. How funny is that?

Even though I like wakeup, I realize that sometimes he gets pretty much out of line with his postings and this thread is one of them. Get him away from a keyboard and he's actually a nice and intelligent man.

Then again, I could care less what wakeup or anybody else thinks about obese people, and it's a shame some of you others didn't take this route.

I believe that if it would have been some newbie with wakeup's in your face postings on this thread, they may have been banned or had many points by now. I guess he gets a pass and has latitude to make many rude postings where newbies aren't allowed this privilege. I can't believe some mod didn't send him some sort of pm suggesting or telling him to chill out or lighten up with his in your face remarks. I guess board management most likely thinks his postings are just 'wakeup being wakeup'. Even though this is an adult board, that doesn't mean that people can't use tact to make a point.

I think that at the end of the day, he went fishing, and threw his line in the water. He hooked a bunch of you. I would suggest next time he gets on one of his tirades, to just ignore the thread and move on. It isn't worth the time and effort to engage in internet battles with him or anybody else.

Lastly did anybody notice the post with the most likes, well here it is.

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Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

Wakeups rants are not going to make one soul lose an ounce. People have to realize what they want for themselves not make decisions based on some dude on a health kick typing on a hooker board.

NIKKILOVE · 05-22-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

251 replies to this thread. How funny is that?

Even though I like wakeup, I realize that sometimes he gets pretty much out of line with his postings and this thread is one of them. Get him away from a keyboard and he's actually a nice and intelligent man.

Then again, I could care less what wakeup or anybody else thinks about obese people, and it's a shame some of you others didn't take this route.

I believe that if it would have been some newbie with wakeup's in your face postings on this thread, they may have been banned or had many points by now. I guess he gets a pass and has latitude to make many rude postings where newbies aren't allowed this privilege. I can't believe some mod didn't send him some sort of pm suggesting or telling him to chill out or lighten up with his in your face remarks. I guess board management most likely thinks his postings are just 'wakeup being wakeup'. Even though this is an adult board, that doesn't mean that people can't use tact to make a point.

I think that at the end of the day, he went fishing, and threw his line in the water. He hooked a bunch of you. I would suggest next time he gets on one of his tirades, to just ignore the thread and move on. It isn't worth the time and effort to engage in internet battles with him or anybody else.

Lastly did anybody notice the post with the most likes, well here it is.

Yep, you are right... the person he first personally directed, rude, uncalled for comments towards..was "warned" by mods for saying much less than he has. Go figure!!