Grendel P-30 Magnum

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by burkalini

I understand the need for protection

Isn't that what condoms are for???

[anova444]

I won't be taking it to the shooting range or firing it at all. It's never been fired and I'm going to keep it that way for the new owner. I got a great deal on it and it will go for $200.00 to $500.00 It's a rare gun with a rare quality. Shortly after Grendel began to make them, Clinton banned high capacity in had guns. The rare quality that this gun has is that it's a 30 round semi-automatic hand gun.

So, I decided to take a chance and buy it.

[Jackie S]

You should pass. The P-30 was only manufactured for about four years, the biggest complaint was it is butt ugly.

To do the kind of shooting you want to do, a 22 Magnum is not that good of a choice. A pistol, such as a High Standard, (another straight blow back semi auto), in 22 LR is a much better choice. Mainly due to the cost of the ammo.

That, and parts in case anything breaks. They are very scarce for the P-30.

An individule in Texas can buy a firearm from another individule with nothing more than a handshake. There are simply a lot better choices out there .

By the way, if you are thinking at all of using this for defense, don't. Small caliber pistols are good for making a big man mad, unless you haver the skill, and fortitude, to hit something really vital. Not many do.

[Eccie Addict]

Alot of what Jackie has said I agree with. However I can see the OP's reason here as well, she said "taking a chance" and the fact that she says she won't be firing it tells me she isn't buying it for defense.

However Jackie I was taught that the best defense firearm to have is the one you feel comfortable with. One that shoots where you point. It's better to hit with a 22 than to miss with a 45 any day.

[Ed Highlight]

As long as you're not planning on using it like the couple did if the following report:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/28/...ath/index.html

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[London Rayne]

I only mess with tiny guns that are easy to load, shoot, and hide. If you live in New Orleans and you pull a gun...you better be ready to use it and not miss. Most everyone I know has been robbed or mugged at least twice, and it's always at gunpoint. There is a class you can take in Miss. to be a Bounty Hunter in less than a week lol. What does that mean? You can legally carry a gun on your person. Gotta love the dirty south!

[offshoredrilling]

You do not want to go to big. When I first got my 44 mag, fatory loads where good to kill a car. Took me a few trys to find the right hand load for deer and bear hunting. Dirty Harry movie is fun to watch. Reality, its not a good carry gun. For many reasons.

[Laurentius]

I'm just psyched to be picking up a new FNAR tomorrow morning. It'll be the sexiest thing I've seen in a couple of weeks. LOL

Living in the north, for winter carry I take my GP100 in .357 magnum -- it penetrates coats. For summer carry, I use my Glock 17 in 9mm.

Of course, I have a few different ones for special purposes.

I see both arguments as valid and not mutually exclusive. One should carry the largest caliber with which one is comfortable and able to consistently hit the target. A hit with a .22 is more deadly than a miss with a .44. But a hit with a .44 is best of all.

Of course, if a gun is being purchased for collection purposes, none of these considerations apply.

[anova444]

Originally Posted by Laurentius

I'm just psyched to be picking up a new FNAR tomorrow morning. It'll be the sexiest thing I've seen in a couple of weeks. LOL

Living in the north, for winter carry I take my GP100 in .357 magnum -- it penetrates coats. For summer carry, I use my Glock 17 in 9mm.

Of course, I have a few different ones for special purposes.

I see both arguments as valid and not mutually exclusive. One should carry the largest caliber with which one is comfortable and able to consistently hit the target. A hit with a .22 is more deadly than a miss with a .44. But a hit with a .44 is best of all.

Of course, if a gun is being purchased for collection purposes, none of these considerations apply.

That's exactly why I bought it. I like the novelty points, and I don't plan on shooting it ever. I only plan to sell it.
I plan to go to the shooting range in a couple of weeks to find the perfect gun for me to keep and shoot. I'll let you know what I've chosen. I'm thinking some the petite and very shiny that will fit in a thigh holster.

[Eccie Addict]

Petite is good but personally I wouldn't get one that's shiney. Reason being is it would be easier to notice. If you were in a defense situation at your home and were hiding a shiney firearm has more of a chance of giving away where you are than a black one. Just my opinion.

[missfuntimes]

My friend informed me that if that gun was banned by govt. then it's an automatic federal case if you are caught with it, so I would check that first befor you purchase or try to sell. Said that if you take the banned gun to a shooting range they will call ATF..... so do your research first so you dont get in any unnecessary trouble! I'm not up with those laws, so dont take my word on it, just thought I'd add the info they mentioned so that you can be aware of it possibly being true. Mentioned you may like BERSA 9mm.

On a personal note, I have a military father and grew up with all kinds of guns in the house. My personal fav is the glock 9! Powerful looking and packs a mean punch! LOL But I think 22's are good for women since they're "cute" and do their job.

[anova444]

It's not banned. The production of a high capacity hand gun is no longer allowed. I researched it before I bought it.

[Chainsaw Anthropologist]

The P-30 truly is no longer manufactured......however the owner of what was Grendel is now operating another company named Kel-Tec and imagine this, they have just introduced the PMR-30 an updated version of the former P-30!

See here for current catalog of Kel-Tec arms ,if you click on the arrows on the right, the pistol in the center will move about and show you a lot about itself:
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/

Regarding the P-30, it's magazine and magazine capacity, here's a comment in that regard:

UNDERSTANDING THE FEDERAL "ASSAULT WEAPONS" BAN
David S. Markowitz

Slightly revised 4/23/2000.

<< On September 13, 1994, a ban on newly-manufactured "assault weapons" went into effect. Aside from enacting a law of dubious Constitutionality and utility, Congress also created a field of landmines for law-abiding gun owners. I continually see posts in online discussion groups asking what constitutes an "assault weapon." I therefore have created this outline to help you understand this law. Note that the AWB and the high capacity magazine ban do not apply to the military or to law enforcement agencies.
(Note: At the same time the AWB was enacted, a ban on "high capacity" or "large capacity" feeding devices (magazines) was also enacted. This will be dealt with after the AWB.)
First off, the AWB only applies to semiautomatic guns manufactured after its effectivetured after its effective date, i.e., September 13, 1994. Guns manufactured before this date do not> need to be turned in or modified to comply with the law's provisions.
Generally speaking, it is the part of the gun bearing the serial number which determines when the gun was manufactured. This is virtually always the receiver or frame, although the SN may also be stamped elsewhere on the gun, such as the slide, in addition to being on the frame. For example, on the AR-15 and its clones, the serial number is stamped on the lower receiver. This is the part by which the date of manufacture will be determined.
Please note that the definitions of "assault weapon" and many other terms in this law are specific to this law. They are not necessarily the definitions used by the people who actually use these weapons, like the military, or will be found in a knowledgeable source such as my own Glossary of Firearms Terms.
Rifles:
Any semiautomatic rifle made after 9/13/94, which can accept a detachable magazine and which has two or more of the following characteristics is a banned AW:

• Folding or telescoping stock,
• Pistol grip which protrudes conspicuously below the action of the gun,
• Bayonet mount,
• Flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor,sh suppressor,
• Grenade launcher.

I have seen AR-15 clones advertised which, although they aren't fitted with a flash hider, do have a muzzlebreak on the end of the barrel. If this is threaded on the gun would appear to posses the threaded-barrel feature, even if there's no flash suppressor on the gun. For this to be legal, the muzzlebrake must be permanently attached, e.g., with silver solder. Be careful!
Pistols:
Any semiautomatic pistol made after 9/13/94 which can accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics is a banned AW:

• The magazine attaches to the gun outside of a magazine well inside the pistol grip,
• Threaded muzzle which can accept a flash suppressor, barrel extension, etc.,
• As manufactured, a weight of 50 ounces or more unloaded,
• Barrel shroud/heat shield which allows the shooter to grasp the weapon with the offhand when shooting without getting burned,
• A semiautomatic version of a fully automatic weapon.

Shotguns:
Any semiautomatic shotgun manufactured after 9/13/94 that has at least two of the following features is a banned AW:

• Folding or telescoping stock,lescoping stock,
• Pistol grip which protrudes conspicuously below the action of the gun,
• Fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds,
• The ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Exceptions to the AWB:

• Guns manufactured on or before the effective date of the AWB, 9/13/94.
• Any firearm listed in 22 U.S.C. §922, Appendix A, as such were manufactured before 10/1/93, and replicas/duplicates of such guns. Most of these guns are historic or hunting weapons, not typical AWs.
• Manually operated guns, e.g., bolt action, slide action, or lever action.
• Semiautomatic rifle which cannot accept a detachable magazine, e.g., unmodified military-issue SKS carbines.
• Semiautomatic shotguns which cannot hold more than five rounds in the magazine.
• Firearms considered "antiques" under federal law, e.g., made before 1898 or muzzleloaders.
• Guns modified so that they can never be fired (i.e., "rendered permanently inoperable").

The High Capacity Magazine Ban:
Also part of the 1994 Crime Bill was a ban on newly-manufactured detachable magazines (aka "clips") which hold more than 10 rounds. The ban also was supposed to applywas supposed to apply to tubular magazines which do not detach from the magazine and hold ammunition other than .22 rimfires. However, an exception has been effected for tubular magazines on lever action centerfire rifles. For example, you can legally buy Winchester 94s in .45 Colt which hold more than 10 rounds, and which were made after 9/94.
Penalties for Violating the AWB or the High Capacity Magazine Ban:
If you get caught violating either law, you are subject to a $5,000 fine and/or up to 5 years in prison. Since this is a felony, you also lose your right to ever again own a firearm, unless you can get the right back from a court (which is not likely).
In conclusion, regardless of their Constitutionality or effect on crime, it is in your best interests as a gun owner to understand the provisions of the 1994 AWB and high capacity magazine ban.>>



This is basically what it WAS, much of this no longer applies as it expired during the Bush administration and fortunately has not been reinstated by the current administration. Wiki can give you a good background on the whole situation.

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by anova444

I won't be taking it to the shooting range or firing it at all. It's never been fired and I'm going to keep it that way for the new owner. I got a great deal on it and it will go for $200.00 to $500.00 It's a rare gun with a rare quality. Shortly after Grendel began to make them, Clinton banned high capacity in had guns. The rare quality that this gun has is that it's a 30 round semi-automatic hand gun.

So, I decided to take a chance and buy it.

Good plan, you never know how much a novelty gun like this will go up in value, but rest assured it will go up. (Just Saw Chainsaw's post, even with the introduction of the Kel-Tec some collectors will want examples of both. So, while the newer offering may slow the appreciation, it probably won't decrease the value too much unless Kel-Tec is selling dirt cheap.)

If you decide to become a recreational shooter, which is a great hobby, I suggest a standard .22 (not .22 magnum) due to the cost of ammo. Older guns like High Standard and the Ruger MkII (stay clear of the newer MK III), and the venerable Browning Buck Mark are all great.

As for self defense, my advice as a shooter for well over 40 years is to get a large dog. He'll be better company, won't hesitate to act, and doesn't take years of practice. Any inexperienced shooter who buys a gun for self defense should go hunting first and kill some helpless (preferably cute) animals. If you can't do that without remorse, well. . .

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

As for self defense, my advice as a shooter for well over 40 years is to get a large dog. He'll be better company, won't hesitate to act, and doesn't take years of practice. Any inexperienced shooter who buys a gun for self defense should go hunting first and kill some helpless (preferably cute) animals. If you can't do that without remorse, well. . .

This is great advice.

About the dog. You'll have to train him/her very well. A quality dog will cost you, and the training will cost you even more. Keeping him/her healthy is expensive also. S/he's gotta be trained to leave you and any "friend" alone at the incall unless your friend gets out of line. This kind of training is expensive, but well worth it and much better company than a pistol.

Read up on the breeds. Some are better than others at this kind of thing. I think it was one of the branches of military that went to Dobermans because once you gave the "attack" command, you couldn't recall it. Generally speaking, I think, German Shepherds tend to be the best breeds for this kind of training. Another breed that should be considered is a Rottweiler, although they tend to be somewhat mean and uncontrollable for my taste.

Keep in mind these are all big dogs. They'll need good daily exercise, and if you don't have a large back yard in which they can run around, you'll have to be pretty intentional about exercising them. If you're a runner, you can train them to run with you. In a city like Dallas, there are probably lots of places for exercise for a dog.

There are other popular breeds you might look at, but I'm not sure how well the fit the "guard" dog profile.