Lesson 2: Screening

[Lily Blair]

Note: This isnt a thread about how to screen. It's a thread about why and is therefore equally pertinent for both gentlemen and providers.

This topic sometimes seems like a dead horse that keeps getting beaten over and over. But in recent months I've noticed that some don't completely grasp how it could affect the community, particularly some of our nice new gentlemen. I understand though--I honestly didn't get it until someone explained it to me when I was new, though it seems like common sense now. Huck and Random always do a great job of asking whether or not a lady screens. I've seen some pretty comical answers to that question, like "just screened me by talking on the phone a little and asked if I was a cop" or "not really, it's so easy to make an appointment with her!" or "she just asked me to get comfortable and we both took our clothes off to make sure the other wasn't a cop." By the way, at that point it's too late. You WILL be arrested if you walk into a bust, period, no matter what you do or don't say, but thats another conversation for another day. Not screening or doing very inadequate screening is not a positive quality in a provider. And here's why...

Think about reference checking the same as getting a flu shot, but imagine that if u get the flu, you'll automatically be arrested for solicitation. So if I don't get a flu shot, and I get the flu, and then I have a date with you, then you get the flu as well. You're family will know you have the flu, and they'll be affected by it too. But if everyone got a flu shot, then it would become very very unlikely that one of us would get the flu, and even if one of us did, it's even less likely that it could spread.

If youre no good with analogies, I'll break it all down for you:

1. Susie doesn't check references. She might check them sometimes, but sometimes may just as well be never considering that we never know when something bad could happen.

2. You call her and she tells you to come on over. Whew, well that was easy! You go to see Susie and you like her, or maybe you don't like her so much but you'd see her again if the price was right.

3. Because Susie doesn't check references, she easily finds herself wrapped up in a bust and is arrested.

4. But wait, she's then told that she'll have an easier time with the whole ordeal if she helps them to catch a few others. Even if she didn't want to cooperate, she might have a really big mouth and love the sound of her own voice, and then who knows what all she'll tell them.

5. You happen to call Susie again, or maybe she actually contacts you about a very discounted special she's running.

6. You walk in to see Susie and before you know it, you've taken the handcuffs instead of her.

7. But wait, you're then told that you'll have an easier time with the whole ordeal if you help them catch some providers.

8. You set up an appointment with a couple of ladies and the next thing you know, they're in trouble too. However, the cops lied. You're being charged anyway.

Susie doesn't check = she's arrested = you're arrested = I'm arrested

See how it spreads like the flu? I check references and got my flu shot, therefore you won't be getting the flu from me. But the next time you make an appointment with a lady who doesn't ask you for references, ask yourself if it's likely that she'll get the flu eventually and pass it on to you. Or you can get your own flu shot by refusing to see ladies who don't screen. That way only the people who didn't get their flu shots can play together and just keep passing the flu around with each other, leaving the rest of us healthy and out of trouble.

So the next time you think "Hey awesome, she didn't even try to screen me! That was so easy!", think again. It's just as smart as going around licking all of the art supplies in a fifth grade classroom. You might as well call and make your doctor's appointment now-- you're getting the flu dude.

[Sweet N Little]

Excellent way to break it down for an easy lesson #2 Lilly, no one wants the flu

[ali*cat]

I agree on screening on 100% and I will ALWAYS SCREEN no ifs and or buts!! But in my opinion, it is not always 100% fool proof, a woman's intuition is more reliable in my opinion then any screening method out there, street smarts is not something you are born with or can be taught. They are obtained by your life experiences and to me, reading between the lines when you are screening tells more about a potential client than the words that come out of their mouths. sure they can give you the answers you want to hear, but what I personally look for is whether or not it is like pulling teeth to get that info, are they willing to offer it before you even have to ask? Are they hesitant to admit who they have seen in the past? are they hesitant in admiting they have never done this before? That's where screening has always helped me out, READ BETWEEN THE LINES! and check those references anyone can look on a web site see a girl they like and say Oh I have seen so and so at a {insert bullsh*t location here}. But here is what I think, We ALL got started somewhere, whether it be backpage, craigslist, etc. Unless you were taught by a former provider I can almost GUARANTEE you had never thought of or heard of good screening techniques. Everyone has to learn, hopefully it is BEFORE they get us all in hot water, but we should be willing to help these new people out by offering sound advice, making ourselves accessible, leading by example. If a newby isn't willing to take the advice they can't say it wasn't offered here. But Day-um Lily if I didn't know and like you girl I would be scared to call and ask you anything about anything if I were brand new to ECCIE. I realize this info needs to be put out there, but babygirl your getting all preachy teachy on us!! LOL!

[ali*cat]

The only point I was really trying to make was just because people may screen differently than you and I doesn't mean they are doing it all wrong. Lily is just offering her advice, Thank you Lily, As long as people aren't getting popped or spilling out client/provider info than they have the right to screen as they see fit. Doesn't mean they shouldn't take the advice Lily listed above and store it away in their memory for future reference. . . I'm just saying, it's our differences that make us unique and special. Love ya Lily-Poo Didn't mean that bad in any way, shape or form, Sorry if it sounded that way!! XOXO's

[Article15]

Preachy or not it's a good reminder. That said, I'd be curious to know how best to screen from a client standpoint? I check here usually, but in the area I live (NWA) there aren't a lot of options. So, long and short, I've been known to use BP. However, with all the busts up here it's certainly enough to make me paranoid. So, anyone have a short list of good approaches to screening a provider?

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by ali*cat

The only point I was really trying to make was just because people may screen differently than you and I doesn't mean they are doing it all wrong. Lily is just offering her advice, Thank you Lily, As long as people aren't getting popped or spilling out client/provider info than they have the right to screen as they see fit. Doesn't mean they shouldn't take the advice Lily listed above and store it away in their memory for future reference. . . I'm just saying, it's our differences that make us unique and special. Love ya Lily-Poo Didn't mean that bad in any way, shape or form, Sorry if it sounded that way!! XOXO's

I actually didnt say a word as to HOW to screen. The post was explaining why its important. Not sure how you could find an argument to that.

[ali*cat]

my apologies, mistook the meaning

[Lily Blair]

But if you ever do have any questions on HOW to screen, please ask privately. I was taught by Miss Shelby Sinful and Lexi Love--the best of the best!

@Article--you'll have to ask the gentlemen about that one. My only advice would be to research the reviews, but if what you mean is how to screen ladies who have no reviews, then I really don't know what to tell you. There's no really good method I don't think. I'm sure Giz has some ideas though. He's been chasing strange for decades now

[mssassy]

Lily you are right screening is very important. ( i will be pm you for tips on better screening as I am in the process of making some more changes and as I have said before I respect you as a provider)


Now I know I am about to make a whole bunch of you mad at me and I apologize now .Mods due to the topic and the climate this does need to be said to be fair .

Referancing checking is only going to work if the provider who is being called for referance picks up her phone/answers her email or pm.

Regrettfully the sad truth is that not all providers (verified or not) respond to every referance check from every provider who contacts them. Why? Maybe its personal maybe its because they are bp girl or whatever the reason ...

In any case it then puts the provider trying to check a referance in a position of whether or not to take the risk of seeing the said hobbyist in question . The sad part is that some providers will take that gamble and see the would be hobbyist for whatever reasons


I had this happen once I contacted a respected well known provider for a referance check she refused to answer well i went ahead and saw said hobbyist and it was no harm no foul luckily but the point it did me no good to check referances because that provider refused to cooperate.

So now do we as providers have a moral responsiliblity to answer each referance check from every provider that contacts us regardless of our personal feelings or where they advertise? I say yes but perhaps i am wrong

Ali you are right instinct does play a factor and so does technology (so many amazing programs that can assist in screening.)

But once again Lily you are right Screening is very necessary and all of us providers should learn from each other. Perhaps there could be an area only visible to providers where things such as this can be posted without fear of the wrong person seeing it? .. or is there such an area?

Just a thought and I hope it doesnt make anyone mad but knowing me I am sure I already have.

[Lily Blair]

The national ladies only forum has a section called "Escorting 101". It's loaded with advice on everything from screening to touring to favorite condoms and lube. http://www.eccie.net/forumdisplay.php?f=834

Sorry, no boys allowed

[ali*cat]

Just to clarify AGAIN! I never said screening was unnecessary! I screen EACH AND EVERY call, EACH AND EVERY TIME, for a reason, I BELIEVE in it! I'm just pointing out not getting popped, IMHO, involves about 80% good screening, 15 % intuition, and 5% luck!

[guest071811-3]

actually its about 95% luck and 5% screening..considering its well known the screening requirements that ladies use.. LE has work arounds in place.. and in the end all you do really is put your mind at ease..

fact is.. screening is needed and helps..as long as the person has a good history to screen.. if they only have 1 or 2 or even 3 girls.. if even one of them is unsafe..you may never know..

this hobby is a risk..plain and simple.. if you are not willing to live with what comes with that risk, then its best you do something else..thats both girls and guys.. the risk is great and far greater now than ever that you can get busted..

screening puts a girl at ease, it makes her feel like she has done everything she can to ensure her safety..it often works..is it because the of the screening? or just once again she got lucky? considering that LE can,has and does create fake employment, p411 accounts, reviews, has references, work numbers etc.. its not the screening its more so she once again got lucky..

i mean how many REAL quality guys miss out because they failed screening? probably ALOT.. perhaps the girl goes with her gut, perhaps the references don't completely sound good..there may be a whole lot of things..that leads to a nice, paying customer being refused service

how many girls get popped all the time thinking they covered their basis? the references checked out, the employment was able to be checked, everything seemed right.. yet it wasn't

point being.. screening has been and always will be around.. its needed and has a place and a point to it.. but does it really keep one out of trouble? or are you just lucky yet again?

and one more point.. all you gotta do is show up..you show up..you go downtown.. you will argue your point with a judge..the cops don't give a damn..

I encourage all to screen.. however..in these tough times..will a provider be willing to answer reverse screening from potential clients who based on LILLY'S scenerios are at just as much risk as the provider? should clients begin to ask for real info? see i.d? reverse screen to ensure the safety enviroment comes full circle?

[MrGiz]

I would have to say that luck is involved 100% of the time.... but to say that luck accounts for 95% of a girl's safety history, over time, is a bit of BS.... just my opinion.

Giz

[mssassy]

thanks lily i will check out that later on today.I appreciate the info. Deanna once again you are right but then so is Ali.


Screening is necessary by technology (lots of good programs out there) instinct etc.

We must never forget that the very same le who are doing their job and doing their stings are current hobbyist or have been hobbyist in the past or have friends who are hobbyist or so on and so on. So when providers screen unfornately they maybe screening the man who may eventually assist in taking them downtown. Thats a sad fact and one that we all know is one we cant ever forget.

Another fact like it or not in these tough economic times alot of le have secondary jobs that they can use as referances for p411 etc. So once again how do we know for sure? we dont...

Screening by any and all means , luck, instincts , commucation among providers and hobbyist etc all need to be used to better to keep the community as a whole safe.

[Guest032514-1]

Hey Lily,

How about "My name is dumfuker and that's all you get."?

Tighten that flu analogy up a bit (shorter)and I'll put it on my screening page w/link back to you.