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DallasRain · 11-03-2010, 09:11 PM

I wanna be your porn star girlfriend!!!

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 12:51 PM

Seems as if PSE for both seems to be more service and attitude based.

Would anyone consider CBJ service a PSE activity?

London Rayne · 11-07-2010, 12:59 PM

I consider PSE any date in which the girl never gets a break. For instance, any more than 2 pops in an hour is PSE in my book. When the guy comes in and wants a hole to fill or a cum bucket there to just unload on, it's a pse whether she does greek, cim or whatever. If more than 75 percent of the time is her working on you, it's a PSE.

GFE is MUTUAL satisfaction and participation IMO, regardless of whether the services are covered or not.

Having said that, I vote for number 6.

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by London Rayne

I consider PSE any date in which the girl never gets a break.

I dont think this is a realistic expectation for both, maybe in half hours and quickys maybe.

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For instance, any more than 2 pops in an hour is PSE in my book

Wouldnt that just be MSOG.

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If more than 75 percent of the time is her working on you, it's a PSE.

I think I agree with this, if its an hour session or less. By your estimate, If a guy took 45 minutes too achieve doing only intercourse he would be more hands on and PSE correct. So what time frame or percentage of time is normal intercourse wise to be GFE sex. Seems very subjective without that info.

What if it was a 2 hour booking and minus the time of BFE/GFE activities his 1st bell after sex was 45 minutes? Would another 15 to 20 mins CFS in the next hour be termed PSE?

I actually thought #6 would be the most popular for ladies, Im kinda glad I was wrong.

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 01:46 PM

Im also curious about overnights, and ladies opinion on what they entail. . I consider myself BFE and try to do things that would warrant GFE/PSE during it. Massages, prolonged DATY, etc depending on what she likes. I think for most of the twelve hour bookings I had thus far, For the entire duration of the night most times I have maybe 3 to 4 bells maybe 35 percent time wise of a twelve hour booking. With Im sure 40 percent of the time sleeping, and the rest catering t to what she likes.

Ladies, would you consider that PSE time wise, or a mix if shes also involved.

burkalini · 11-07-2010, 01:50 PM

Here we go again. In the gfe poll we had alot of disagreement. In the BFE poll no real dissagreement. And now the PSE the dissagreements come in again. It seems when the hobbyist try to define something it always creates an issue. Just an observation

London Rayne · 11-07-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gimme_that

I dont think this is a realistic expectation for both, maybe in half hours and quickys maybe.

Wouldnt that just be MSOG.

I think I agree with this, if its an hour session or less. By your estimate, If a guy took 45 minutes too achieve doing only intercourse he would be more hands on and PSE correct. So what time frame or percentage of time is normal intercourse wise to be GFE sex. Seems very subjective without that info.

What if it was a 2 hour booking and minus the time of BFE/GFE activities his 1st bell after sex was 45 minutes? Would another 15 to 20 mins CFS in the next hour be termed PSE?

I actually thought #6 would be the most popular for ladies, Im kinda glad I was wrong.

Man you make me think too much lol. I don't offer half hours, so I am speaking of the hours and no it's not simply msog/gfe if the girl is just there for him to unload on...it's PSE.

Longer dates I feel the same way, but I am already charging a hell of a lot so I don't care how many times they go. A standard dinner date for me is half and half based on 3-4 hours, so they are free to wear me out all they want...I am getting the rate I feel is right. I am more referring to low ballers who think I am going to do it all and then some, but don't want to pay for it. If they don't interact with me, it's not GFE so don't expect to get the lowest rate possible.

On the one hand they want to gripe and speculate on what GFE is, and when they have it presented to them they really want a PSE...just don't want to pay for it.

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 02:52 PM

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Longer dates I feel the same way, but I am already charging a hell of a lot so I don't care how many times they go.

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If they don't interact with me, it's not GFE so don't expect to get the lowest rate possible.

So if a hefty premium is paid, all of the above scenarios discussed are permissable suddenly? I guess money paid is the perferred service activity and most important to distinguish and validate GFE BFE or PSE. Got it.

London Rayne · 11-07-2010, 02:54 PM

Thanks for paying attention lol.

It's only because my rates are different for both gfe and pse. If they were all inclusive money would not matter, because I would be offering all of the above no matter what.

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by burkalini

Here we go again. In the gfe poll we had alot of disagreement. In the BFE poll no real dissagreement. And now the PSE the dissagreements come in again. It seems when the hobbyist try to define something it always creates an issue. Just an observation

No disagreement, based on the votes in both polls it half and half for the ladies as far as the most popular choices that included services rendered.

I dont take it so much a disagreement from them....or a gripe from us. We just need to understand more from both sides.

But yeah the BFE thread was pretty lopsided. lol

London Rayne · 11-07-2010, 03:05 PM

Yea and for the record CIM, COF, COB, and TUMA come standard in my gfe.

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 03:30 PM

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Yea and for the record CIM, COF, COB, and TUMA come standard in my gfe.

But you forgot to answer the time frame or duration services are rendered by you in a one hour booking that defines it as GFE or PSE. You never touched on that. Nothing descript.

So what time frame or percentage of time is normal intercourse wise to be GFE sex as opposed to your criteria for PSE activity. Whats the breakdown? Anything past 15 minutes perhaps? PSE if he takes to long to cum perhaps? What exactly constitutes the rate difference?If he booked you GFE as opposed to PSE, what are his limitations? Sounds confusing when we dont know, care to elaborate.

Im still just curious cause it still sound weird to me if hes paying for your time and companionship.

London Rayne · 11-07-2010, 03:38 PM

I can't really say because I don't charge based on how long. I mean if a guy takes 50 min. for one pop, it's still gfe. I can't get mad because he takes a while, though that has never really happened. Most of the time 2 in an hour is standard, depending on how long they take to recharge after that first bj.

GFE dates tend to spend more time on foreplay than actual intercourse, but I have had a few that ONLY wanted oral...nothing else, and still paid the rate.

PSE includes more fs because you are adding Greek into the equation.

Eccie Addict · 11-07-2010, 04:02 PM

I think pse and gfe mean something different to everyone. I normally just try to research what they allow, are comfortable with based on reviews to a degree anyway. If she is someone I can afford then great and if not then I move on. I saw a provider not too long ago who knows I enjoy msog and I ended up going only one pop in an hour. That's rare but didn't feel cheated or anything. That was how the session flowed and I had a great time. I've seen another here recently that I've seen twice and went three rounds in an hour and we even had a couple of breaks but she seem to enjoy herself. Grated that may be an act but I asked if she wanted to and she said yes. All she had to say was no and I still would have walked out a very happy guy. Every provider/hobbyist has a different meaning of what those terms mean.

I've never had an issue with a provider cause I don't try to cross their boundaries and I try not to see someone I know won't enjoy the time we spend together. I don't always succeed but most of the time I do

gimme_that · 11-07-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by London Rayne

I consider PSE any date in which the girl never gets a break. For instance, any more than 2 pops in an hour is PSE in my book.......If more than 75 percent of the time is her working on you, it's a PSE.

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I mean if a guy takes 50 min. for one pop, it's still gfe. I can't get mad because he takes a while.....

GFE dates tend to spend more time on foreplay than actual intercourse,.........

PSE includes more fs.....

So if Greek was not an option, 50 mins of vaginal sex is now GFE.
Your two comment contradict each other.

What if he passed on cumming from the BJ, told u to stop, and choose 50 mins of sex ....time frame unknown of course......to achieve. Besides he chatted, kissed, licked, and hugged you for five minutes prior to session for the GFE requirement right? Still GFE and a I cant blame him and get mad situation....or is it varying.

Besides they have to be 6 or below and a certain girth 4u anyway per your preference right, 2easy