I hope all of the non-Liberal voted today.

[pjorourke]

As I said last week in an article at the Weekly Standard:

“This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order. Power has been trapped, abused and exploited by Democrats. Go to the ballot box and put an end to this abusive relationship. And let’s not hear any nonsense about letting the Democrats off if they promise to get counseling. ”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...ts_511739.html

[Geyser7]

[charlestudor2005]

TY PJ...I voted a couple of weeks ago.

The only observations I have to make are:

1. Obama only continued the bailouts started by GWB
2. The current unemployment problem was created by Obama's predecessor
3. The Repubs are spreading lies about the Congressionally passed healthcare plan. I recently got my plan which takes effect after the 1st of the year. Among the changes:

• I used to have a $2M lifetime limit; there is no limit now
• I used to have to stay in-network to get the greatest benefit; there is no limitation on who I can see now
• I used to have to pay 20% after deductible; now, after deductible, I pay -0-%
• I used to have to pay a portion of preventive care; now insurance pays 100%
• Nursing home care used to be very limited; now it's 100% covered after deductible;
• In-patient psychiatric/drug rehab care is at 100% after deductible.
• In most cases deductible is $500. Premiums did not change.
• Kids are covered to age 26.
• Pre-existing conditions are covered.
• Prescriptions are tiered, but still reasonable.

The fearmongering done by the Repubs is all lies. I have the proof in the changes in my insurance plan. Check your plans and see.

[MrGiz]

Well.... at least I was able to cancel-out Chucky's vote!

Giz

[catnipdipper]

I voted Blue to cancel a Red. Least I could do.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Well.... at least I was able to cancel-out Chucky's vote!

Giz

Not really. We voted in different states. Although it's the kind of non-thinking we can expect from conservatives.

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I recently got my plan which takes effect after the 1st of the year. Among the changes:

• I used to have a $2M lifetime limit; there is no limit now
• I used to have to stay in-network to get the greatest benefit; there is no limitation on who I can see now
• I used to have to pay 20% after deductible; now, after deductible, I pay -0-%
• I used to have to pay a portion of preventive care; now insurance pays 100%
• Nursing home care used to be very limited; now it's 100% covered after deductible;
• In-patient psychiatric/drug rehab care is at 100% after deductible.
• In most cases deductible is $500. Premiums did not change.
• Kids are covered to age 26.
• Pre-existing conditions are covered.
• Prescriptions are tiered, but still reasonable.

You can't seriously think that you can expand benefits at no cost. Can I have a hit of whatever you are smoking?

BTW, that ain't Obamacare. It hasn't taken effect yet.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Not really. We voted in different states. Although it's the kind of non-thinking we can expect from conservatives.

Try thinking again Chucky... it's all about principle!! If my reps makes it... and your reps make it... we'll cancel each other out!

Giz

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Can I have a hit of whatever you are smoking?

BTW, that ain't Obamacare. It hasn't taken effect yet.

PJ, I'm shocked! I never would have taken you for a closet hooka man.

BTW, the health care takes effect in a tiered fashion. Coverage for kids (and I think the pre-existing part) took effect in Sept.

[pjorourke]

Coverage for kids is a nit -- about a 2 or 3% increase in costs. You have no idea the fucking shit-storm that is coming. health care is going to go from 14% of GDP to 17 or 18%. Their ain't enough "rich people" in the country to pay for that increased cost - so guess what dude, you'll get a bill for your free lunch.

Let me know when your employer cancels your health plan, pays a $4K penalty tax and throws your ass into a state exchange. I want to hear how much you love this POS then.

[Geyser7]

Silly republican's always talking about principle. Fuck principle. It does not mean shit when you vote in different states. Nice try. Tell me this: Republican are the family value, by the bible, holier than thou, etc... How can you take part in this hobby but be republican/conservative? Not like the dems are trying to make prostitution legal but republicans are usually more outspoken about shit like this tearing up the traditional family.

Also, the only reason this healthcare stuff is going to cost more NOW is because the health care providers and issurance companies are going to try and get their big chunch of change before shit gets regulated for the people in 2014. Get rich while you can because in 2014 you wont be able to be out of control any longer. There actually is enough rich people in this country to pay for it. When everything ends up alright and this healthcare stuff works its way out, all these people talking shit about are going to never say they were wrong because conservatives and republicans never are wrong are they?

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Geyser7

because conservatives and republicans never are wrong are they?

Actually, when William F. Buckley was asked if he had ever made a mistake, he said, "Yes. I said the Beatles would never amount to anything."

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

You can't seriously think that you can expand benefits at no cost. Can I have a hit of whatever you are smoking?

BTW, that ain't Obamacare. It hasn't taken effect yet.

No shit. Because it is Charles I expect the thinking of a 5 year old but his explaination of his health plan changes would be akin to me exclaiming:

"I just got the brochure for this year's winter getaway trip: Nicer resort, larger rooms, more staff, 'free' spa services, open bar, better weather..." without any mention of cost*

*but then I'm putting it on my credit card anyway so it isn't like it really costs anything

[Survivor]

Originally Posted by Geyser7

Silly republican's always talking about principle. Fuck principle. It does not mean shit when you vote in different states. Nice try. Tell me this: Republican are the family value, by the bible, holier than thou, etc... How can you take part in this hobby but be republican/conservative? Not like the dems are trying to make prostitution legal but republicans are usually more outspoken about shit like this tearing up the traditional family.

Also, the only reason this healthcare stuff is going to cost more NOW is because the health care providers and issurance companies are going to try and get their big chunch of change before shit gets regulated for the people in 2014. Get rich while you can because in 2014 you wont be able to be out of control any longer. There actually is enough rich people in this country to pay for it. When everything ends up alright and this healthcare stuff works its way out, all these people talking shit about are going to never say they were wrong because conservatives and republicans never are wrong are they?

Not all of us support every Republican principle and not all Democrats support every policy of the Democratic party. Flexibility is a good thing.

So "when the shit gets regulated" if doctors, nurses, those who operate hospitals, health care clinics, etc. can't make a decent living, why should they continue doing it. Chuck and Geyser, please take a look at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

Chuck, please give us the name of your health insurance company and plan name. That's one hell of a plan. Clauses excluding Preexisting conditions from coverage are not going to be eliminated for several years for everyone except babies. Or should we assume this report on your policy benefits is in accordance with your tag line.

I just hope in a few years we have doctors and medical providers to go to.


Surivor

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

No shit. Because it is Charles I expect the thinking of a 5 year old but his explaination of his health plan changes would be akin to me exclaiming:

"I just got the brochure for this year's winter getaway trip: Nicer resort, larger rooms, more staff, 'free' spa services, open bar, better weather..." without any mention of cost*

*but then I'm putting it on my credit card anyway so it isn't like it really costs anything

Obviously, you didn't read the "no premium increase" line. Of course, both of you are so biased, that even if it turned out to be as I said in my post, you wouldn't believe it. That is the seminal definition of denial. To deny provable and observable facts. Both you and PJ are speculating about costs. From a biased POV.