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pyramider · 09-21-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sixxbach

The real Houston team is in TN. I would root for the Titans before the Texans.....

sixx

Houston was smart enough to tell Bud Adams to fuck off and leave. Harris County spent $86MM to upgrade the Dome. But Adams wanted his own stadium. He just forgot he signed a long term contract at the Dome and no one would let him out of his own stupidity.

He tried and campaigned that the Dome was too small for the NFL. But many of the newer stadiums since then are actually smaller than the AstroDome. Oh well . . .

Bud Adams is now Nashville's problem, good riddance. I just wish more cities would tell more team owners to fuck off and pay for their own palaces.

italian1 · 09-22-2010, 06:32 AM

They suck...it's going to be a LONG year!
Cheers!

mrod · 09-22-2010, 08:53 AM

Coaching is the problem here... Wade will get the boot year end... Garretts playcalling is just horrible. we have a triple threat running offense and we pass 85+ times in the first two games.. WTF... Wade and Garrett can rack up stats in O and D but not championships...

Guest040616 · 09-22-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mrod

Coaching is the problem here... Wade will get the boot year end... Garretts playcalling is just horrible. we have a triple threat running offense and we pass 85+ times in the first two games.. WTF... Wade and Garrett can rack up stats in O and D but not championships...

I do not believe the Cowboy's problems are so simple that a mere coaching change will lead your team to the promised land. The organization can continue to change coaches every few years but the team needs to spend the money to hire a good coach and then let that person be the coach as opposed to another in an increasingly long line of JJ's "YES" men! There have been 3 Hall of Fame caliber Cowboy coaches since JJ first bought the team. Not one of the three lasted very long while employed by JJ. The good coaches move on to greener pastures. Understanably so! The mediocre coaches will eventually get fired. Yet the one who will never get fired is JJ himself!

Therein lies your problem! The common denominator is that the Cowboys have one of, if not the worst, owner in all of professional sports.

JJ continues to meddle in the day to day operations of your football team. He should leave that responsibility to the professionals who know what they are doing. JJ will spend the money to get the type of players needed to win championships but until he allows the coaches and general manager to actually handle the day to day football operations, the Cowboys will continue to play the role of the bridesmaid! Then every few years, JJ will hire another "YES" man to be your surrogate head coach! Meanwhile Cowboy fans live in a constant state of frustration. Why? Because they know they have the talent to win it all but they just can't seem to put it all together!

Round and round you go!

pyramider · 09-22-2010, 07:22 PM

Could have had Shannahan.

Guest040616 · 09-22-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pyramider

Could have had Shannahan.

Instead, a division rival hired Shannahan and an intrastate rival hired his protege!

Boltfan · 09-22-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pyramider

Could have had Shannahan.

I completely disagree. JJ would not have given up the control wanted by the Rat.

Same reason Cowher would not come out of retirement for a Cowboys job with JJ the puppetmaster still in charge.

TexRich · 09-22-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

Therein lies your problem! The common denominator is that the Cowboys have one of, if not the worst, owner in all of professional sports.

until he allows the coaches and general manager to actually handle the day to day football operation

he is one of the greatest owners of all time, but one of the worse GMs/Presidents of all professional sports. in case you didnt know, which you didnt, Jerry plays the role of GM, there hasnt been one here since Tex Scrhamm. if you think Jerry is the worst owner then let me introduce you to William Clay Ford, Norman Braman, Victor Kiam, Robert Irsay, Bill Bidwell, Bud Adams.....well you already knew him, LOL

Guest040616 · 09-22-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TexRich

he is one of the greatest owners of all time, but one of the worse GMs/Presidents of all professional sports. in case you didnt know, which you didnt, Jerry plays the role of GM, there hasnt been one here since Tex Scrhamm. if you think Jerry is a terrible owner then let me introduce you to Bill Bidwell, Bud Adams.....well you already knew him, LOL

If JJ were truly "one of the greatest owners of all time," than it stands to reason it is his job, and his job alone, to recognize that he has "one of the worst GMs/Presidents of all professional sports." JJ is totally oblivious to his own shortcomings! "In case you didn't know, which you didn't," the truly "great owners" will not settle for an inferior performance from the GM/President! Even if the owner happens to hold that position! That is why JJ will never be considered among the "greatest owners of all time."

And that is why I am convinced he is one of the worst owners in all of professional sports! He has the money and the talent, but he is seriously lacking in expertise!

TexRich · 09-22-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

If JJ was truly "one of the greatest owners of all time," than he should easily recognize that he is "one of the worse GMs/Presidents of all professional sports."

if he was the worst owner of all time how has his teams won 3 Superbowls? Even the owner has to pay the bills, write the checks and make the right hires. Granted he didnt continue to make the right moves, but for you to say he is the worst owner and he has won 3 Superbowls kinda makes you look foolish or perhaps not very objective.

Guest040616 · 09-22-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TexRich

if he was the worst owner of all time how has his teams won 3 Superbowls? Even the owner has to pay the bills, write the checks and make the right hires. Granted he didnt continue to make the right moves, but for you to say he is the worst owner and he has won 3 Superbowls kinda makes you look foolish or perhaps not very objective.

The fact that the Dallas Cowboys appeared in 3 Super Bowls during that era is the very reason I believe JJ is a piss-poor owner. Those 3 Dallas Cowboy Super Bowl teams utilized talent put together by a fundamentally sound football coach named Jimmy Johnson and to a lesser degree, JJ himself. If JJ would have allowed Johnson to continue to oversee the coaching and football operations, the sky was the limit for the franchise. In fact, I would argue they would have many more than those 3 Super Bowls today. It is apparent that JJ could not share the spotlight with Jimmy Johnson, in spite of their success. Instead he let Johnson slip away. Just as he did with two other Hall of Fame caliber coaches, Tom Landry and Bill Parcells. JJ's unwillingness to share the spotlight with subordinates is the very reason I believe he is a piss-poor owner.

In Jerry World it is all about JJ, even though football is the ultimate team sport!

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight because I can take the Cowboys or leave them. You, on the other hand, bleed Cowboy blue, which seriously restricts any personal objectivity you might have and quite frankly makes you "look foolish!" On one hand you foolishly claim that JJ is "one of the greatest owners of all time" but with the other hand you fail to acknowledge that one of the so called "greatest owners of all time" is solely responsible for having one of the "worst GM's/President of all professional sports" overseeing the football operations of his franchise. Those were your very own descriptions, not mine. In laymens terms, your 2+2 does not equal 4!

My friend, "the greatest owners of all time" do not allow incompetents to continually oversee the football operations of their franchise. They let the piss-poor owners make those mistakes!

sixxbach · 09-22-2010, 11:19 PM

Keep in mind though, that to get the Triplets, Jerry Jones traded the still in prime Herschel Walker. He took a huge gamble with draft picks. Remember draft picks no matter how high are a gamble. Jerry had the balls to kick out Landry and do things his way.

Jerry also had some help with Dave Wannstead, Norv Turner, and of course Jimmy Johnson. He was extremely lucky that all those pieces were in place.

TexRich · 09-23-2010, 01:21 AM

bigtex, I know you are smarter than what you are showing here. But, for some reason you seem to not understand what I posted in my objectivity in agreeing that Jerral Jones is not a good GM/President of Football Operations. No duh!

But, you mentioned he was the worst owner in all professional sports. Thats what I am refuting. The worst owner in all of sports doesnt have the #1 NFL Team in value.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/...ys_300988.html

The total worth of the Dallas Cowboys is 1.8 billion compared to when he bought the team back in 1989 of 150 million. Thats a return on investment of over 800%.

He also has the 4th most valuable sports brand value in the world:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ea21a44a.html

Forbes' top 10 sports teams in brand value
No. 1 Manchester United (English Premier League)
Brand value of $270 million
No. 2 New York Yankees (MLB)
Brand value of $266 million
No. 3 Real Madrid (Spanish La Liga)
Brand Value: $245 million
No. 4 Dallas Cowboys (NFL)
Brand Value: $208 million
No. 5 Bayern Munich (German Bundesliga)
Brand Value: $200 million
No. 6 Arsenal (English Premier League)
No. 7 AC Milan (Italian Serie A)
No. 8 Barcelona (Spanish La Liga)
No. 9 New York Mets (MLB)
No. 10 Boston Red Sox (MLB)

Jones is currently the Chairman of the NFL Network Broadcast Committee, and he is a member of the Management Council Executive Committee, the Special Committee on League Economics and the Pro Football Hall of Fame Committee.

in the areas of marketing, corporate sponsorships, television he has been very innovative. such as when he thought outside the box to start creating his own team revenue with deals with Nike and Pepsi because he didnt want his team to become like the Cincinnati Bengals and Buffalo Bills of the past when they were use to holding out their hands and wait for the revenue sharing to feed their team. He also took the lead in negotiating the latest NFL TV deal that has other professional sports comparable deals look like chump change. Yeah he is the worst owner in all sports......

Guest040616 · 09-23-2010, 04:48 AM

TR---I suppose you and I will have to agree to disagree. You obviously have the distorted notion that the overall value of the franchise is the only factor that separates the good owners from the bad. I have a dramatically different perspective. I would argue that Jerry Jones was not even the best owner in Dallas Cowboy history, much less "one of the greatest owners of all time," as you previously claimed. Rest assurred, Clint Murchison was a much better owner than JJ.

Clint allowed those with technical experience in their field to do their job. Tom Landry, Tex Schramm and Gil Brandt were leaders in their respective fields and widely recognized by the experts as being among the best in the business. The Cowboys were successful during that era because Clint did not interfere with his coaches and staff. Why didn't he interfere? Because Clint was smart enough to know that he lacked the technical knowledge and expertise to be the Head Coach, General Manager, Director of Player Personel and Team President! Thus Clint hired those who had the experience in their respective field and provided those individuals with the necessary tools to do their job. That my friend, is the difference between a great owner, such as Clint Murchison and a piss-poor owner like JJ!

During the Murchison era there was never an atmosphere of 2nd guessing or arguments over the player selection process. Under JJ, a day without drama is a wasted day! As for me, I will take rational decision making over drama any day!

JJ seems to be much more concerned about receiving credit for the success of the franchise. So much so, that he will find a way to get rid of those who receive credit from the media. If the argument is only the overall financial worth of the franchise and nothing else, then you are correct. JJ is one of the best owners of all time. I believe it is much more than that. Owners such as Clint Murchison and Dan Rooney stand head and shoulders above JJ when it comes to knowing how to successfully oversee a successful NFL franchise.

I stand by my previous claim, JJ is one of the worst owners in all of professional sports. Why? Because his oversized ego gets in the way of the decision making process! Even you readily acknowledge that JJ is "one of the worst GM's/Presidents in all of professional sports." You can't have it both ways! If JJ is indeed "one of the best owners of all time" as you suggest, why does he allow "one of the worst GM's/Presidents in all of professional sports" to oversee the franchise?

While you are at it, here is another question for you to ponder: If it is not the owners job to make certain that the most qualified individuals available oversee the football operations, than whose job is it?

I anxiously await your responses!

Tara Evans · 09-23-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

TR---I suppose you and I will have to agree to disagree. You obviously have the distorted notion that the overall value of the franchise is the only factor that separates the good owners from the bad. I have a dramatically different perspective. I would argue that Jerry Jones was not even the best owner in Dallas Cowboy history, much less "one of the greatest owners of all time," as you previously claimed. Rest assurred, Clint Murchison was a much better owner than JJ.

Clint allowed those with technical experience in their field to do their job. Tom Landry, Tex Schramm and Gil Brandt were leaders in their respective fields and widely recognized by the experts as being among the best in the business. The Cowboys were successful during that era because Clint did not interfere with his coaches and staff. Why didn't he interfere? Because Clint was smart enough to know that he lacked the technical knowledge and expertise to be the Head Coach, General Manager, Director of Player Personel and Team President! Thus Clint hired those who had the experience in their respective field and provided those individuals with the necessary tools to do their job. That my friend, is the difference between a great owner, such as Clint Murchison and a piss-poor owner like JJ!

During the Murchison era there was never an atmosphere of 2nd guessing or arguments over the player selection process. Under JJ, a day without drama is a wasted day! As for me, I will take rational decision making over drama any day!

JJ seems to be much more concerned about receiving credit for the success of the franchise. So much so, that he will find a way to get rid of those who receive credit from the media. If the argument is only the overall financial worth of the franchise and nothing else, then you are correct. JJ is one of the best owners of all time. I believe it is much more than that. Owners such as Clint Murchison and Dan Rooney stand head and shoulders above JJ when it comes to knowing how to successfully oversee a successful NFL franchise.

I stand by my previous claim, JJ is one of the worst owners in all of professional sports. Why? Because his oversized ego gets in the way of the decision making process! Even you readily acknowledge that JJ is "one of the worst GM's/Presidents in all of professional sports." You can't have it both ways! If JJ is indeed "one of the best owners of all time" as you suggest, why does he allow "one of the worst GM's/Presidents in all of professional sports" to oversee the franchise?

While you are at it, here is another question for you to ponder: If it is not the owners job to make certain that the most qualified individuals available oversee the football operations, than whose job is it?

I anxiously await your responses!

I am with you on this one BigTex