9-11 GOOGLE: BUILDING 7

[littlejohn20]

GOOGLE: BUILDING 7
Explains a lot

[littlejohn20]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist at ALL, I totally mourn the ppl who lost their lives, (and am even a Liberal lol not rightwing anti-gov. Nut lol) I just have an Open mind and am naturally curious esp. With the Gross inconsistencies surrounding the events

for ex: almost universally renowned architecture firms, engineers, architects from all over the world jet fuel couldn't burn steel( military thermite could) No skyscraper o IN HISTORY has ever collapsed from a fire alone any kind of fire,

And please your just virtually self lobotomizing yourself(sh*t for brains) if u think Bd. 7 collapsed(while other buildings same distance away or Closer did not suffer nearly that much dmg) for the official causes given: if u do ANY even medicore research on where it was and 'perfectly in sinc". It fell

Anyone have any thoughts just follow reason and logical conclusion?
Michael (Austin escorts) any thoughts? U seem to have post Bout these things

[mj2749]

LJ, I don't feel I'm "self lobotomizing" myself....though I got a really good chuckle out of that phrase.
My response to you is....study the many, many disasters that have befallen humans. Very often there is a "first"....meaning something happened that NO ONE thought was possible but it occurred. Case in point....No one at the time believed that a simple iceberg could sink the Titanic. The ship was built to withstand more than any ship previously built. Yet over 1,000 people had to perish before it was discovered that there's no such thing as an "unsinkable" ship.
Airplanes have crashed from causes previously thought impossible.
There was a time that Army Corps of Engineers believed that no storm could break the levies around New Orleans....we found out the hard way that they were quite easily breached and or destroyed.
So this is why when "experts" claim jet fuel could not have done this, or an explosion could not have caused that, I view their claims with a jaundiced eye. Most "experts" have a hard time admitting that what they have believed for so long about physics, architecture, etc could be wrong. History is full of men like that who eventually WERE proven wrong.
What I do know is this. I visited Ground Zero, I spoke to some of the Police Officers and Firefighters who were there that day. Some of whom witnessed first hand what took place. Not ONE SINGLE POLICE OFFICER OR FIRE FIGHTER has ever told me that the buildings collapsed from anything other than the attacks and aftermath of the attacks. These men were there that day, they helped fight the fires. What reason does a Firefighter have to lie about what he saw, what he felt and what he experienced?
Then there's the other side. I saw the jubilation on the faces of Bin Laden, his cronies and of extremists around the world. I saw thousands cheering in the streets while witnessing the destruction of those buildings.
I have no doubt myself who our enemy is, what he stands for or what his aims are.
I have no doubt of who carried out the attacks on our country.
If I did, I wouldn't be where I am today.

[rCoder]

Let's just say that there are still several valid questions that should be addressed by opening up all records concerning 9/11. Nine years have elapsed so it's highly unlikely that there are any valid "national security" reasons for the data remaining classified.

Until we can fully examine and understand the tragic event, please forgive me for not rejoicing in all the flag waving. It feels too much like propaganda.

While I do not believe we are totally to blame for the event (I'm not a liberal nut), I do believe that we allowed our gang in government to commit acts that did contribute to it. Further I believe that an examination of our policies and actions was intentional blocked by the Bush white house (remember all the flag waving and "support our troops" response to any questioning of policy). "Why?" is still a damn good question (see, I'm not a conservative nut either).

For all of the families and friends of the lost and injured souls, my deepest sympathies.

[shazzan]

God when will the insanity end. Stop watching Loose Change on the internet and view some of the extremely good documentaries explaining the collapse of the buildings on the Discovery Channel, or read the very good debunking of the 9-11 conspiracy theories done in Popular Mechanics. While the temperatures of the fire may have not been hot enough to melt structural steel, you don't need to melt steel to get it to warp and lose most of its structural strength. Further there was more than enough other kinds of metals used in the construction of the Twin Towers (Aluminum, Copper, Lead) to account for molten metal seen at the site.

As I once explained to a conspiracy theory friend of mine, there are two groups. The KAILIH (Knew About It Let It Happen) and the KAIMIH (Knew About It Made It Happen). To be a KAILIH you have to believe that a small number of people in the government and CIA/NSA, had the knowledge of the terrorist plot but kept it secret and let it happen for their nefarious Illuminati plans. I thinks it's nuts, but you just have to be paranoid and a bit illogical to believe this. I think this ignores the fact that most folks who join US intelligence agencies do so out of patriotism and wanting to make a difference. These aren't Dr. Evil henchman but people with families and pensions. I also think that too many people would be in the loop. A conspiracy that involves more than a few people will come out.

Now the KAIMIH crowd are the thermite charges and remote control plane crowd. You have to be a crazy moron to be in this crowd. It is so surface level stupid I am shocked that anyone believes this stuff. Mental illness is the only explanation that makes sense to me. I could talk about the structure of the building, about how hard it is and the weeks it takes to properly set up a demolition. How crashing a plane into the area of the charges would wreck them utterly. You would have to have dozens, if not hundreds, of US government agents involved who all are utterly evil and keep silent. Not to mention officials in the fire department and police in NYC all being part of the conspiracy. Don't forget all of the civilians in the media and engineers who investigated the collapse who are part of keeping the truth from coming out. Don't forget me. Who but an Illuminati plant would deny the obvious evidence. Also ask yourself why a government willing and capable of slaughtering thousand of American civilians while keeping their culpability secret, doesn't just make a few dozen folks who are exposing the truth on the internet disappear or have unfortunate accidents.

Stop reading Prison Planet. You really have to believe the US is a secret fascist dictatorship to buy this junk. The Western world is not an Austin Powers movie. North Korea maybe, but not the US. You have to be a right wing anti-government whack job, or a Cindy Sheehan leftist nut to believe in this. You want to suggest the government is controlled buy corporate money...I'm listening. My ears are wide open to suggestions the Bush administration cherry picked intelligence to bolster the case for war in Iraq. But, 9-11 conspiracy theory nonsense, especially the thermite charges kind, just points to a syphilitic brain. With our kind of hobby that is a distinct risk.

[mj2749]

Very well said Shazzan!

[littlejohn20]

Sic. Self lobotomy or... other phrase, use as needed : )
I'm not a liberal nut and don't believe "they" are even intellectually/ idealogically Creative or Even Interesting Enough; to be Fascist in any way "they" insiders like the Human SCUM: Cheny and associated corporations & Kissinger in the past
motivated by pure greed and Profiteering (corporations/contractors/stocks etc.)

Throughout the entirety of human history it cannot be hard to imagine or point to the most elaborate conspirearces, lies, and hoaxes being perpetrated by by those in power for generally personal economic gain and DON'T give me this they wouldn't let innocents die let alone Americans if they knew; far worse has been done to people for Far less (ex: realpolitik) With the Casual Callousness we Are All Capable of or willful ignorance (or just intelligence lvl) lol "My writing is Not for Everyone". Jonathan Franzen

[shazzan]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/1227842

[Mokoa]

The moonbats never really let go.

[meldrick]

Weren't the Moonbats our local hockey team? Whatever happened to them?

I think it is extremely unlikely that a carefully orchestrated "Dr. Evil" type plot led to the attack and/or the buildings collapsing.

But in some ways, what actually happened is almost as disturbing a prospect. At the highest levels of government, the responsible parties were simply not paying attention. During the transition (which was shortened due to the Florida vote), the outgoing National Security team emphasized the threat from Al Qaeda. The long-serving top anti-terrorism guy, Richard Clarke, continuously sounded the warning about Al Qaeda. Further, FBI and various intelligence service agents had accumulated enough intel to have a fair picture of the plot. They knew about the guys in flight training who weren't interested in learning about take-off or (especially) landing.

Then there was the PDB in early August, warning that Al Qaeda was determined to attack within the US. I think I read a quote from Tenet saying that they were doing everything short of banging on trash can lids to emphasize the heightened danger and imminent risk.

I'm not going to attempt in detail to describe all this. It has been well-reported and documented, and the info is out there for anyone wishing to learn more.

I am angry and full of hostility towards those who attacked us, and also at the (yes) tens of millions in the Arab world that cheered. And who would cheer again, should there be another attack on our country. But I am also quite angry at the people who worked in the Oval Office at the time who took no steps at all to try to meet this danger or to prevent this attack.

I suppose it is remotely possible that Oval Office Evildoers decided to not pay attention and allow an attack to take place, in order to advance their agenda. They certainly used the attack to advance the agenda that was already in place, ie to invade Iraq. History has shown us even greater villainy than that, so it is not necessarily unthinkable.

But sadly, I really find it more credible that simple lack of focus and and general incompetence on their part is the true story. They made it relatively easy for the terrorists to succeed.

Sorry if I have offended anyone here. I normally don't post my personal views on non-hobby subjects. Somehow I get pissed off again every year in the second week of September.

[shazzan]

Originally Posted by meldrick

I think it is extremely unlikely that a carefully orchestrated "Dr. Evil" type plot led to the attack and/or the buildings collapsing.

But in some ways, what actually happened is almost as disturbing a prospect. At the highest levels of government, the responsible parties were simply not paying attention.

I think this is the reason that 9-11 conspiracy theories became popular. If an an evil government cabal was behind 9-11, then somebody is in control and there was an orderly plan behind this. The world isn't a random scary place full of incompetence and disorder under this scenario. In fact it point to supreme competence and planning on part of the secret government.

If it wasn't a conspiracy then the world is a far scarier place that our government will often fail to protect us from. I think that a lot of people find the conspiracy theory angle more psychologically comforting (possibly at a subconscious level) than the chaotic reality of 9-11. What I find funny is most of these guys are anti-government types that think government is super incompetent when it comes to everything else, yet in setting up "Dr. Evil" plots its a frickin genius.

[Guest031411-2]

conspiracy theories become popular because people are freaking idiots. Plan and simple. If you were to mention Occam's Razor to a conspiracy theory person they would ask who is Occam. Evil is never that complex, its really that simple. What makes things complicated follows a typical path of ignorance:

When they came for the homosexuals, I looked the other way
When they came for the mentally retarded, I looked the other way
When they came for the jewish, I looked the other way
When they came for the competition, I looked the other way
When they came for me, there was no one left to look..........

[AustinBusinessTraveler]

Originally Posted by meldrick

But in some ways, what actually happened is almost as disturbing a prospect. At the highest levels of government, the responsible parties were simply not paying attention.

It wouldn't have mattered. There is no all knowing all seeing entity. The Secret Service starts with the idea that there is no way - none - to stop an assassin if he is willing to trade his life for the protectee's. That's why body men are there to hopefully take the bullet instead.

This theory is well known is private protection circles and at the highest levels of every government in the world. If a crazy ass hajji wants to blow himself up in the process, you have little chance of stopping every possibility.

Want a great real world example? Prisons are theoretically the most controlled environments in the country. Somehow contraband gets in left and right. How? Because the "I don't give a shit" criminals have all day to find flaws in the system. Same with Hajji's... they can spend all day thinking of how to commit the next act.

You win in one of two ways... kill 'em all (not really a viable method, I mean it we just aren't good at that stuff as a country), or handle the root issue (good friggin luck).

There really isn't another option.

I served 4 years in the military of another country where we dealt with these nutjobs almost exclusively and I can tell you that there is no easy solution because the leaders have silenced the masses. More worrisome however is that the masses are coming around to agree with the leaders... then we'll have real problems.