The glory days of the HDH are over.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I just can't bring myself to believe that the level of service is that much better,

Nail meets head.

The people who spend that kind of money on an escort are the same types of people who would spend $300 on an umbrella.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Doove

The people who spend that kind of money on an escort are the same types of people who would spend $300 on an umbrella.

I thought we all wore a 2 dollar raincoat!

[Laurentius]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I just can't bring myself to believe that the level of service is that much better, ....

I am on both sides of the fence, seeing both HDHs and non-HDHs. I absolutely agree, the level of service does NOT increase with price.

And let me add that this includes more than just the sex part. There are ladies out there who charge $200-$250/hr who give great extended date rates and are just as at home at a Shakespeare festival as they would be at a baseball game or rock concert.

This idea that only women who charge gobs of money make great dates for black tie affairs is incorrect. I used to rent a lady to stand in for my first wife, and she only charged (in inflation-corrected dollars) $225; and she had a PhD in International Relations.

I had one lady who charges $250 attend a major conference with me, where she absolutely captivated the other men around me with her analysis of a variety of multidisciplinary topics.

Oh, and, yeah -- they are every bit as good at sex. The best kisser I ever saw charges $180. She could give you an orgasm just by kissing, I kid you not.

So why do I ever spend more?

Because I don't book based on ordinary factors. I book based on character, intellect and just plain whether or not I like the woman. I take them where I can find them, and sometimes I find them at a higher price point is all.

If I were to rate women I've seen over the past couple of years by minimum booking price from best to worst; the absolute best provider I have ever seen has a minimum charge of $400. Granted, that's a lot of money, but it is a tad shy of HDH territory*. #2 charges $700. #3 charges $200.

See the lack of price correlation?

* I define HDH as $500+ for minimum initial payment for a first visit.

[Rudyard K]

Originally Posted by Doove

The people who spend that kind of money on an escort are the same types of people who would spend $300 on an umbrella.

They very well might. And the people who try to ridicule those that wish to do so are the same people who can't get it up financially to buy the umbrella. Financial impotence can tend to to make one simply a voyer of the potent.

[Guest042611]

Originally Posted by Laurentius

If I were to rate women I've seen over the past couple of years by minimum booking price from best to worst; the absolute best provider I have ever seen has a minimum charge of $400. Granted, that's a lot of money, but it is a tad shy of HDH territory*. #2 charges $700. #3 charges $200.

See the lack of price correlation?

I've seen so many versions of this same post. Yes, the world is full of wonderful and beautiful escorts, and each values her time differently.

You're talking about the chemistry between two people, which is something that can't be quantified or predicted. Of course there are plenty of women who charge x amount (or nothing) with whom you'll have a great time. And a "great time" is obviously completely subjective. A woman's price reflects what she wishes to be compensated for her time, and that's all. The only thing that is a reasonable assumption with HDHs is that they probably see fewer clients, since fewer can afford them. If that's important to you, or if you happen to really adore the girl who's charging 1k/hour, then go for it. If you're simply looking for a particular "service level," reviews probably predict more accurately than prices do.

[WTF]

Satisfaction is more about expectations. If I expect to shoot a 90 and shot an 80 , I'm happy as a lark, no matter what course I play. If I expect to shoot a 90 and card a 95 I'm not so happy. I don't blame the course for how I play or the fee. I will say if I play say Pebble Beach I just enjoy playing that beautiful, expensive piece of landscape. Moral to the story, I enjoy golf and hinny, even though I'm not worth a damn at either, I do enjoy playing the game. I will say that when I pay a bit more I do expect to at the very least, take in some very nice scenery and no aerated greens on the nice courses for me.

[Camille]

Originally Posted by Natalie

The only thing that is a reasonable assumption with HDHs is that they probably see fewer clients, since fewer can afford them.

And that is the very true but likely only tangible point of difference. Having walked on both ends of the price point spectrum I know this to be true. Men should too..because let's face it, even if men are willing to pay $2500/3hrs..how many can really do so? The pool is small. Very very small.
The same applies to men though Laurentius. Some gents with money to burn are complete asses...some with much less are complete gentlemen. Very typically I think the HDH specifically wants to see fewer people...but isn't prepared to make pennies doing so..hence the rate. This clearly has value for some men.

[Camille]

This is the first thread on this topic in FOREVER that hasn't degenerated into a complete clusterfuck of an issue....so who's missing?

[Laurentius]

Originally Posted by Natalie

I've seen so many versions of this same post. Yes, the world is full of wonderful and beautiful escorts, and each values her time differently.

You're talking about the chemistry between two people, which is something that can't be quantified or predicted. Of course there are plenty of women who charge x amount (or nothing) with whom you'll have a great time. And a "great time" is obviously completely subjective. A woman's price reflects what she wishes to be compensated for her time, and that's all. The only thing that is a reasonable assumption with HDHs is that they probably see fewer clients, since fewer can afford them. If that's important to you, or if you happen to really adore the girl who's charging 1k/hour, then go for it. If you're simply looking for a particular "service level," reviews probably predict more accurately than prices do.

Alas, you are correct. For me it's a chemistry thing. I couldn't care less about menu specifics. Which in effect means the price points at which I hobby vary dramatically. Obviously, I have a limit; but it's high enough to cover some time with the ladies I like.

It's kind of an interesting phenomenon when I book a higher priced lady. I know I want to see her when I look at her rates and quite honestly say to myself "She only wants X?" X, of course, is more than the average guy earns in a week, but it doesn't bother me in her case because something has tipped the value equation in my mind such that it looks like a bargain.

And usually, it is. There's one HDH I've seen that I am not kidding when I say she has dramatically improved my life for the better in arenas well outside the hobby and has thus delivered far more value than her fee.

Like I said, I've had similar experiences at lower price points as well; which also turn out to be a bargain, IMO.

But tangentially, I'm not convinced of an absolute correspondence between high price and low volume. I mean, most certainly, if a lady charged $1M/minute; her volume would decline; and if she charged $0.01/day it would increase.

But in the middle, just as there are women who can afford to charge a great deal for their time and have only 4-6 appointments a year due to other employment, etc,; I know ladies who are in similar circumstances who charge about $250 and control volume by screening for factors other than income.

So while I think that, as a general rule, you are correct about the inverse relationship between price and volume; providers are so individual in their circumstances and desires that it doesn't always hold.

So I guess I could summarize this as: "I don't have prejudices about providers that are based on their rates. Every provider is an individual and judging by superficial attributes is folly."



:-)

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Camille

This is the first thread on this topic in FOREVER that hasn't degenerated into a complete clusterfuck of an issue....so who's missing?

Sounds like a list is in the making

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by WTF

Sounds like a list is in the making

Sounds like Camille should make the list. I nominate her.

[LynetteMarie]

This is something I touched on a few months ago on my super secret Twitter account (hello my Twitter friends! *winks*)

As a few have mentioned, the HDH is not and never will be "dead," but I do feel the "glory days" are certainly over.

I'm not going to repeat what others have mentioned. I have been in this industry since I was a pup in undergrad and I've witnessed and experienced many of the transitions over time...

A few years ago, there seemed an explosion in 3+hour minimum ladies at $3000+ with beautiful photographs and well-composed copy. Everyone was intrigued, both men and women. The HDH and other private invite-only boards were full of great conversations and members who partook in this demimonde. Now, many of those board participants have moved on and some of of the sites are virtual ghost-towns. Professional images and websites are abundant these days, not a rarity as they were back in the early-mid 2000s.

The trend I'm seeing more and more of these days is ladies who offer "clock free" options. I think this is a wonderful idea and I hope that it continues to grow in popularity for those of us truly interested in spending extended time with each other. I feel this is the beginning of the "glory days" for the clock-free provider.

[Clerkenwell]

Originally Posted by Camille

This is the first thread on this topic in FOREVER that hasn't degenerated into a complete clusterfuck of an issue....so who's missing?

Is there an HDH rate for a clusterfuck?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Clerkenwell

Is there an HDH rate for a clusterfuck?

Yes and No....It's now called a clockfree clusterfuck.

[Rudyard K]

Originally Posted by Clerkenwell

Is there an HDH rate for a clusterfuck?

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that. But at my age...a clusterfuck is three times in one week.