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Old 07-31-2010, 01:37 PM   #31
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What is tbd? (bigdoggie?) Sorry, noob question.
Yes, sweetie. BigDoggie.
TN = BigDoggie/TER, escortsdotcom, p411, DateCheck. SouthernGFE simply because they have awesome owners.

What, if any, luck have any of you fellas gotten off EROS? I was so excited when it finally hit TN but it's so packed with ...well cluttered let's call it. Any of you other ladies get the 50% off email from them last month? (or so?)
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Old 07-31-2010, 02:36 PM   #32
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Yes, sweetie. BigDoggie.
TN = BigDoggie/TER, escortsdotcom, p411, DateCheck. SouthernGFE simply because they have awesome owners.

What, if any, luck have any of you fellas gotten off EROS? I was so excited when it finally hit TN but it's so packed with ...well cluttered let's call it. Any of you other ladies get the 50% off email from them last month? (or so?)


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I generally do not even consider a provider on EROS. Years ago, you could look and tell what girls were agencies or indys and you could kind of wade through it. Now they have become more sophisticated in hiding that info so who can tell anything anymore.

EROS providers are generally more expensive than indy providers. Bait and switch is normal, and for sure a buyer beware transaction.

I think EROS is more for the uneducated non-hobbyist traveler.
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Babee, I only paid $25 for my Nashville ad this time and yes most guys who don't know about reviews just take eros for gold. The ones who do always look me up on one of the boards I am reviewed on. After my stl trip I cannot wait to get back to my favorite boys of TN!
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Thanks London. EROS is less than a year old here in TN. Most of my traffic off of it is so so. I'm trying to figure what type of clientèle it draws.
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I hate to admit it, but BP is awesome for Knox and Nash. I met many guys willing to go through screening, pay my fee, and most were Doctors and Attorneys. In my home town I don't use it, because you are lucky to even get 200 and every guy, "Has never done this before" lol. I sent you a reply pm.
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Yeah. Alot of people gripe about BP - Girls don't screen, it's LE, bait & switch, pimps, don't see girls who advertise on BP they are not safe or professional. But advertising effectively is the name of the game. I treat everyone the same no matter where they saw my ad. Where I advertise does not change how I handle my biz. I just loose track of my ads. Blond. Or inattention. Or age - hahaha. Actually I just get tired of writing new ads. That's really it. Lazy lazy lazy.
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I'm in Nashville tomorrow evening and was hoping to meet someone. I travel for a living and have met many fine ladies, in many places over the years, but never in Nashville. Thought it might be the right time to change that, however, being a Texan, and reading all the Texas bashing in this thread I think I'll just wait till I get home and see an atf, twice.
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Well the OP was about Nashville being the one that sucked, so we had to throw Texas in the mix lol. I don't live in either location but you go where the money is at, and for me it's not in Texas....though I have had a few pm's from Texas guys saying they don't fall into the "cheap, trying to drive the market down," category.

From a provider's stand point you have to understand we are all different, and not every area can sustain every rate scale....we simply go where we do the best and for me that's TN.
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I'm in Nashville tomorrow evening and was hoping to meet someone. I travel for a living and have met many fine ladies, in many places over the years, but never in Nashville. Thought it might be the right time to change that, however, being a Texan, and reading all the Texas bashing in this thread I think I'll just wait till I get home and see an atf, twice.
What you will find from research is:
1) ECCIE, ERAPS, and Horndogs has little or no influence in Nashville. It appears very few providers actually use them. They use boards such as TER, BigDoggie, escortsdotcom, p411, DateCheck. SouthernGFE. I did find a few providers on P411, but very few respond to inquiries. Even P411 providers did not respond. I have never had a P411 provider in Dallas not respond to an inquiry.

2) Nashville's rates are high. It is fundamentally because of an undeveloped market and relatively no competition. LE appears to really be scaring many of the providers and hence (according to the responses I have received) no one trusts BP and other low cost sites.

3) Providers in Nashville (at least in my case) do not respond quickly. Few rates or phone numbers are provided in the ads and it forces you to email which is a slow boat to China. It takes days just to set something up. Same day service from my experience is out of the question most of the time.

4) Providers in Nashville seem to have an attitude about working vs rates. Most providers in Nashville want $300 per session and even worse.....it appears very few actually LIVE in Nashville. I have found the service is better from providers that actually LIVE where they work as opposed to "traveling" providers.

5) In TX the rates for the same service run about $200-$250. In defense of the "cheap" TX providers, if it was so much better elsewhere why are THEY not going where the money is "better" as some have suggested. Not everyone exploits markets based upon how much they can get per hour. Many TX providers like it here because of the friendly provider environment, and the consistent business opportunities. The question at the end of the day is would you rather work once a day and make $300 or work three sessions a day and make $750. What's YOUR pussy worth and your bottom line profits. Providers work and make money here in TX.

6) Most importantly, we socialize with the providers outside of sessions. We support them, help them, and care for them even if we have never has a session with them. It is much more family here in TX than in towns where no providers have roots...such as Nashville. When was the last time Nashville had a party where clients and providers get together and have drinks and get to know each other outside of a bedroom and motel room?

I disagree with providers being cheap in TX. They are priced where the market works for them and they work as much as they want. We have $200 providers and we have $1000 providers. Supply and demand....and we have plenty of both in TX.
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<I disagree with providers being cheap in TX>

I don't think thats whats being said. Its not the providers that are cheap, its us guys!

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<though I have had a few pm's from Texas guys saying they don't fall into the "cheap, trying to drive the market down," category. >

So anyone that doesn't pay her rates is cheap. Wow, I don't know everything about business but I do know insulting potential cutomers is no way to do business.

Guys pay what they want to and ladies get what you can get. I'm not knocking anyone for what they choose. When you start pickin on Texas though,at least for me, you aren't gettin my money.

Texas is hobby-heaven, cause, Texas IS heaven!
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My usage of cheap was "inexpensive". The providers in TX are less expensive. You are reading what I stated incorrectly....or at least intended. There are "cheap" hobbyists who do not want to pay much and there are "cheap" providers who do not charge much. It is a fine line as to who controls either. I was simply defending the PROVIDERS who do not charge as much as other providers. You will find that there is a closer knit family within the hobby in TX because we are all in this together. It is a give and take......prices are lower because there are so MANY that WANT to work here in TX. Is it because men do not want to pay very much? Hardly. It is because of the work environment TX has to offer. A LOT of opportunity for maybe a little less money = A LOT more on your W2 at the end of the year.

Some providers are session driven (ie price per hour) and others are cash flow/end of year profit driven. Nashville because there is little competition is going to be higher priced. If money is so damn good in Nashville, why are there so few working there. Most providers are traveling to Nashville because no one else is working there. I usually only see local providers as the traveling providers are historically not as good since they have no "investment" in the area and can simply not come back to the area if they get a bad reputation for service. The ones that live in Nashville HAVE to be good because they do NOT travel. There just are not that many "local" providers in Nashville.

It is NOT the hobbyists who are cheap. It is the supply and demand aspects of the intense competition in TX that drives down the prices. We PAY what THEY charge. WE do not set prices, the PROVIDERS do. If providers want to charge $300 and do one session a day, they are welcome to do that. But at the end of the year, the "cheaper" providers will make more money. I realize this is a generalization, but it is fundamentally true.
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Ok there is some serious lack of mathematical intellect going on here lol. NO ONE knows how much any of us make per year, so by stating that someone at half the rate makes more is just ludicrous...no honey, she simply WORKS more lol. We have had this conversation about a million times and it's always the same answer....yes lower rates might equal more business, but they don't equal more money.


You have to work TWICE as hard to make the same as you could make at double that rate....sorry but that's a fact lol. I have tried both ways, and I can tell you where I am at now is a hell of a lot better than where I started from. I am more free to enjoy myself and be consistent, when I don't have to worry about how many guys I have to see that week.

You ask if money is better in other areas why aren't more TX girls going? Hell I don't know, maybe in some fantasy world you guys actually buy into girls who claim to like working 3 times as much for half the money lol. You don't think if we could all make a grand per hour on a consistent basis, we would still say nah just gimme $150 lol. Please.


My guess is because maybe many ladies can't afford to leave home that much. They may have families that don't know what they do, or other jobs that are not flexible. This could be something they do part-time and feel that they only need an extra 3-400 a week.


In that sense staying local makes sense for them, but again not ALL of us have that same luxury. I can't work local....period, because I have way too much going on to run into someone who may know me. For me, the expense of going out of town out weighs the risks I would take to stay at home.


I can't speak for the local market in Nashville because I am not a local, but I can tell you as a visiting provider charging $$$$, I have never come home with any less than 4k...EVER in ANY TN area. I also take into account which areas are more hourly for me like Memphis, and which are multi-hour like Knox. and Nash. Booking more multi-hours is always the better option for me, and I visit those areas more frequently.


I prefer to have my vagina in the same shape as it was when I started, and doing 2-3 guys a day several days a week is not going to work for me. The very few times I even tried to see 2 a day, I had to take the next day off lol.


When it gets to the point where I can't get my rates, I will simply find another area that will sustain them....and there are plenty. If worse comes to worse, I will quit escorting period before I subject myself to being torn up every week just to get by.

This is a JOB....plain and simple. I don't want to get to the point where I don't enjoy what I do anymore, and I can promise you that would happen if I were worn out all the time lol. Moderation is key in all I do, and after almost 3 years I am still at a level where I can actually look forward to my travels.

As for meet and greets outside of the date itself...no thanks! I don't need 20 people in this business seeing who I am all at once lol. I prefer to keep to myself and my private life stays PRIVATE. I have met with a few ladies for lunch before, but it was not some happy hour party thing with 50 people.



I also disagree that all traveling providers lack the same work ethic as local providers...that makes zero sense if someone has ALREADY established a reputation. I can GUARANTEE Dallas, nor myself has ever had that mentality or we would just stay home.



If a lady has that attitude then I doubt she does not have it all the time. Either you provide great service whereever you go, or you don't. Now some fly by Cl girl with no review history....maybe, but we are talking about providers who have actually worked to attain a good rep.


Why would anyone just say, "Oh well I can deliver crappy service in this location" and risk having bad reviews? After your statement about seeing 3 guys a day being the norm, well duh...that is quite a possibility, but that's not the norm for the smart provider.

The reason some of us charge more is so we CAN deliver quality service to only a few without getting jaded or worn out. The ultimate goal is to ALWAYS put your best foot forward in EVERY area you visit, and the reviews will back that up.



Clingus if you are that offended because of what someone thinks of your area, oh well. Are you the State Rep for Texas? No? Then who the hell cares what anyone thinks! Women come to nola all the time and say they don't like the work here, and I have yet to act like a kid with a skinned knee because of it.

And I didn't insult any potential customers lol...we have already established I would never subject myself to any of that crap. Even GUYS in TX. have laughed with me via pm about how cheap the market is there, so check your friends lol.


If I want to say the majority of guys in TX are cheap...it's because it is MY own experience, and not for you to debate. I did not say all did I? No because I have not met the entire state of TX. I am speaking from what I have heard, seen, read, and experienced. St. Louis was not my COT either, nor was Hartford....so? I will go where I am appreciated and not haggled...done! You go or stay where you are spoiled as well...neither of us is wrong.



It's not a personal attack on YOU or anyone else, but YES honey Texas is KNOWN for lower rates....that is a FACT! I really don't see why people get sooooo bent out of shape everytime someone makes a comment on a freaking location lol. Geez how old are we here? Trust me, Texas is not the only place I would never visit. For the record I did work in Austin back in 07, and I can tell you it SUCKED! Guys wanted multi-bell fs for $200 and still wanted the girl to provide the location lmao...yea right!

You guys can get 18 yr. old super models for less than 3 an hour, whereas other areas they are making 4-5, because there are not many ladies ...TN is a perfect example. The local market has some really lovely and well reviewed ladies, but not hundreds like TX does, so don't take offense when a provider does not want to screw 12 guys a week in Tx when she can do 5 elsewhere. It is simple marketing!

I really think if some of you guys walked in our shoes once in a while you might be able to better appreciate that not every provider can live on 3k a month lol. Some of us have many expenses that led us here to begin with, and if we can't pay those expenses what's the point of risking what we do to escort in the first place?

Just because a girl refuses to be bullied or intimidated into lowering her rates does not make her a snob or money hungry....it makes her an INDEPENDENT!


It's ok to say that there is a better hobby in Texas...we get that lol. At the same time it's the very reason many touring ladies at higher rates avoid the area...we are not stupid to think we will make as much money when there are literally HUNDREDS of FLAWLESS women also available for half the rate.

I think it is beyond immature to get all pissy just because someone says they don't want to visit an area....attitudes like that are why many women stay away lol. We didn't get mad because Introuble said Nashville sucked....we just pointed out why he was not getting what he desired since he was looking every place except where the market advertises. Oh and he also won't see touring ladies because he ASSUMES their work ethic is sub-standard to the locals lol...again who are you seeing?

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How in the hell did I miss this thread!!! Great discussion with some great points!!

I will be in Nashville for my first time August 24 - 26 (maybe even the 27th) and so far, inquiries and bookings have been good. I have seen a fe Nashville guys before when they have traveled in my area, so coming to Nashville was the next logical step, to see old friends and meet new ones.

As I have said, inquiries and bookings have been going well and I will probably have to add a day!

I advertised on P411, Escorts, posted on the calendar on Datecheck, SouthernGFE, TER and of course here. Most of my inquiries have come from Esocrts, P411 and here.
I guess I will put a quick one on Big Doggie.

I will let everyone know how it goes!

Again... I still can't believe I missed this thread with Babee, London, Dallas and others posting!!

Hi Megan!

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Well jump right on why don't ya. YES do post on TBD...that's where most of my biz has always come from, and e.com. If you judge by reviews alone, twice as many go up on tbd after you tour a place.

Good luck honey...I will be in Knox with Chella this week as well. Nash is AWESOME!!
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