Why I love the USA: 2 years for torturing an animal! Perfect!

[pyramider]

Maybe someone was chasing pussy.

[Energy]

Originally Posted by St. Francisco

We can argue about the injustices of short sentences for rapists and pedophiles all day long...but I agree with harsh sentences for animal abusers. I have three dogs...and they're not pets, they're part of my family as much as anyone else. To see the things that people do to animals disgusts me.

Not to mention the fact that it's been said time and time again that abusing animals is a "gateway drug" of sorts into harming people.

Whoaaa! While it's probably true that abusing an animal rates a serious penalty, let's not cross into the "animals are people" territory. They are not. They are pets, beasts of burden, and sources of food. But they are NOT people.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Energy

Whoaaa! While it's probably true that abusing an animal rates a serious penalty, let's not cross into the "animals are people" territory. They are not. They are pets, beasts of burden, and sources of food. But they are NOT people.

As a psychologist I want you to consider two things: People , who torture animals for fun are known to be one of the persons later known as psychopaths. It is in almost every history of people who committed crimes to humans later on. People usually ignore these signs, because of the said notion you do. It was visible already in their youth, but their parents chose to ignore it, until they killed and abused humans.

In my school was a case of someone being psychopath and he killed his sister and the sister already warned her parents about these things, that he was torturing cats and dogs and that he was evil with her as well. Everyone ignored her. But now she is dead. Congratulations on human reasoning.

So, given your assumption that animals are no "persons" (which I call wrong, no one of us has the right to judge this) why does it happen that people that torture animals are also prone to abusing humans? Must be a relations.

Animals with a limbic system (the one with emotions) ARE indeed persons. They do have personality.

And if you go in a Nature Park and see some bears , then tell me again who is on top of the "food chain" , ok )). I think we need to re-think the notion that creatures that are helpless to us, are free to be done with whatever we wish. I don`t think this is correct. we are smart enough to be protective and have some insight. Even my cats do have insight (sometimes I assume more than humans, no pun intended) because they very well can make a difference when playing with their nails and when playing normally.



I also have a problem with so called "pretentious animal lovers" who exchange their pets all the time as soon as they really need to care about them, instead of using them to fulfill their needs. Christmas presents to kids or whoever else are a great example of that. Many animals end up in shelters later on because no one really cares about them, and they see a big dog not as cute anymore as baby dog. But - instead of getting smart and not having animals or pets, they do the same mistake later on again and again. Brrr.... It shosws a lack of emotion or carelessness on the human side, and does reveal a lot about character to me. I never understood people who have pets and then give them away and then take on another few. Scary. Makes me wonder on how they treat humans?

And the animals develop nasty behaviour because people don`t care for them and their needs. It is really hard to win the trust of such animals again.

[Cameo Knightley]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

As a psychologist I want you to consider two things: People , who torture animals for fun are known to be one of the persons later known as psychopaths. It is in almost every history of people who committed crimes to humans later on. People usually ignore these signs, because of the said notion you do. It was visible already in their youth, but their parents chose to ignore it, until they killed and abused humans.

In my school was a case of someone being psychopath and he killed his sister and the sister already warned her parents about these things, that he was torturing cats and dogs and that he was evil with her as well. Everyone ignored her. But now she is dead. Congratulations on human reasoning.

So, given your assumption that animals are no "persons" (which I call wrong, no one of us has the right to judge this) why does it happen that people that torture animals are also prone to abusing humans? Must be a relations.

Animals with a limbic system (the one with emotions) ARE indeed persons. They do have personality.

And if you go in a Nature Park and see some bears , then tell me again who is on top of the "food chain" , ok )). I think we need to re-think the notion that creatures that are helpless to us, are free to be done with whatever we wish. I don`t think this is correct. we are smart enough to be protective and have some insight. Even my cats do have insight (sometimes I assume more than humans, no pun intended) because they very well can make a difference when playing with their nails and when playing normally.



I also have a problem with so called "pretentious animal lovers" who exchange their pets all the time as soon as they really need to care about them, instead of using them to fulfill their needs. Christmas presents to kids or whoever else are a great example of that. Many animals end up in shelters later on because no one really cares about them, and they see a big dog not as cute anymore as baby dog. But - instead of getting smart and not having animals or pets, they do the same mistake later on again and again. Brrr.... It shosws a lack of emotion or carelessness on the human side, and does reveal a lot about character to me. I never understood people who have pets and then give them away and then take on another few. Scary. Makes me wonder on how they treat humans?

And the animals develop nasty behaviour because people don`t care for them and their needs. It is really hard to win the trust of such animals again.

Yes I agree with this

[misspriss]

There is a proven link between animal abuse and violence against humans.

Whenever we see a story in the news about a gunman opening fire in a room full of innocent moviegoers or the story about the missing teenage girl who was found raped and murdered we all shake our head and think “WHO COULD HAVE” “HOW COULD SOMEONE DO THIS” “WHAT SICKO WOULD DO” and I’ll tell you exactly who that person is…an experienced psychopath.

That doesn’t just happen overnight. No single person just wakes up and says “TODAY I WILL KIDNAP AND TORTURE A CHILD” or “TODAY I’LL OPEN FIRE ON A CROWD OF PEOPLE” … they were born that way. More often than not, there is warning signs – animal cruelty being a HUGE one. Instead of shaking our heads and excusing behavior because the offender is young or it’s JUST an animal, we should see this for what it really is. Not a juvenile prank but an indication of something being terribly wrong with a human being.

This is a clear indication that the offender has no regard for life, not animal life but LIFE and LIVING BEINGS as a whole. He starts with animals, why? Because they are helpless easy targets and of course, he needs to perfect his skills before he graduates to hunt with the big dogs.

They always graduate. When poking a cat’s eyes out no longer fancies him or he grows bored with burning live dogs, someone’s daughter goes missing. A person capable of torturing animals will not hesitate to pick up a gun and kill someone – their moral compass is already way past off and anything goes. If your child is one the other end, how would you feel?

Volunteer at a shelter or with a local rescue for just a week and I guarantee the things you see will make you question humanity.

I don’t care if they come down too hard on these people, rather that than not at all. With tougher restrictions on breeding and by changing legislation to ensure those who choose to neglect/abuse animals receive stringent penalties, the world will be a better place for all of us, not just animals.

[AnnelieseBell]

Originally Posted by John Bull

And in the future, you'll find lot's of topics like that in the National Co-Ed Forum and we'll reserve D&T for things related to sex and beautiful women and the lustful men who chase after them.

This is an intelligent discussion with (mostly) well researched opinions. I consider this to be exactly the sort of conversation Diamonds and Tuxedos would enjoy engaging in. Does the content matter more than the interaction?

But maybe I'm wrong.

[John Bull]

Enjoy discussing cruelty to animals? Surely you jest! I find nothing enjoyable about that subject and unless a person is the kind of freak who would engage in that activity, I can't imagine anyone else does either.
Take it to National Co-Ed Discussion.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Enjoy discussing cruelty to animals? Surely you jest! I find nothing enjoyable about that subject and unless a person is the kind of freak who would engage in that activity, I can't imagine anyone else does either.
Take it to National Co-Ed Discussion.

What is the National Co-Ed Discussion Board? The National Board? I agree with you that this is not one of my most sexy postings on a escort board, but respect is for sure something that matters, also to animals. But if it`s not the right post for this Area, I agree to just "put" it somewhere else. Would you mind doing that and moving the thread to where its accurate? Thanks and sorry for posting in the wrong area .

[John Bull]

http://www.eccie.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Try this Nina. It's called Main Discussion and would be perfect for this subject.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by John Bull

http://www.eccie.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Try this Nina. It's called Main Discussion and would be perfect for this subject.

Thanks And sorry again, I see that some of my posts are perfectly "off topic" so to speak I will try to be more "sexy" in the future

[pyramider]

A modtard tries to move this to Main Discusstions and then another modtard will move it to the Sandbox.

[AnnelieseBell]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Enjoy discussing cruelty to animals? Surely you jest! I find nothing enjoyable about that subject and unless a person is the kind of freak who would engage in that activity, I can't imagine anyone else does either.
Take it to National Co-Ed Discussion.

Well, I meant an intelligent exchange of differing opinions on any subject is an enjoyable way to converse, but when you put it that way I see your point. It is a very unsavory topic and it's too bad the subject exists at all in life.

[Joyce]

People are animals....and outside our doors they stay away from us because they have brains and memory because of what they are taught and what they have seen our breed do in grotesque torture. Some animals can gang up, like dogs, and kill us. And take lions for instance. They will run down their prey, bite the lower back of the spine to paralyze and deaden the body, then suffocate by strangulation, till their dinner is dead before ripping into it. That is feeling and thoughtful. When you see birds tapping on the ground or tree branch, they are killing the bug by smashing its head first till dead and knocked out, then chomping into it. Nice. Based on interacting with all free animal beings, some you can can play and communicate with and they will likewise with you. They also farm a little. They know how much and what of a plant they may eat and the rest left alone, as well as to avoid seed existance so new plants will grow. And if you really want to get deeper into science, plant parents know their plant children as in green and leafy.