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Originally Posted by Laurentius
My point, in case I am beating around the bush too much; is that I think your argument against CIM based upon your unwillingness to accept HIV risks is not well-reasoned. If health risks were the true operative factor; you would already have dropped a great many things off your menu that have far greater risks including kissing, covered sex, and touching.
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Your overall point is sound and should be disagreeable to no one, but this part i believe is a bit of a logical fallacy. I say that on the assumption that "CIM" is, in part, code for BBBJ. What i mean is this. The unfortunate reality is that the limitation of risk needs to be kept within the boundaries of what's reasonable. In this business, not touching is not really reasonable. Refusing even covered sex is not really reasonable. At least not if one hopes to make a living in this business. And kissing, well, you could probably argue that one either way. So when compared to the difference between performing only CBJ or performing BBBJ, touching or not touching is a huge gulf. As is having protected sex vs having no sex. In other words, there's a substantial difference between offering BJ but requiring a condom, and not touching, to where it's not really fair to make a comparison of the two.
Not entirely articulate, so let me attempt it from a different angle.
CBJ Girls:
Crossing the street is risky.
Riding in a car is risky.
Let's lessen the risk of riding in a car by wearing a seat belt.
Laurentius:
Crossing the street is risky.
Riding in a car is risky.
If you're not going to stop crossing the street, then why bother wearing a seat belt?
Maybe not any better, but it's the best i got.
That all said, i do realize that in full context you're also arguing that (using my example) seatbelts do nothing to actually save lives. Nevertheless, with even just the infinitesimal possibility (if that's what it truly is) of HIV transmission hanging out there, taking what i believe is little more than a simple precaution is not something that anyone should begrudge.
I don't want it to sound like i have a major disagreement, because like i said, your overall point is entirely agreeable. Just had a quibble with that one aspect of your argument is all.
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Originally Posted by China Doll
because as my cyber lover Laurentius puts it
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