So it's a tax.

[CJ7]

Joined by the court’s four liberal justices — Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — he (Roberts) agreed with the government’s alternative argument, that the penalty for refusing to buy health coverage amounts to a tax and thus is permitted.

[Ducbutter]

The majority opinion was not only read by the CJ but it was authored by him which meant that he was in agreement with the other 4 justices. Thus the majority. The opinion is not always read by the CJ even in other instances where the CJ is among the majority.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

nobody knows how many people that will be but the estimate is around 1%

True, no one knows what percentage it will be, but I'm guessing once everyone figures out all the IRS can do to collect those taxes/penalties is send you a letter once a month until you die, it will be much, much higher. Why would anybody pay 3K+ per year for insurance when you can get it free and never have to pay the $695 penalty?

[CuteOldGuy]

This will effect everybody. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

This will effect everybody. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Well hell yes it will "effect everybody," Mr. Einstein! Earth to Mr. StupidOldFart, It's now the law of the land. Let me repeat it one more time. It's the law of the land! Why? Because it has passed through all 3 branches of the Federal Government. Either get over it or join Rush on the next flight to Damascus! I'll pay for your way, as well!

All of you whiners and the criers need to suck on your bottles until your diapers overload. Hopefully, someone will come along to change em, cuz we all know you guys are not smart enough to do it yourselves. To make matters worse, you are all full of shit!!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Hopefully, someone will come along shortly to change your diapers!

I think that's included in the bill, too.

Pay attention to the thread, BigTurd. Some were saying if you have your own insurance, Obamacare won't effect you. It will.

Now back to your previously scheduled delusion.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

This will effect everybody.

And mostly in a positive way. Not that you care.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

True, no one knows what percentage it will be, but I'm guessing once everyone figures out all the IRS can do to collect those taxes/penalties is send you a letter once a month until you die, it will be much, much higher. Why would anybody pay 3K+ per year for insurance when you can get it free and never have to pay the $695 penalty?

since its defined as a tax the IRS may have the power to garnish wages and freeze accounts

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Pay attention to the thread, BigTurd. Some were saying if you have your own insurance, Obamacare won't effect you. It will.

Earth to StupidOldFart!!!!! I have been "paying attention" to the endless bitching and moaning threads that the pathetic crybabies and losers have ranted and raved about for the past 2 1/2 friggin' days.

It is time for each of you to clean your shitty, urine drenched diapers before somebody calls the EPA to investigate your smelly asses!

Damn, I feel soooo much better now!

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by CJ7

since its defined as a tax the IRS may have the power to garnish wages and freeze accounts

From what I'm hearing, they'll withhold from your tax refund if you have any coming. And I agree with your thought about them garnishing wages, etc.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

since its defined as a tax the IRS may have the power to garnish wages and freeze accounts

(2) Special rules Notwithstanding any other provision of law—
(A) Waiver of criminal penalties In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.

(B) Limitations on liens and levies The Secretary shall not—
(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.

They would have never got it passed if they said they were going to imprison and garnish people's wages for not buying insurance. I think they are depending on the masses not figuring it out, and certainly some never will.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by Doove

If one judge out of nine calls it a tax, i think it's a bit of a reach to say SCOTUS decided it was a tax.

And since I think that we've established that it is a tax, does anyone have any ideas as to the constitutionality of the 'carve- outs' ?

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

From what I'm hearing, they'll withhold from your tax refund if you have any coming. And I agree with your thought about them garnishing wages, etc.

Not according to what I'm reading, the law itself. It is pretty funny, ask ten people that have never read the law, and all ten will tell you something different.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

(2) Special rules Notwithstanding any other provision of law—
(A) Waiver of criminal penalties In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.

(B) Limitations on liens and levies The Secretary shall not—
(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.

They would have never got it passed if they said they were going to imprison and garnish people's wages for not buying insurance. I think they are depending on the masses not figuring it out, and certainly some never will.

I assumed the IRS would get their pound of flesh any way they could

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by CJ7

I assumed the IRS would get their pound of flesh any way they could

We don't know that there won't be some future legislation that puts some teeth into the measure.