Accusations

[alupnit]

Well i have enjoyed my stay and play in this hobby until last night a negative review of sarah has cost me my p411 account and damaging accusation of rape . I wanna thank the few providers that emailed me to tell me what was being said on the back pages makes a man really know that there are true providers that care about there clients . I would like to hear from providers and hobbyist what the best thing to do now that my credibility has been damaged thousands of miles from baton rouge . I dont see myself hobbying anymore p411 was my lifeline on screening . I just wanna know one anwser from sarah if there was rape why didnt you stop at the sheriffs office you pass it leaving my house i would rather have charges pressed then accusation that way i would have my day at a lie detector test or court . To those who have messaged me why a no try no make up dressed like a (Staff edit - Forbidden topic) body odor everytime i asked do you offer this the anwser was no why do you list it on your p411 the anwser i will have to go back and revise that she got digruntled when i stopped her second bbj and told her it was time to leave i payed you 3 bills for your 15 minutes of louzy service . Sarah do you remember you last words as i walked you to my door i do you better not write a bad review of me well i did and wouldnt have it any other way. Well mods if you find this post to be in violation remove it i just think since my name was smeared throughout the country on the ladys boards that maybe the men need to know the real sarah. I wanna thank the lady at p411 that helped me this am but gina called me back and banned me . I have met some wonderful ladies here you know who yall are keep in touch .

[stavinChain]

Here that noise? That's the sound of Sarah being crossed of hundreds of guys' to-do lists.

Thanks for the info, and sorry to hear of your troubles.

[rogerdodger]

wow. too bad.

seems to me that ... if you have reviewed other providers positively AND they give you a recommendation - you should be good to go if you are sticking to well-reviewed providers on Eccie.

time will tell whether this sticks. remember who you are playing with at all times.

[lexilove]

Only the two parties involved knows what really went down on that visit but...


I feel lead by the Spirit to speak on ALUPINIT'S behalf.


I've been seeing ALUPINIT for 3 years and he's ALWAYS been nothing but RESPECTFUL and KIND to me. I've been touring Louisiana for years. I've only done ONE OUTCALL to anyone's HOME in that state, and that is ALUPINIT!!!! That should tell anyone reading the TRUST and FAITH I have in him.


Everytime I've done an outcall to his home, he's always called me afterwards to make sure I made it back to my hotel SAFELY. That concern should speak volumes in regards to the kind of man he is, CARING and CONSIDERATE!!!!!!


ALUPINIT, keep your chin up sweetie, you've always got a friend in BAMA.


Lexi Love

[mriley000]

+1 Roger. +1 Lexi. i agree with both points made. alupnit you have been around long enough in this hobby and have surely made many friends on both sides of the genders. i have not met most of you but i have come to know the handles and enjoyed reading daily. you are not out of this hobby or ruined by this and you will be back. of that i have no doubt.

[pornodave69]

Bummer. I'm sure you'll be able to keep playing, especially with the ladies you already know. You can always use them as references when needed. Stick with the reputable, well established ladies so you don't have to deal with the crazy, young girls who don't know any better. She'll lose a lot of business from the guys here and it'll bite her on the ass.

[MrGiz]

I am hoping Gina, with P411 sees this thread, and reverses her penalty!

I'm with Lexi... I too, have met Alupinut... a true Hobby Gentlemen with a long-standing excellent reputation with many-many of the same girls we have been lucky enough to share!

I am quite sure many other testimonials have been given in his behalf!!

Let the truth take care of everything....

[alupnit]

Thanks everyone means alot to be apart of a community who really cares . Lexie your a doll maybe we will set a date in jan 2013 so we can watch lsu take the national title from bama ha ha . Giz i cant really blame gina its a bussiness decision to ban me bc the accusations were so serious and the date was set through her site . Only thing i wish she would have done was investigate instead of just throwing me to the wolves . I will say this it took me two months and jumping through hoops to get on there and it took sarah two weeks to get on there and one night to have me thrown off. Hey i will step back and reassess my hobbying who knows maybe i will be back maybe i wont but i will still try and be a part of the community. Thanks again everyone.

[gimme_that]

Does the provider who accused you of rape have your real life info. Like your real name or anything? Or did you just use prior references to screen? If she doesn't have any of that, your Hoecred is intact.

And dude I know this sucks and I couldn't imagine being in your position.......but usually when these he said she said threads are posted more times than not Gina will side moreso on the side of the HOBBYIST than the provider. So hearing that you got banned on p411 is certainly a surprise to me to hear. Maybe she provided enough info and a story the Gina felt warranted the quick action.

And no need to take a break unless you want to, deception at times is part of the business and you just got the ugly side of it. But you could easily set up a "datecheck" account and still see ladies, you could set it up quick using lexi and other providers you have seen as your backup. I think its admirable that Lexi and other posters have posted on your behalf, but they can't really verify either way what really happened; and providers who post are putting their own reputations at risk by posting on your behalf should this alleged incident occur again.

You might want to guest or disable your account and start another name maybe here. The ladies do it all the time when its discovered they offer bad service, so it can be used for good too I guess. No need to place doubt in other ladies mind when they are contemplating seeing you.

But you also have the option of standing your ground and seeing and reviewing more ladies here. If her service really sucks and she is proven to be deceptive it will come to light eventually. And I'm sure guys will avoid seeing her in any case unless she speaks on it openly and convincingly in open forum. But if she's a hot lay (I haven't seen her pics yet) dudes will always take their chances for their own benefit. No allegiance there at all.

Sorry you had to deal with this and hopefully you will be back to contribute in the future. That's a hotmess and a nightmare hobbywise.

[alupnit]

Thanks gimme but i will not disable or change my handle i did nothing wrong but tell her to get off me cuz i notices red bumps all over her ass paid her and told her it was time to leave even walked her to the door . I had a well know provider sheduled for wednesday been trying to shedule with her for over a month but for some reason she cancels on me the day before its the third cancealtion in a week from well knows dont ask me why all p411 ladies . She has my first name and my address my suggestion to her is to bring it to the authorities if she believes her post are what she claims happened a simple lie detector test will prove my innocence . I will check into datecheck never heard of it but i really dont know if i want to put my innocence in the hands of another provider . THanks to all who have pmed me .

[gimme_that]

Originally Posted by alupnit

She has my first name and my address my suggestion to her is to bring it to the authorities if she believes her post are what she claims happened

I see this suggested a lot in these threads. It seems like the more suitble thing to do given the situation.........but a lot of provider want to maintain their discreetness. Le affliation and help is not always the best response to these situations because it places more alert for them on her due to her own illegal activities.

Originally Posted by alupnit

a simple lie detector test will prove my innocence .

Only on Maury mostly. Some don't stand up in court. Its not a for sure solution for the truth. Even a rape kit via hospitals can be tainted.

Originally Posted by alupnit

i really dont know if i want to put my innocence in the hands of another provider .

That's understandable. But potential providers you want to see who research you during screening don't want to put their lives in jeopardy allegedly to prove your innocense. For the ones that accept and agree to see you beware of the purses, they will be ready..........

Just kidding man. Get a datecheck and keep it moving, you'/l do just fine.

[thegfegirls]

Chances are this is most likely the problem, no offense to either party in this but who knows if in fact something wrong was done by either party? Better safe than sorry will be most peoples situation as it seems Gina chose.

We have banned and blacklisted many gents for behavior that everyone here claims just would never happen by those members, thats the reason we do not give references anymore. We cant control what a gent may or may not do during a session with another provider, nor if the other provider may do something wrong to the client and in the end since everyone here is so hung up on their version of screening, we would get dragged into it as the "persona who said so and so was ok".

Fact is what one provider calls rape, some of us call sex worth having lol but sometimes good guys do stupid shit as well. I say this business is a PRIVATE affair because you can take someone elses word for what happened, but in the end, you have no clue what is true. If you force a girl down on you and hold her down, there will always be a point when someone feels they are being forced against their will, (most likely depends on how long they can hold their breath) and at the point they cant.. thats rape, and while many of us may just see it as an overexcited fella, others may not. There is far too much left to self interpretation in this biz, so next time make sure the provider you choose is your "type" before you strike a deal.

Personally whats worse than whats happening with this gent and his date isnt the terrible part.. its watching a bunch of folks who dont know what happened , saying they know what happened simply because when they met the gent, he wasnt raping anyone at that time and those people would have no prob ignoring the issues and sending anothewr provider off to see him and perhaps to her death, again not saying the gent did the "rape" thing, but if he recently started steroids or something or his wife took him for everything and hes mad at women all of a sudden, and you dont know, u would , without having all the info, endanger a provider? Shame on you, really. This right here shows the root of why the industry will always be looked down on and forced underground, because people who have no real info are the ones giving the advice. If in fact a provider does get raped, a bunch of "buds" gang up and slander the girl before shes yet to do anything, which is obviously going to make her NOT press charges hoping it will all go away and not hurt what business she has left, yall are a mob, and you ruin any respect or honor this business can have in it. at least 3 people posted here that the girl is lying who cant possibly know for sure.. that makes you a public liar, and now everyone else knows that you will in fact tell lies and ruin a provider all for ur friends.

Makes you wonder what else have all you people been lying about that you really did not know and how many other providers have you destroyed or harmed doing it? Just curious, if the accusation here was that one of yall gave an std to a girl, would all you folks come out of the woodwork and defend the guy saying u know he doesnt have anything before seeing the test? Fair question no?


This question is random and does not depict any current sitation with any providers/clients who are members here in any way or that we will admit to being aware of lol.

[jl11]

Yeah I think if a provider can't take a good fucking then maybe she's in the wrong business. I don't know what happened so I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but if you're a provider and feel that you're being raped by being held down, then say, "can you please not do that". If he continues, I don't see where it's rape as long as it was consentual sex. I've done this before, but not to the point of it causing her pain or bruising or anything. If a woman tells me she's into being punched or harmed, I couldn't do it.

If the man violates the no greek policy, rape.
If the man violates the protection policy, rape.
Deepthroat against her consent, rape.

Maybe you providers should start letting everyone know in your menus if you don't like being held down and fucked. Maybe you can call it preferring Nancy boys. Sorry, I just thought a lot of women love bringing out the animal in a man when they agree to consentual sex.
Possibly this provider is dom friendly and wants to take the man, it seems possible huh...

[Annie Calhoun]

Originally Posted by jl11

Yeah I think if a provider can't take a good fucking then maybe she's in the wrong business.


Maybe you providers should start letting everyone know in your menus if you don't like being held down and fucked. Maybe you can call it preferring Nancy boys.

You're disgusting. Glad it's out in the open.

[DaniellaDViante]

I whole heartedly agree with Annie. Besides, how could you go through with booking an appointment with a verified and reviewed girl and NOT know what was on the menu and what was not?

Originally Posted by jl11

but if you're a provider and feel that you're being raped by being held down, then say, "can you please not do that". If he continues, I don't see where it's rape as long as it was consentual sex.

I'm sorry but this makes no bit of sense. Let me show you EXACTLY where it becomes rape (this is from a lawyer friend, fyi):

" Even if the overall session (or any engagement between two adult parties) was consentual, once you begin engaging in acts that are not consentual, your officially in the wrong. The sex may have been decided as "okay", but if a specific sexual act was expressed by your partner as not okay, you need to understand that by continuing that act against express wishes you are now knowingly engaging in non -consentual sex against the will of your partner."
Like it or not, that is the truth.

Its my understanding that the idea of this hobby is not "call the girl, pay her rate, do whatever the hell you want with her in the alloted time". There are entire websites (such as this), a whole dictionary of acronyms, reviews, and many other means so that you know what is and is not on the menu long before issues like this can even arise.

An exchange of cash does not mean an exchange of complete control, and a forfeit of humanity.

Overall, no one can truly pass judgement on either side. Last I checked, only two people were there, not all of Eccie.