Do reviews count as references?

[Likinikki]

I agree with SKF, reviews DO COUNT as references...why wouldn't they? If I'm contacted by a hobbyist who has X number of reviews...I simply send a pm, to the reviewed providers, with all of the hobbyist's information. I ask if they can verify the hobbyist...did the session really take place...and, ask to verify the information I included. It's very simple...it's either YES or NO.

It would be repetitive to ask a hobbyist for references...if he has them listed already. With that being said...if his reviews are *outdated* I would ask for more *current* references...but, only in that scenario.

[atxdream]

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

Damn, it would have been easier to change the other thread's title than to re-quote everything over here.

Yes it would have

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

Ahh...so these can be used and are references. That's good to know.

However, the verification portion of this comes when the ladies take the information provided from the reference and make their inquiries.

The verification from the reference along with the answers to said inquiries
is what's known as a, vouch. Correct?

These parts make up the entire process which is known as, screening, did I get that right?

So if one of these elements is missing, or a step is skipped, then that would be considered a half-ass job of screening, is that correct?

Take Sanan's reviews for example. Most of his ladies are BP providers and the links to their ads are no longer there. If he wanted me to contact the ladies he reviewed as refs, then there is a WHOLE lot of work involved for me to find out if the girl is someone I take as a reference (is she well known, does she screen, does she have other reviews, etc) and then I have to try to track her down. BP links only last so long before the ads expire. But the last lady he saw with the basic info filled out was over 9 months ago. I'm sure if he contacts reputable eccie ladies in the manner he is approaching this topic, he probably doesn't get very many responses.

Trying to determine someone is not LE is a VERY small part of the screening process.

When a gent contacts me and asks that I contact the ladies he's reviewed as references it's not always a lost cause. If he has reviewed reputable eccie providers, included the correct contact info, and is willing to provide me additional info (his phys descr, phone #, email or whatever else the provider needs to vouch for him) then the process can be pretty easy.

Many gents on here can attest to the fact that I don't care how well known someone is or how many reviews they have, I will still check him out. It only took making the mistake of going on someones reputation once before I learned the hard way that one can never assume just bc they have a lot of reviews they are the ideal hobbyist.

[Likinikki]

Well, common sense plays an integral part of screening, ATX. I mean, if a hobbyist only has BP reviews...and, I don't accept BP providers for references...would stand to reason that I would have to ask for other references. (lol) Your thread asked a generic question, "do reviews count as references?" My answer, for myself, is...yes, with exceptions as I stated before.

[SofaKingFun]

Okay, that's fair enough however, most any provider isn't going to take dated references anyway, correct (dated meaning, over say 6 mos or so)?

Nor are they going to take a reference that is no longer around, or whatever..

My point being; providers are only going to take solid, verifiable, references for use to screen a gent.

That said, shouldn't it hold that a mongers review, rather the subject of said review-- providing everything is up to snuff and as it should be,-- should be sufficient for use as a reference for the purpose of screening a potential client? It's the same thing, is it not?

Again, all things being equal and everything up to date and up to par, Compared to having whatever you require from a potential client in the form of a reference, would it not be better to be provided a link to a review as opposed to simply the subjects handle, contact info, etc. ? Wouldn't it supply you with even more information than you had originally requested?

I'm just curious and you're certainly free to screen however you deem fit. I have no problem with any of that. That's your deal and your business. All I'm wanting to know is why a review can not be used as a link or a referral to a reference?
(all things being equal). It just seems to me that if everything is current and all links lead to the referenced provider, that it's more beneficial to the inquiring provider because even more information has been provided by the potential client in the public area of the review

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[sanan]

Originally Posted by atxdream

Yes it would have





Take Sanan's reviews for example. Most of his ladies are BP providers and the links to their ads are no longer there. If he wanted me to contact the ladies he reviewed as refs, then there is a WHOLE lot of work involved for me to find out if the girl is someone I take as a reference (is she well known, does she screen, does she have other reviews, etc) and then I have to try to track her down. BP links only last so long before the ads expire. But the last lady he saw with the basic info filled out was over 9 months ago. I'm sure if he contacts reputable eccie ladies in the manner he is approaching this topic, he probably doesn't get very many responses.

Trying to determine someone is not LE is a VERY small part of the screening process.

When a gent contacts me and asks that I contact the ladies he's reviewed as references it's not always a lost cause. If he has reviewed reputable eccie providers, included the correct contact info, and is willing to provide me additional info (his phys descr, phone #, email or whatever else the provider needs to vouch for him) then the process can be pretty easy.

Many gents on here can attest to the fact that I don't care how well known someone is or how many reviews they have, I will still check him out. It only took making the mistake of going on someones reputation once before I learned the hard way that one can never assume just bc they have a lot of reviews they are the ideal hobbyist.

Well you need not fret as I absolutely would not be sending you anything, read my sig to see why.

But as you say above, you need enough data on a referred provider to blackmail her!

And as this whole thing is about trust, I think you can ultimately doubt your own mirror image is really you.

But that you keep thumping that old pot all the time leads me to wonder are you trying to panic the rest of us into this self doubting that you suffer?

And with all the words flying about this site about such things eg foundations of ECCIE -, like who is fake and who is real etc; I could be forgiven for wondering what your agenda is?

What is your point ATXbdream?

Are you trying to cast doubt on the brave posters here? That they are all, or any of them fakes, that the provider reviews are fake, that the VIPS here are somehow not real? Or worse, that the girls who CAN ONLY get on BP are some sort of reject?

Ya know, when I see a kook on a site I usually back off as gentle as I can, no sense in feeding a fire that needs put out. What about PUBLICITY free adds?

Now look what ya did! made me say the P word!

Well think about it folks, ATXbdreams seems hell bent on having a publicity fair just for her?

How bout that.

Let me ask you a question Counselor, how did we all get along before you and your shadow arrived in SA?

[atxdream]

Originally Posted by Likinikki

Well, common sense plays an integral part of screening, ATX. I mean, if a hobbyist only has BP reviews...and, I don't accept BP providers for references...would stand to reason that I would have to ask for other references. (lol) Your thread asked a generic question, "do reviews count as references?" My answer, for myself, is...yes, with exceptions as I stated before.

I did not read your response before posting mine; however, I did not stsrt this topic, i simply moved it out of my other thread by opening it up here. I'm pretty sure Sanan thinks providers should do nothing more than just see that he has reviews and not contact the ladies. I could be wrong but my understanding is that he thinks the fact that he's written reviews and posted a lot on this board should be enough for a lady to trust him. My point in my response was that he has 1) old reviews 2) BP providers & 3) contact info missing from reviews. So for HIM to be upset that we want more info than that, is just absurd. I know you are someone who knows the value of screening and doesn't compromise on it for your safety and the safety of your friends, so I think we can all agree that Sanan is way off target.

[atxdream]

Originally Posted by sanan

Well you need not fret as I absolutely would not be sending you anything, read my sig to see why.

But as you say above, you need enough data on a referred provider to blackmail her!

And as this whole thing is about trust, I think you can ultimately doubt your own mirror image is really you.

But that you keep thumping that old pot all the time leads me to wonder are you trying to panic the rest of us into this self doubting that you suffer?

And with all the words flying about this site about such things eg foundations of ECCIE -, like who is fake and who is real etc; I could be forgiven for wondering what your agenda is?

What is your point ATXbdream?

Are you trying to cast doubt on the brave posters here? That they are all, or any of them fakes, that the provider reviews are fake, that the VIPS here are somehow not real? Or worse, that the girls who CAN ONLY get on BP are some sort of reject?

Ya know, when I see a kook on a site I usually back off as gentle as I can, no sense in feeding a fire that needs put out. What about PUBLICITY free adds?

Now look what ya did! made me say the P word!

Well think about it folks, ATXbdreams seems hell bent on having a publicity fair just for her?

How bout that.

Let me ask you a question Counselor, how did we all get along before you and your shadow arrived in SA?

Can someone translate without the emoticans? Ugh nevermind, he's climbing his way to the top of most ladies DNS list all by himself.

[Pepper_Springfield]

Yes, you can get a ref by looking at a review and contacting the girl, but the review itself is not enough for some girls to just "ok" you. Just fyi, I've called some backpage girls for refs and I very rarely get a ref. They wont remember the person, or they hang up on me lol Maybe they get freaked out. I dunno.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by atxdream

Can someone translate without the emoticans? Ugh nevermind, he's climbing his way to the top of most ladies DNS list all by himself.

The readers digest version is he has no common sense and he does not like you challenging him.

[foxyred73]

it is how you look at it

[sensualsanaa]

Reviews can be a great starting point for screening to be used in conjunction with my other screening requirements. For example, if hobbiest X contacts me and says "I've seen plenty of girls, look at my reviews!" And all of them are from spa girls, strip clubs, or shady bp girls then I won't ask for additional info since none of those suffice. If he has reviews of verified women who I have met before or who I know to be legit then I will contact the girls via the review, reference that and make sure things are still okay. In my opinion if a gentlemen can't do something as simple as submit the required information for screening, how can I trust he will be able to conduct himself in person

[sanan]

Originally Posted by sensualsanaa

Reviews can be a great starting point for screening to be used in conjunction with my other screening requirements. For example, if hobbiest X contacts me and says "I've seen plenty of girls, look at my reviews!" And all of them are from spa girls, strip clubs, or shady bp girls then I won't ask for additional info since none of those suffice. If he has reviews of verified women who I have met before or who I know to be legit then I will contact the girls via the review, reference that and make sure things are still okay. In my opinion if a gentlemen can't do something as simple as submit the required information for screening, how can I trust he will be able to conduct himself in person

This is a better approach to screening!

[sanan]

Originally Posted by Pepper_Springfield

Yes, you can get a ref by looking at a review and contacting the girl, but the review itself is not enough for some girls to just "ok" you. Just fyi, I've called some backpage girls for refs and I very rarely get a ref. They wont remember the person, or they hang up on me lol Maybe they get freaked out. I dunno.

Again by experience you know some VIPs are not any longer available, moved out of town, quit, UTR etc. But still you will agree a person who HAS many reviews and is a long time on this site is less likely to be LE, or abuse a VIP.

Already noted that newbie VIPs are more likely to screen all prospects with the same process, esp. those that are new to ECCIE.

BTW nice showcase :0)

[raedy4funn45]

If you want a car loan, provide proof of income.

If you want cross the border, show them your passport

If you want to see certain ladies on here, send them the requested information. If they want to check on the reviews I posted, fine. I always provide the requested information if I truly want to meet someone. If what they request makes me feel uncomfortable, then I have the choice to say no, and not have a date with them

Rules are rules. If you want to play the game, you follow the rules.

[Mokoa]

Originally Posted by sanan

But still you will agree a person who HAS many reviews and is a long time on this site is less likely to be LE, or abuse a VIP.

Agree? Hell no!

"Less likely" in no way assures that person "is less likely to be LE, or abuse a VIP", as you say. Also, as I stated to you before, to a lady who does not know you it is irrelevant.