References & First Contact Running Thread for Providers

[atxdream]

After a late night convo with an established provider and long convo today with a new provider, I thought it would be a good idea to bring a thread from a dif board/city to help streamline the reference/first contact process. New providers/hobbyists (and some established) don't always know each providers personal preferences, so hopefully this will serve as a resource.
I've seen this in "secure" ladies areas but not everyone has access to that, especially new providers.
PROVIDERS: Do you provide refs? If so, what's the best method to get a response from you? What info do you need to verify you've seen a gent?
What's your preferred method for a gent to make that initial contact? Is there specific info you want him to include to get a response from you?

Obviously, only post info you are comfortable providing in an open forum.

[atxdream]

I'll start:

REFERENCES: I will absolutely be a reference for anyone I've seen within the past 6 months.
Best way to get a reference response from me is to PM me from a board I advertise on such as this one, p411, etc. For last minute refs, the gents who have seen me should have my unadvertised # and can try calling or texting me to look for a pm from the lady. However, my hobby phone is not usually on unless I'm avail for play or expecting a call.

1ST CONTACT: PM is preferred. Email is acceptable. Read the "perfect first contact" in my sig line to get a faster response for me. During the times when I'm not accepting new friends, I may take a day or so to respond to unfamiliar male handles.

[The White Queen]

Refs: Text me deadline for ref and the provider's name and preferred method of contact. I will initiate ref.

1st Contact: Email me at MSATX2012@gmail.com. I will reply with screening requirements.

If a p411/eccie member, msg/PM to confirm membership (in addition to not in lieu of, lol, the email).

Awesome.

Thanks! M.

[Pepper_Springfield]

Ladies: For a ref from me, it's best to send me a text message. I see that much faster than pm's. Also, please send the phone number, name, and handle.

Gents: If you have only seen me once, please also give the person that wants a ref a description and something I could remember you by. Maybe something we talked about during our appt, etc. This way, I can respond as quickly as possible. You can also send me a text with this info of that is easier. That way, both of you text and I know who it is.

Also, don't expect for refs to come through right away. For ex: Don't send a pm asking for an appt in an hr and expect the refs to come back that quickly. There are only a handful of girls I can count on for quick refs.

If you think you want to see me and you have refs and you want to use them (If not, I will consider the newbie route) send me a message to verify them well in advance, please. Then, I will send you a pm saying you are verified. If you decide to see me a few weeks later, then you can forward the message I sent you and I wont have to check all over again. I erase messages pretty often and I will forget that I ok'ed you, unless you send that message.

Hope that helps!

[sanan]

i'm sorry ladies but the idea that an established hobby member who has reviews needs to provide references sounds like paranoia to me.

Be realistic, off of BP where no references are required most of the time, ladies continue to do business. Some of them over several years in the same place here in SA.

And I have been turned down on this site by VIPs here who are dead set on the reference racket.

I say racket, because when you get a bunch of money grabbers in on the scene like 411, it gets a little silly.

Maybe their agencies are making the rules, or maybe a provider is over cautious, but refusing an established member who has loads of reviews?

Naw! In the past when turned down by an ECCIE VIP frustrated I go to BP and never fail to find what I need.

Otherwise off of this site I have a few favorites, they all know who they are. It is because they are still here that I continue to support the site, but I don't do reviews anymore.

I quit that when those newbie providers I found would jack up their rates after a review got published. And I am not the only one doing that.

So realistically ladies if you want the regulars off of this board you need to adjust the reference rules for them. And to be quite honest with you, some of yall's conditions for applying for a pre approval read like a college law book!

For new members here who have no reviews and so no background to check out, sure send them the legalese by the ton!


But it needs streamlining and standardization. For example we could have a thread/webforum for VIPs only where they list the ECCIE members they have seen/are in good standing.

[Pepper_Springfield]

I use refs if you have them because it makes me more comfortable, doesn't mean Im not newbie friendly, but it is not without caution that I see these folks who dont have refs or just reviews from people I have never personally met.

Also, for those who do require refs 100% of the time, anyone could say their handle is so and so. What if this person lent his handle and password to a friend? Then the reviews would not be legit. A description from a provider could help in determining if the guy is who he says he is. So, in this case, the ref is helpful.

[Laz]

There is a false assumption being made that a hobbyist with a lot of reviews should not need references. There are many issues that this ignores. Are the reviews legit? Is the person calling using the handle the same as the person who wrote the reviews? Are there personality quirks the provider should learn about? I am sure there are other things providers consider that I am not necessarily aware of.

[Pepper_Springfield]

Also, you have to remember, the review is from the guys point of view, what if the provider didn't like the guy. Like what if he was stinky, bad breath, rough? There could be all sorts of things a girl might want to warn someone about.

[Precious_b]

I don't think I have alot of reviews but mistakes do happen.
Even if you are well reviewed/do alot of reviews, people want to just make sure.
I was accused of being a cash-n-dash person.
Tore me up so much to have that accusation that I just about dropped out.
Fortunately the mistake was discovered.
I just wish there was a way could have browbeat the person that made that false call (little that would do.)

[sanan]

Originally Posted by Pepper_Springfield

I use refs if you have them because it makes me more comfortable, doesn't mean Im not newbie friendly, but it is not without caution that I see these folks who dont have refs or just reviews from people I have never personally met.

Also, for those who do require refs 100% of the time, anyone could say their handle is so and so. What if this person lent his handle and password to a friend? Then the reviews would not be legit. A description from a provider could help in determining if the guy is who he says he is. So, in this case, the ref is helpful.

This is NOT just about newbies, this is about the already vetted and proven membership here, like for example one review is well; silly. Ain't worth the cheap pack of lies it is to depend to. But somebody that has a dozen or more is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be any danger to a VIP.


So yeah if you have 4 reviews and you are new here you will be nutting on the provider side of this issue, i.e, everybody needs to provide refs.

Ok so guess what happens now?

I don't have the time, I am way toooo busy with other things, and besides the whole point of joining ECCIE is to AVOID this silly nonsense of refs. Note I do NOT support 411 nor recommend their cheap Canadian rip off verify for dollars scam.

Nuff on that one fer now.

But back to the verification for established hobbyists here on ECCIE, it is just silly! As I already noted one can get it off of BP for a lot less and no refs needed. I have done that several times. Others I just get and drive to see what is on the market around sundown ... many a nice score there, all the twenties every where you go in this town if you shop around...

Pepper thinks members share passwords to get a session. Tell me about it? Maybe your share your pass with others for some purpose but you can bet your bottom dollar the hobbyists don't, and it is easy to see why

[sanan]

Originally Posted by Laz

There is a false assumption being made that a hobbyist with a lot of reviews should not need references. There are many issues that this ignores. Are the reviews legit? Is the person calling using the handle the same as the person who wrote the reviews? Are there personality quirks the provider should learn about? I am sure there are other things providers consider that I am not necessarily aware of.

Ah you sound like an agent!

Get some real miles on yer rubber and tell me that in two years time!

[sanan]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

I don't think I have alot of reviews but mistakes do happen.
Even if you are well reviewed/do alot of reviews, people want to just make sure.
I was accused of being a cash-n-dash person.
Tore me up so much to have that accusation that I just about dropped out.
Fortunately the mistake was discovered.
I just wish there was a way could have browbeat the person that made that false call (little that would do.)

Ya know I get where you are at.

But when a hobbyist with a dozen reviews over like three or more years sends a pm about a session, you'd be nutz to ask for a reference.

My 2 cents..

[sanan]

Originally Posted by Pepper_Springfield

Also, you have to remember, the review is from the guys point of view, what if the provider didn't like the guy. Like what if he was stinky, bad breath, rough? There could be all sorts of things a girl might want to warn someone about.

What is the powder room for?

[sanantonioman37]

My 0.02 on this.
Whatever it takes to make the ladies feel safe and comfortable to see someone.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by sanan

Ah you sound like an agent!

I must be the worlds worst agent since I pay like everyone else and don't get any money from any ladies. Need to work on my agent skills.

As for the references. Use common sense and you will understand why the ladies want them. This is not rocket science. If you like BP stick with it.