Is there any truth to this? ( For the guys)

[Cheburashka]

Originally Posted by simpleton

I think my point went right by you. I was referring to the creepers being American men planning a vacation to Thailand or wherever and hopping on plane. I didn't mean the creepers lived there. Why would they hop on a plane if they lived there. I still think of creepers going to those places just to get some pussy. That's just me. My point of view is of the States because that's where I live. I wasn't saying anything about some Euro's.

No, your post didn't go "right by me". I completely understand what you are saying, and I personally believe you are mistaken. These "creepers" from America who fly to Thailand for sex are seldom "creepers". They are mostly NON-FAT professionals who have the means to party abroad, and choose Thailand. They are no different than the people on this board reading this post. Yes, there are some men here who are (as one provider described as Jabba the hut) overweight. Most Americans are. But yet they still continue to have sex with these "creepers" for money.

It's interesting that a doctor who pays for sex at the W is an esteemed hobbyist. But one who pays for sex in Thailand is a "creeper". A man who flys to LA to have sex with a porn star gets a high five. But one who flys to Thailand is a creeper. Flying to Tokyo on business and stopping by a massage parlor is OK. Flying to Phuket on business and stopping by a brothel makes one a creeper. Strange.

What about the affluent frat brats who go there to party for spring break. Or the cast of The Hangover 2: creepers? I completely "get" what you mean. I just think your perspective would change if you actually flew to Thailand, and sat at a restaurant with some of those men who flew there to have sex. Your opinion might change of those "creepers". And exactly how do you differ from these men? You are an America hobbyist after all. So the game is the same. You just object to where the field is located.

Just one creepers humble opinion.

[Milehigh65]

Originally Posted by alluringava

I've heard time and time again that 'American whores are bitches' and that's why some American ( and foreign, for that matter, from other countries like Europe) men go overseas to places like Cuba, Thailand, the Phillipines, Russia...to find 'more grateful' girls. I always wondered if there was some truth to that 'acting more grateful' or whatever that pertains to girls who work in Third World Countries where twenty or forty dollars is a month's wages. So what do you guys think? Anyone who can actually vouch for that stereotype of 'girls from Third World Countries' give better service, more bang for the buck, and are 'more grateful'?

That never made sense to me. The guys are paying for plane tickets and hotel and everything else. How much 'cheaper' can hobbying be in another country?


I for one am a very thankful and grateful American ho!!!

Traveling to a 3rd world country or in other country to retain a provider can in no way be more economical then benefiting from the very nice domestic fruit we have here in the U.S. However I travel ti latin America somewhat frequently and I can speak confidently with regards to the lavel of service you recive in the countries Mx. and Argentina the providers there in my exp are no hold bar I find the sessions to be much more fulfilling on a consistent basis, time never seems to be an issue does matter if you spending 50 or 300 I garantee the clock will not be a factor. I have not exp any 3rd world countries but my understanding is the same as yours 20 or a pack of cigs goes along way Lol.

[Old-T]

Interesting how the focus of this thread has changed from the ladies to the guys. And how many of the posts want to categorize the whole world in simple terms.

[alluringava]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Interesting how the focus of this thread has changed from the ladies to the guys. And how many of the posts want to categorize the whole world in simple terms.

Well I'm certainly intrigued by the responses LOL

[Old-T]

I would agree with that. I think it reinforces my belief that this corner of the world is made up of several very diverse subgroups who view things quite differently--in many cases almost opposite. Threads like this one remind me there are people on here I find fascinating and would like to invite to long talk over a cup of coffee--and some I am glad I will never meet in person.

[PODarkness]

Originally Posted by Katy Alexander

Thank you, some of the men here are trying to convince themselves that there is little dfference between a prostitute in a third world country, compared to an American, Canadian or European prostitute.Sadly It is situations like you describe that makes the difference between us, and their ability to chose a world apart.

I find it interesting that you believe we are trying to convince ourselves. We have been there, and experienced providers in other cultures first hand. Have you?

I have worked in 38 countries. I'd say off the top of my head that 11 of them could be considered "3rd world". How many have you ladies with the opinions about exploitation, Jabba the Hut, and a burger been to?

Without first hand knowledge and experience, I'll assume your opinions come from what you have read and seen on TV. Let me ask how you think TV and mainstream print have portrayed providers in the states. Accurately?

There are differences. Stop trying to convince yourselves that it's due to providers being sold like goats, or because the guys who see a difference must be "creepers".

Do you find differences in how men from other parts of the world treat women? Mid-Eastern, or Asian, Italian, English, African? My guess is yes.
Same thing.

The question was asked.
Don't like the answers?
Then put down the providers in question, blame their situation, and jump on the guys who like them, all based on little or no first hand knowledge. It's a very American thing to do.

You've proved the point.

[simpleton]

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

No, your post didn't go "right by me". I completely understand what you are saying, and I personally believe you are mistaken. These "creepers" from America who fly to Thailand for sex are seldom "creepers". They are mostly NON-FAT professionals who have the means to party abroad, and choose Thailand. They are no different than the people on this board reading this post. Yes, there are some men here who are (as one provider described as Jabba the hut) overweight. Most Americans are. But yet they still continue to have sex with these "creepers" for money.

It's interesting that a doctor who pays for sex at the W is an esteemed hobbyist. But one who pays for sex in Thailand is a "creeper". A man who flys to LA to have sex with a porn star gets a high five. But one who flys to Thailand is a creeper. Flying to Tokyo on business and stopping by a massage parlor is OK. Flying to Phuket on business and stopping by a brothel makes one a creeper. Strange.

What about the affluent frat brats who go there to party for spring break. Or the cast of The Hangover 2: creepers? I completely "get" what you mean. I just think your perspective would change if you actually flew to Thailand, and sat at a restaurant with some of those men who flew there to have sex. Your opinion might change of those "creepers". And exactly how do you differ from these men? You are an America hobbyist after all. So the game is the same. You just object to where the field is located.

Just one creepers humble opinion.

I think you make a ton of assumptions in your post.
1. You asume I have never been there. You have no idea where I've been or what I do. You look like a jackass when you make statements that you have no idea about.
2. Please go back and reread my post. I didn't say a fucking thing about fat or skinny. Creepers can be fat or skinny but in my own head I think of them as skinny to slightly fat just creepy looking and they make my skin crawl. Creepers can be goodlooking dudes. There just creepers.
3. I didn't mention anything about dudes working there and getting some pussy.

Lastly, your post makes me think you felt I was insulting you. I wasn't. I was making a joke. Although I think creepers go there to bang chicks I don't think everyone there is a creeper. Of course people go there for business and bang a lady ot two. That wasn't who I was referring to.

[simpleton]

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

And exactly how do you differ from these men? You are an America hobbyist after all. So the game is the same. You just object to where the field is located.
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I'm not a creeper. That's how I'm different. I don't look or act like I have buried bodies in my backyard or heads in my freezer. That and I'm all eye candy and charming too.

[alluringava]

Originally Posted by simpleton

I'm not a creeper. That's how I'm different. I don't look or act like I have buried bodies in my backyard or heads in my freezer. That and I'm all eye candy and charming too.

I've never heard that term creeper but it applies certainly to some of the men that were described by these working girls in other countries in a book I read about them. One interesting book that I read involved series of letters exchanged between the prostitutes and clients ( the clients went back home to their respective countries but continued interacting with the girls, some of whom expressed interested in marriage) called Hello My Big Big Honey. It was an interesting read, and no, we can't stereotype all the men who go to foreign countries to find sex or find brides, but there did seem to be a specific type of personality rather than 'looks' that was attracted to these foreign women to begin with.

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by mijo(BFE)

Tiffani, for once (a true rarity IMHO) you might be wrong:

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=418837

Yeah, I thought that was sad.

But he wasn't paying for the Geisha/Courtesan/lolita/Sheikh of Dubai treatment. More like the 'I'll do whatever you say buddy, as long as I can eat them burgers' treatment.

[alluringava]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Yeah, I thought that was sad.

But he wasn't paying for the Geisha/Courtesan/lolita/Sheikh of Dubai treatment. More like the 'I'll do whatever you say buddy, as long as I can eat them burgers' treatment.

In Bangladesh or some other really impoverished Third World County I bet the price of two burgers here is the going rate there LOL.Like I said I'm NOT that cheap, I want the full McDonald's meal special, drink and fries too!

[Katy Alexander]

Originally Posted by PODarkness

I find it interesting that you believe we are trying to convince ourselves. We have been there, and experienced providers in other cultures first hand. Have you?

I have worked in 38 countries. I'd say off the top of my head that 11 of them could be considered "3rd world". How many have you ladies with the opinions about exploitation, Jabba the Hut, and a burger been to?

Without first hand knowledge and experience, I'll assume your opinions come from what you have read and seen on TV. Let me ask how you think TV and mainstream print have portrayed providers in the states. Accurately?

There are differences. Stop trying to convince yourselves that it's due to providers being sold like goats, or because the guys who see a difference must be "creepers".

Do you find differences in how men from other parts of the world treat women? Mid-Eastern, or Asian, Italian, English, African? My guess is yes.
Same thing.

The question was asked.
Don't like the answers?
Then put down the providers in question, blame their situation, and jump on the guys who like them, all based on little or no first hand knowledge. It's a very American thing to do.

You've proved the point.

I hate to break this to you, but I am not American .I have lived here for many years, but was born in Northern Europe.As a young woman I came in contact with many women from other country's who came to Northern Europe to work as prostitutes because the money was better. Most started at an extremely young age in their own country, and many continued to send money home to their family's who were relying on their income for support.I have heard some pretty painful stories from some of these women, so while I have never lived in a third world country I do believe the things I heard from the women I had the chance to get to know, and feel they were being honest about what their lives were like at that time.

[anon42]

A bit late to the party, but here goes. This is from the perspective of a Navy man back in the long long ago.

When I was active duty, belowdecks shipboard culture enshrined time spent in foreign liberty ports as almost the high holy days of the religion of "OrthoxReformGETYOURFREAKONOli cOpalianTerianism". The guys just hitting the boats are "young, dumb, and full of cum". My experience of sea duty consists of weeks or months at sea with no sign of land or chicks living in a compartment the size of a couple of SUVs end-to-end with 23 other guys in bunks stacked 3 high along the walls. You only get a full nights sleep one night out of 4 and NEVER sleep the same hours 2 nights in a row due to the way shipboard watch rotations work. Depending on your deployment the awake time can be extremely stressful or boring as hell. Either way, when this pile of 18-25 year old completely inexperienced guys hit a liberty port and the "old salts" on the boat are telling them "Anything goes guys! Nothing on liberty ever gets back to 'The World'" then you see what Hog Wild really means. It shapes people.

I think guys shaped by liberty port culture are more likely to be hobbyists later in life. As Kipling said, "Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints." It is oft the case that people want to relive the "good old days" whether those days were going wild on spring break or going wild on deployment. A former college jock may keep going to Spring Break events and hit on college girls while a former soldier/sailor may go to the party spots he fondly remembers. Which is why I don't necessarily see guys going to Phuket or the PI as "creepers". (Caveat, anyone pulling a Gary Glitter and going over to look for underage girls is a CREEPER and deserves to be hung by their scrotal sack on a rusty hook and beaten .... a lot ... forever ... kind of like the Devil's Pinyata)

That is one explanation for foreign "adventurism" among hobbyists. But not all who journey to foreign climes looking for "earthly delights" are former military. Some are your everyday "dogs" who want to go so far away that whatever they do won't get back to their hometowns or just want to go where hobbying is legal or at least accepted/winked at.

In my experience, although my last foreign experience was in service about 2 decades ago, there really was a difference in attitude.

[Guest041413-2]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Yeah, I thought that was sad.

But he wasn't paying for the Geisha/Courtesan/lolita/Sheikh of Dubai treatment. More like the 'I'll do whatever you say buddy, as long as I can eat them burgers' treatment.

ijs

[Cheburashka]

Originally Posted by simpleton

I'm not a creeper. That's how I'm different. I don't look or act like I have buried bodies in my backyard or heads in my freezer. That and I'm all eye candy and charming too.

I get the joke. That's funny. No creeper ever thinks he looks like a creeper. Ask any of the ladies here if any of the "Jabba the Huts" ever think they looked like one. Maybe I am lucky because I have missed all the creeper bars when I travel.

I love the perspectives mentioned here. One can sure tell who is well traveled. “To travel is to discover that everyone is wrong about other countries.” – Aldous Huxley