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Old 03-23-2012, 07:19 PM   #46
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I did refute his "facts," I said

HORSE SHIT!
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You're the same irrelevant poster you've always been. Document your assertion, Moron.
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:28 PM   #48
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What part of

HORSE SHIT!

don't you understand?
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Then I'll just reassert the facts by quoting the original post. These are the same facts you've tried to dispute with an undocumented reply, Moron.

Now what sources can you cite that specifically refute the instances of Fox "News" caught lying in Big Louie's post?.




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You’d think a thing like FOX couldn’t happen in the United States. Although they’re free to be crazy and free to support the Republican Party, you’d think Americans would be too smart to fall for the made-up outrages, dishonest reporting and relentless appeal to our meaner nature. Unfortunately, many Americans are not as smart as we used to assume: a huge swath of Americans (especially elderly white Southerners) believe FOX is just another news media outlet. They aren’t.

What is FOX? Pensitore Review (8-18-09) pulled no punches in answering that question: “ FOX News is indisputably the most popular cable news channel. And yet in 13 years, Fox has never broken a story. That’s okay, because it is not in the news business. It is in the news-shaping business. Its programming is an admixture of right-wing propaganda and fear-porn for feeble-minded paranoiacs, served up by spokesmodels who have no clue what they are reading.”

Whew! Could that be true? I report/You decide:

Nixon White House aide Roger Ailes in the 1970′s created fake news stories that favored President Nixon. He shipped these pre-mixed video packages to TV stations around the country at the expense of rightwing extremist Joseph Coors. It was all b.s. all the time, but the TV stations, pretending they had a correspondent in Washington, ran this propaganda as straight news. Now that Ailes runs FOX News, his goals are the same: to spread republicanism by altering the news.

FOX is a “relentless agenda-driven 24 hour news opinion propaganda delivery system” ~Jon Stewart

“They’re a Republican brand. They’re an extension of the Republican Party with some exceptions” ~Larry King

‎”[Fox is] widely viewed as a part of the Republican Party: take their talking points and put them on the air, take their opposition research and put it on the air. And that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re a news organization like CNN is.” ~Anita Dunn

There are thousands of examples of FOX not just “leaning” in a particular direction on an issue… but actively changing around the words and meanings of interviews to make them seem to say the opposite of what the person interviewed actually said; of lies about what happened; of incorrect graphics…for example, calling Congressman Mark Foley a Democrat when he got caught in gay chatter with pages and calling Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords a Republican when there was an outpouring of sympathy for her after she got shot.

FOX took a sparsely-attended tea-party rally in Washington and spliced in video of a heavily-attended event of an entirely different nature from months earlier.

FOX has gotten caught using image manipulation software to edit the appearance of people they don’t like to make them appear more sinister.

FOX alters poll results to mislead its viewers; in one case, their massacre of a Rasmussen poll on climate change ended up with a poll number of 120%–mathematically impossible, of course, except in FOX world.

On 4-24-09… White House correspondent Wendell Goler cropped a comment by Obama and took it out of context — effectively reversing the statement’s meaning — to falsely suggest that Obama supports creating a health care system “like the European countries.”

A 2010 Ohio State University study of public misperceptions about the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” found that viewers who relied on Fox News were 66% more likely to believe incorrect rumors than those with “low reliance” on Fox News ~Wikipedia

A study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes showed 67% of Fox viewers believed that the “U.S. has found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the al Qaeda terrorist organization” (He wasn’t. He hated, feared and banned them, but you’d never know that by watching FOX).

Wait, it gets worse: For all other networks and news sources, the MORE you watch them, the MORE you know about the actual facts. Those who view CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, & NPR the MOST, have the BEST grasp of the FACTS. With FOX it – is- the – opposite!! Which is what gave birth to the mocking slogan: THE MORE YOU WATCH FOX, THE LESS YOU KNOW.

In the summer of 2003, 34% of Americans who did not follow the news very closely believed evidence had been found that linked Iraq with al Qaeda before the U.S. invasion. 42% of people who were moderate consumers of FOX news had that opinion. Among those who “watched FOX News very closely” … that number was 80% !! ~Political Science Quarterly, Vol. 118, #4 THE MORE YOU WATCH FOX, THE LESS YOU KNOW!

FOX News’ Happening Now cropped clips of Obama from an April 3 speech in France to falsely suggest that Obama only criticized the United States. In doing so, Happening Now joined conservative commentators and Fox News hosts who have cropped or misrepresented Obama’s overseas remarks to falsely suggest, in the words of host Sean Hannity, that Obama was “blam[ing] America first” and, more broadly, that Obama’s earlier overseas trip constituted an “apology tour.”

Fox News presented a clip of Joe Biden criticizing John McCain’s “the fundamentals of the economy are strong” statement…. Problem is, this was something Biden was QUOTING…from SIX MONTHS EARLIER… but it was edited by FOX to make it seem that Biden was stating it as his own opinion. The bogus clip was introduced by Live Desk co-host Martha MacCallum as comments Biden had made in interviews THIS WEEKEND.

FOX pushed the bogus stat that cap-and-trade would cost “every American family $1,761 annually.” PolitiFact.com has labeled the statistic false and noted that the talking point has been pushed by Republicans.

On 9/30/09 FOX Gregg Jarrett said on the air that the Obama Department of Justice “thinks it’s OK to intimidate white people, not OK to intimidate black people at the polls.”

‎”If we went back … to the fall of 2008, to the campaign, that was a time this country was in two wars that we had a financial collapse probably more significant than any financial collapse since the Great Depression. If you were a Fox News viewer in the fall election what you would have seen were that the biggest stories and the biggest threats facing America were a guy named Bill Ayers and a something called ACORN.” ~Anita Dunn

A 2011 Kaiser Family Foundation survey on U.S. misperceptions about health care reform found that Fox News viewers scored lower for factual knowledge than other news viewers – Wikipedia

It’s against the law to lie on television in Canada. Canadian conservatives tried to change that law so FOX could broadcast in Canada. They were unable to get the law changed, so FOX does not operate in Canada!
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Ok, here goes. Documentation.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horseshit

And I apologize for calling your posts "HORSESHIT". It was unfair. Horseshit can be useful in certain situations, unlike your posts. So I do apologize.

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STEVEN
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WOW!! CHECK OUT ALL THIS BIG HORSESHIT FROM THE RIGHT WINGERS!! WOOHOO!
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WOW!! CHECK OUT ALL THIS BIG HORSESHIT FROM THE RIGHT WINGERS!! WOOHOO!
Just wanted to see how big I could actually make my letters...lol
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I'm not a right winger. I still call Horseshit.
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Fox doesn't lie any more than CNN, MSNBC or the rest. I don't watch any of them, because none of them can be trusted. Fox has simply become the George W Bush of journalism. When your networks get caught in a lie, they simply say "Well look at what FOX does!" They are all ridiculous.
Right wings are out for themselves...period...they do not care about the working class. The "working class" made this country. Sometimes, greed gets in the way of good government.
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It's only a small percentage of America that has that much money and power...we are the people...forever!!!
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Debbie, you are stunning! I would love to discuss this with you over a martini, and finish the discussion at a mutually convenient location. That being said, I agree with you about the right wing, but it also applies to the left wing. A careful look at their policies will reveal they are primarily about control, and not assistance.

God, you're gorgeous!
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Unlike Louis Horseshit serves a purpose. It is wonderful fertilizer, smelly, but still a great fertilizer for your rose garden. Louis on the other hand...

It is getting disjointed here now. People confusing politics and incomes. Just because someone is right wing doesn't make them rich automatically. Look at the communist Micheal Moore. He hates this country but he won't live anywhere else. He sues the state of Michigan to get more money and he sues his producers to keep more money. He still considers himself a communist. Hollywood is overrun with rich socialists. They think that sharing their time with the poor is sacrifice enough even though they get about $15,000 for every minute they appear on screen. There are a lot of poor right wingers. The disabled veteran who lives hand to mouth on his disability but still loves his country. The hard working famer who believes what he earns should be his and not the governments (or Micheal Moore's). My class is surprisingly conservative for people who only two decades old though we do have a socialist or two. Funny thing is that the worst socialist (Marxist actually) is financially better off than most of the other students. How do I know? All the equipment he carries about and the way he dresses. I would bet that he has a nicer car than I do as well but he can't let an opportunity pass to bad mouth the US.
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It is getting disjointed here now. People confusing politics and incomes. Just because someone is right wing doesn't make them rich automatically. .
the 5 richest people in the u.s. senate are democrats

the most miserly people are liberals

greed and covetousness drives more democrat votes than anything else


self sufficiency and hard work aren't high virtues for democrats
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Default Examples of Liberal Media Lies and Distortions.

@ Sexyeccentric1: FYI, Retching Madcow in addition to being a liar, the shrew-bitch is still a screeching-banshee.

MSNBC: Gun-Toting Protesters are 'White' Racists... Black Guy with AR-15 Edited to Conceal his Race. (False) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ...ature=youtu.be
This is reality:
Greg Gutfeld of Fox News Calls Out MSNBC on Their 'Strategic Editing'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwg-...layer_embedded

MSNBC’s Retching Madcow says Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year (False)
http://youtube.com/embed/27EN1k4TSao
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...ve-budget-sur/

MSNBC’s Madcow Accuses Fox News of Claiming New Black Panther Party Stole the 2008 Election (False) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...panther-party/

MSNBC’s Madcow says Wall Street fees claim a third of 401(k) values (Mostly False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...laim-third-40/

The Washington Post points out the hypocrisy of MSNBC’s Madcow’s crusade against Politifact.com.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...OlVR_blog.html

MSNBC’s Madcow claims Palin got zero support for her idea, only it wasn't hers, and others supported it. (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...her-idea-only/

MSNBC’s Madcow claimed that the unions play less of a role in election outcomes than conservative PACs and big business. (False)
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-...ibutions-video

MSNBC’s Madcow says Rick Perry's tax plan promises the rich huge tax cuts while everyone else would get big tax hikes (Mostly False)
http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...erry-tax-plan/

MSNBC’s Madcow says "President Bush never did one interview with the New York Times during his entire presidency." (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...es-interviews/

MSNBC’s Ed Schultz says Wisconsin state employees might lose 20 percent of their income under Gov. Scott Walker’s budget repair plan (False)
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...sin-state-emp/

MSNBC’s Schultz claims that Landrieu got $1.8 million in BP PAC and employee contributions (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...n-bp-pac-and-/

MSNBC’s Schultz says health care bill will only tax top 2 percent (Mostly False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ly-tax-top-2-/

MSNBC’s Ed Schultz says McChrystal was Obama "problem" inherited from Bush (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...problem-inher/

MSNBC’s Olbermann says Rep. Hoekstra Tweeted whereabouts of top secret mission to Iraq (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...hereabouts-to/

MSNBC's Ed Schultz purposefully edits and airs a Rick Perry remark, and then Schultz falsely claims Perry is a racist. (False – manufacture lie)
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...acist-remark-a
On August 15, 2011, Schultz used an edited video clip of Texas Governor Rick Perry at a rally talking about the national debt crisis. Governor Perry said this “Getting America back to work is the most important issue that faces this country, being able to pay off $14.5 trillion or $16 trillion worth of debt. That big black cloud that hangs over America, that debt that is so monstrous.” The audio of the clip was cut off after “America”, so Schultz’s audience did not hear “that debt that is so monstrous.” Governor Perry refers to the debt before and after the “big black cloud” statement. Ed said, “That black cloud Perry is talking about is President Barack Obama.” The following day on his TV show Schultz apologized for taking Governor Perry out of context. “We did not present the full context of those statements and we should have,” Schultz said “No doubt about it, it was a mistake and we regret the error … we should not have included it in our coverage.”[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schultz


MSNBC’s Olbermann says oil and gas subsidies account for 88 percent of all federal subsidies (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...account-88-pe/

Keith Olbermann's Top Ten Lies of 2007
It's time for our annual list of the worst, most egregious, most outrageous lies from the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann. It's the toughest job of the year: narrowing the list down to just ten. There is so much to choose from! Be that as it may, the staff of Olbermann Watch has caucused and the votes have been cast. Here are Keith Olbermann's Top Ten Lies of 2007:
#10 - Keith Olbermann just can't help itself when it comes to Fox News. It's Extreme Olby: Envy Edition as hardly a day goes by without some attack on a news channel that is actually successful. The usual tactic is to claim something on Fox was untrue or a lie, when it wasn't. Or another favorite: make a sweeping claim that you know is untrue, because it appeals to your blue blog base. But the #10 winner uses a more blatant technique: just make up something about Fox, broadcast it as if it were the truth, and never correct the record.
#9 - Olbermahn's diseased loathing for anyone to the right of Fidel Castro--like his hatred of Fox--regularly sends KO into fits of fantasy, where facts and truth are dispensible annoyances. So he'll, say, invent totally fictitious statistics to slander the American Enterprise Institute. Just as he will misstate a whole fistful of facts when it suits his purposes. This syndrome also explains the lunatic statement that comes in at #9 in the countdown: "Mister" Bush is the first President ever to fire US attorneys.
#8 - When Monkeymann gets worked up about something, the truth just isn't good enough. It's much more effective when Olby himself can create a phony quote and use that to make his dishonest points. You know, like when he spent an entire segment berating Rudy for something he never said? In our #8 entry, note how Herr Olbermann pulls that same trick: to "prove" a point he cites a Patrick Fitzgerald statement that turns out to be, well, imaginary.
#7 - You know that since we are on the threshhold of O'Reilly attack #400, there had to be some doozies in 2007. There are too many Olbermann Lies about Bill O'Reilly to detail without running out of space. We've selected this and this as our representative examples for #7.
#6 - Republicans beware. Edward R Olbermann will cover up for Hillary and spike stories that paint her in a bad light. But if you have an (R) after your name the Hsu is on the other foot. Bathtub Boy will run endless scandal stories, and if the blue blogs don't give him enough ammunition, then he can cook up Another Olbermann Lie or two. Governor Gibbons (R) learned how truthful Olby's reports are: not very. So it is that lie #6 in our countdown finds Mr Merkle berating Mitt Romney for something that--all together now--Romney never said! Yes, another phony, doctored quote from Olbermoronn.
#5 - As quickly as Herr Olbermann will rush to attack other broadcasters, he is oh-so-careful not to upset his corporate masters at A-Mess-NBC. He'll broadcast flat-out fabrications, like claiming Rudy Giuliani's Presidential campaign is being run by--get ready for this--Fox's Roger Ailes. He'll even lie about the contents of a competitor's blog. But our #5 entry shows Keith "Man on Fan" Olbermann at his most desperate. So eager was he to protect a possible NBC hire (Rosie O'Donnell) he doctored her words (sound familiar?) to claim she never compared US troops to terrorists. Then he blamed "Fox Noise"--another lie to protect his own sorry butt, since the people who accused Rosie of the troops/terrorism comparison were Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews, and Howard Fineman--not on Fox, but on MSNBC!
#4 - More lies about Fox News. We could do a top ten list every month the way Oralmann spews them. Whether it's a smear of Chris Wallace, or a slander of Brit Hume, the one thing you can trust about Monkeymann's attacks is that you cannot trust Monkeymann's attacks. That's what made this #4: Keith Olbermann contructs an ostentatious salvo at Fox over a leak. And guess what? Every single statement he made about Fox News was false. Untrue. An elaborate edifice of lies.
#3 - When Oralmann gets a bee in his bonnet, there is nothing that will stand in the way of OlbySpin. So he will pretend Richard Armitage never existed and assert that Karl Rove was an "original leaker" of Valerie Plame. To attack GWB, he'll invent a nonexistent checklist of rules for Presidential pardons. But his blatant dishonesty about waterboarding is our #3 lie. Olby's duplicity about Daniel Levin was so shamelessly barefaced that even the fawning mainstream media called him on it, something that gave John Gibson no end of pleasure.
#2 - Did you know that Keith Olbermann doesn't indulge in personal attacks? Why no, he's above all that. Sure, tell that to Liz Claman. In #2 of our countdown, observe how Fat Ass, to fuel yet another error-ridden critique of GWB, is willing to smear two writers: ridicule their professions, lie about their success... There can be no doubt that Keith Olbermann is The Model of a Liar.
And finally, here it is, the #1 Keith Olbermann lie of 2007. In fact it bids fair to be the greatest lie of his sorry career: "I'm not politically biased."
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archiv...bermann_71.php

MSNBC’s Lawrence O'Donnell says critics called the original GI Bill welfare (Mostly False)
http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...-original-gi-/

MSNBC’s O'Donnell alleges Gingrich laid off Bush, record indicates otherwise (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ecord-indicat/

MSNBC’s David Shuster fabricated racially charged quotes aimed at blocking Limbaugh’s NFL bid.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...#ixzz1q4vv30sm

Paul Krugman claims protests in 2005 weren't as raucous as health care protests. (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ent-raucous-h/

Karen Finney Claims Mitt Romney’s Silence Caused Trayvon Martin’s Death
So, when Newt Gingrich, presidential candidate Newt Gingrich says that, quote, "really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works. They have no habit of I do this and you give me cash, unless it's illegal," or Rick Santorum says, "I don't want to make black people's lives easier," or Rush Limbaugh calls a presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama a magic negro, or Mitt Romney says nothing at all, the effect is dangerous.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-w...consequences-k

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id={EA0E2B36-391C-47D3-A57F-2D6790DDFA35}&title=MSNBC%20Ho st%20Blames%20Limbaugh%20Gingr ich%20Santorum%20Rhetoric%20Fo r%20Trevon%20Martin%20Death

This what NBC’s "Meet the Press" David Gregory reported: “The financial sector equals 25 percent of U.S. economy.” (Mostly False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...al-sector-equ/

CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin "A filibuster has never really been successfully used against a Supreme Court justice." (False)
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/jeffrey-toobin/

CNN's Peter Arnett's "Operation Tailwind". (False)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tailwind

CNN's Ali Velshi takes a look at the history of Iraq as he 'tries' to explain some little known facts about the country. (Factually Wrong) This show aired on August 31, 2010. Did you know the Ottoman Empire was ally to the Axis Powers during WWII? Notice where Velshi places Iraq when he says “Illinois”.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...istory.cnn?ire f=videosearch


And for those who depend on comedians for your news:



Comic Jon Stewart says Congress met most Christmas Days in its early years (Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire)
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-isla...-met-most-chr/

Jon Stewart says those who watch Fox News are the "most consistently misinformed media viewers" (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...news-are-most/

Bill Maher says that some natural gas pipes are made of wood (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...s-are-made-wo/

"Brazil got off oil in the last 30 years." (False)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...oil-and-brazi/

Fox has its distortions and liars as well. But you Libs pretentiously pretend your shit doesn't stink.
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