What is a Terrorist, and Are You One?

[CJ7]

NDAA is a defense spending bill as a whole. The article concerning citizen detainment was in the bill. In 2005 the president and his majority congress introduced Detainee treatment, you know that story. Had the president not signed NDAA 2012 the counrty could have been at a greater risk of terrorism, because he did sign the bill he stepped on some toes by introducing the word citizen in the bill. The bill is a blanket coverage bill no longer intended for aliens only as it was in 2005. When and IF this president or any other president puts this legislation into action remains to be seen. Citizens that plan a terrorist attack are no longer citizens, fuck them. Ligit citizens, natural or legal have nothing to worry about.

[CuteOldGuy]

There were several attempts in Congress to remove the detention language from the bill. They were soundly defeated by both Democrats and Republicans. Sen. Schumer told the Senate that President Obama wanted the detention language in the bill.

And who determines who the "ligit" [sic] citizens are? So you have to conform to an approved standard of behavior to be considered a "citizen". Yeah, the Founders meant that.

You have no grasp of how dangerous this bill is. You've been blinded by jingoistic patriotism so you can't even see when liberty is being destroyed. You will do quite nicely in the police state.

[CJ7]

so Akbar passes his citizenship test and gets his papers ... next month he begins communicating with AL Q planning an attack on 5 schools ... he gets noticed by our intel and is picked up and held until we can determine who/when/where/what else are involved.

Maybe I would do well in a police state if it means saving children in schools

[CuteOldGuy]

Sure. Give up all your liberty and be perfectly safe. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

The majority of Americans are content to live with the illusion of freedom. They can watch their sports and American Idol. They can eat at McDonalds or Taco Bell. Then, when a neighbor is detained as a "suspected terrorist supporter" they say, "I'll be damned. I never knew that," and move on to whatever is on TV tonight. Never stopping to think that someone may report something they did as "suspicious" and then having to endure a late night interrogation by a government agent determined to root out all anti-Americanism. Then, they disappear. And life goes on.

Sure, the authority will only be used on "bad guys." Terrific. One of the reasons we fought the Revolution was because the British were imprisoning people on the basis of suspicion only. Our Founders were the "bad guys" because they believed in Liberty and Independence.

It used to be, in America, that a person could not be imprisoned unless there was probable cause that s/he committed a crime, and then confirmed by a jury of his/her peers. That was to safeguard the people against unreasonable action by government. We don't have that anymore. We can now be imprisoned if someone "suspects" we may be aiding a terrorist. And we will have NO OPPORTUNITY to refute the charges.

This is not America. What are we defending, if not freedom? The terrorists have already won. It doesn't matter how large a flag you wave, or how loud you sing "God Bless the USA," actions like this against citizens is not American. Wrap it in as many flags as you want, but it will never be American.

[Sa_artman]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Sure. Give up all your liberty and be perfectly safe. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

The majority of Americans are content to live with the illusion of freedom. They can watch their sports and American Idol. They can eat at McDonalds or Taco Bell. Then, when a neighbor is detained as a "suspected terrorist supporter" they say, "I'll be damned. I never knew that," and move on to whatever is on TV tonight. Never stopping to think that someone may report something they did as "suspicious" and then having to endure a late night interrogation by a government agent determined to root out all anti-Americanism. Then, they disappear. And life goes on.

Sure, the authority will only be used on "bad guys." Terrific. One of the reasons we fought the Revolution was because the British were imprisoning people on the basis of suspicion only. Our Founders were the "bad guys" because they believed in Liberty and Independence.

It used to be, in America, that a person could not be imprisoned unless there was probable cause that s/he committed a crime, and then confirmed by a jury of his/her peers. That was to safeguard the people against unreasonable action by government. We don't have that anymore. We can now be imprisoned if someone "suspects" we may be aiding a terrorist. And we will have NO OPPORTUNITY to refute the charges.

This is not America. What are we defending, if not freedom? The terrorists have already won. It doesn't matter how large a flag you wave, or how loud you sing "God Bless the USA," actions like this against citizens is not American. Wrap it in as many flags as you want, but it will never be American.

On contrary it's you who likes to run at the mouth and try and act smart but in the end you just end up looking like a fool. Please do continue with the end of the world and freedom speeches.
After the above paranoid rant I just came to the conclusion you're clinical. You really need some anti schizo drugs before this persecution complex gets out of hand. That rant doesn't sound like someone who smiles and moves on but rather someone who has some serious issues. I know some psychs if you need one.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CJ7

well hell, no wonder the prez is having a hard time dealing with the issuse at hand. Being a covert spy, running undercover ops, doing the CIA and FBI's jobs, listening to wiretaps and watching the WWWeb 24/7 365 must keep him pretty busy

Don't forget all the time it takes him to kill all those babies.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ah, Sa_fartman and Doofe. Models of rationality. Like I said, you will be good workers in the police state.

[CuteOldGuy]

More about the NDAA. This is for your distorting and insulting pleasure. The truth is the truth, no matter how many colors you post in, or how big your font is. The truth remains.

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012...s-party-lines/

[Sa_artman]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

More about the NDAA. This is for your distorting and insulting pleasure. The truth is the truth, no matter how many colors you post in, or how big your font is. The truth remains.

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012...s-party-lines/

Yeah, read the guys blog. Funny how all his blog posting ideas sound like yours. Can't get an original idea eh?

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com...hael-maharrey/

[CuteOldGuy]

I already know you support the elimination of the Bill of Rights, Sa_fartman. So why do you bother? Just report me to AttackWatch, and STFU.

[CJ7]

help me out here COG

a witness gets a subpoena, appears, gets called to the stand ... the Da asks a question, the witness refuses to answer, the DA asks again, the witness refuses to answer, the Judge chimes in and tells the wintess to answer, the witness refuses again, the Judge tells the bailiff to remove the wintess, and tells the witness he/she is in contempt when he/she decides to answer the question he/she will be released from jail ....

Q;

is there a time limit the wintess has to remain locked up ... the witness is a citizen.

[i'va biggen]

[quote=CJ7;2221584]help me out here COG

a witness gets a subpoena, appears, gets called to the stand ... the Da asks a question, the witness refuses to answer, the DA asks again, the witness refuses to answer, the Judge chimes in and tells the wintess to answer, the witness refuses again, the Judge tells the bailiff to remove the wintess, and tells the witness he/she is in contempt when he/she decides to answer the question he/she will be released from jail ....

Q;

is there a time limit the wintess has to remain locked up ... the witness is a citizen.[/quote

Weren't there some reporters held for some time,because they wouldn't disclose their source .

[CuteOldGuy]

That is irrelevant to the discussion. Nice try.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

That is irrelevant to the discussion. Nice try.

allllllllllll righteeeeeeee then

[CuteOldGuy]

You don't know why it is irrelevant, do you? A person who has disobeyed a direct order from a judge has committed contempt of court. He is allowed to appeal that decision. But he has done something in front of a law enforcement officer (a judge) for which the law prescribes a remedy.

That is different from minding your own business, having the military arrest you on simple suspicion (not even probably cause) of having something to do with "terrorism" however that is defined by the leaders in power at the time, taken away to a prison like Gitmo, never getting to see a lawyer, and never even being able to tell your family what happened.

If you can't see the difference, the problem is with you. Not me.