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[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Another dodge. Avoid the question. Different issue entirely. Wouldn't expect any less from you.

It's nice to know the Pope has you to turn to in matters of faith and responsibility.

You realize you truly are an idiot, don't you? Otherwise you'd quit evading the question. It's not that hard, really. Independent thought, you ought to try sometime. You might find it refreshing.

Ive answered the question so many times on this thread I cant count them all, and you call me an idiot?

ever hear of The Parish Nurse?

Catholic health care funded by taxpayers refers people to abortion clinics and gives them a ride in a taxpayer funded vehicle ... or so the lady working for The Parish Nurse in Cali told a reporter ...

ponder that

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

If religious groups take taxpayer money to provide secular services, then they need to obey all secular laws.

Not when the laws violate rights guaranteed under the First Amendment.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Not when the laws violate rights guaranteed under the First Amendment.

or when catholics violate their own convictions and drive women to abortion clinics on the taxpayers dime

[CJ7]

To the extent that the church functions as a lobbyist, rather than itself clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and performing the other traditional acts of charity, the church loses a rich source of its own spiritual nourishment. This has, in turn, led to a secularizing of the social assistance systems (schools, hospitals, orphanages, health clinics). This development minimizes the moral influence of religious mediating institutions which are so critical in helping to stabilize troubled families.”
I recently interviewed a parish nurse who had been featured in the Oakland Diocese Newspaper. She had attended a parish nurse training program in her former state of Wisconsin but could not find a position there. She later moved to her current location and recently found acceptance as a Parish Nurse in her own parish in Antioch, California.
She shared her enthusiasm for her work in a community consisting in large part of recent immigrant parishioners of low income and somewhat poor health and nutrition. Her parish and Pastor are well recognized for partnership activities with a community organizing group entitled Contra Costa Interfaith supporting Community Organization - CCISCO which is itself a partner with a statewide community organizing lobby group called PICO - Pacific Institute for Community Organizing. These groups along with SEIU and the California Nurses as well as Planned Parenthood, have spearheaded lobby days in Sacramento to advance the cause of universal health care.
I asked this Parish Nurse if she refers parishioners to the Healthy Families program? She said yes. She, further, affirmed that referrals to Planned Parenthood were also included in those references. I then asked her why a Catholic Church would be referring its parishioners to an organization that promoted abortion and family planning which are in opposition to the Catholic Faith teaching? At that point her whole demeanor changed. She stated that she merely made referrals to those agencies most appropriate for type of service needed by the parishioner. It was not her responsibility as to what services the parishioner actually accepted.
Several years ago a parish in Concord, California, also within the Oakland Diocese provided assistance to the county health department in the refurbishing of an old van to be used as a mobile medical services van for residents of the Monument Corridor. This area is heavily populated with legal and illegal residents. Members of the Concord Parish saw this van as a way to obtain needed health services unobtainable any other way. This Van parked at a local shopping center and at various neighborhood grade schools to deliver health care and referrals. People volunteered to drive patients to referral sites if necessary. Planned Parenthood was one of the referral organizations.
When I inquired about the morality of a Catholic Parish facilitating its parishioners attendance at abortion and family planning programs I was told that providing services to needy people was the first and foremost concern. Abortion was not their problem.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ok, don't answer. How does the decision of one parish nurse negate the 1st Amendment? Never mind. I'm done with you, you obviously don't care what the truth is, you'd rather spin to your heart's content. And then congratulate yourself on your superiority. Truly, a legend in your own mind.

Nice chatting with you.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

To the extent that the church functions as a lobbyist, rather than itself clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and performing the other traditional acts of charity, the church loses a rich source of its own spiritual nourishment. This has, in turn, led to a secularizing of the social assistance systems (schools, hospitals, orphanages, health clinics). This development minimizes the moral influence of religious mediating institutions which are so critical in helping to stabilize troubled families.”
I recently interviewed a parish nurse who had been featured in the Oakland Diocese Newspaper. She had attended a parish nurse training program in her former state of Wisconsin but could not find a position there. She later moved to her current location and recently found acceptance as a Parish Nurse in her own parish in Antioch, California.
She shared her enthusiasm for her work in a community consisting in large part of recent immigrant parishioners of low income and somewhat poor health and nutrition. Her parish and Pastor are well recognized for partnership activities with a community organizing group entitled Contra Costa Interfaith supporting Community Organization - CCISCO which is itself a partner with a statewide community organizing lobby group called PICO - Pacific Institute for Community Organizing. These groups along with SEIU and the California Nurses as well as Planned Parenthood, have spearheaded lobby days in Sacramento to advance the cause of universal health care.
I asked this Parish Nurse if she refers parishioners to the Healthy Families program? She said yes. She, further, affirmed that referrals to Planned Parenthood were also included in those references. I then asked her why a Catholic Church would be referring its parishioners to an organization that promoted abortion and family planning which are in opposition to the Catholic Faith teaching? At that point her whole demeanor changed. She stated that she merely made referrals to those agencies most appropriate for type of service needed by the parishioner. It was not her responsibility as to what services the parishioner actually accepted.
Several years ago a parish in Concord, California, also within the Oakland Diocese provided assistance to the county health department in the refurbishing of an old van to be used as a mobile medical services van for residents of the Monument Corridor. This area is heavily populated with legal and illegal residents. Members of the Concord Parish saw this van as a way to obtain needed health services unobtainable any other way. This Van parked at a local shopping center and at various neighborhood grade schools to deliver health care and referrals. People volunteered to drive patients to referral sites if necessary. Planned Parenthood was one of the referral organizations.
When I inquired about the morality of a Catholic Parish facilitating its parishioners attendance at abortion and family planning programs I was told that providing services to needy people was the first and foremost concern. Abortion was not their problem.

Nothing you wrote justifies governmental infringement of civil liberties enumerated and guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[CJ7]

it just justifys the hypocracy of the Catholic Church being indirectly associated with BC while knowingly taking people to abortion clinics. ON YAXPAYER $ no less ... wheres the rage oh ye of conservative faith?

BTW ... I didnt write anything ,,, the wording was Provided by an article published by none other than THE PARISH NURSE.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

it just justifys the hypocracy of the Catholic Church being indirectly associated with BC while knowingly taking people to abortion clinics. ON YAXPAYER $ no less ... wheres the rage oh ye of conservative faith?

BTW ... I didnt write anything ,,, the wording was Provided by an article published by none other than THE PARISH NURSE.

You didn't cite.

Isn't tax payer money going to Planned Parenthood despite Obama's personal promise to Stupak that taxpayer dollars wouldn't be spent on abortions? BTW, every other liberal poster in this forum claims Planned Parenthood offers sooooo much more than abortions.

[CJ7]

executive summary


catholics pay their taxes, their tax money goes to the government, they lobby for government funding paid for by taxpayers, catholic healthcare facilities take people to abortion clinics which use $ collected from (catholic) taxpayers ... NO PROBLEM.


have a nice evening

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

I'm all for tax funded castrations of Liberals.

that was totally profound

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Another cut and paste Louie... boring and irrelevant.


Have you accepted the fact that all these rights were voted into law by the GOP and not democrats?

there's one caveat with that. The GOP in those days were rather liberal (not in a lefty sense) politically; Dems were rather conservative as well as racists.