OBAMA ADMINISTRATION PLAYS THE RACE CARD (AGAIN) !

[WTF]

When I am at my computer I will dispell all that bullshit you just posted. Let's just say we already have government mandated insurance. Given the current system or trying to bring everyone into the system I prefer changing the present system. But like I said you can to find massive voter fraud. This is a stupid fix to a problem that does not exist.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

But like I said you can to find massive voter fraud.

Look those names up.

[Wizard of Ahhhhs]

Originally Posted by WTF

If it was passed to prevent Dem's from getting some of their base to the polls...it is a great law!

The Dem's already have a process to keep the opponents' base from the polls... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bla...imidation_case

[CuteOldGuy]

Don't confuse WTF with facts. It only frustrates him.

[Iaintliein]

I don't know what their so worried about, hell, death doesn't even keep a lot of their base from voting.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

I don't know what their so worried about, hell, death doesn't even keep a lot of their base from voting.

Yea but at least now they'll need to show their death certificate.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Here's a different question. What level of illegal votes is tolerable? How many illegal votes must be cast before it is a problem?

You'll bitch about this answer but fuck you anyway.

Tolerable level? Number before it is a problem?

These are subjective terms that have many definitions. They can be argued all day.

First question: The absolute value answer is fewer than it takes to change the outcome of an election.

Second question: The absolute value answer is when enough are cast to change the outcome of an election.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

They weren't, e.g., John Q Adams, Hayes, Garfield, McKinley, Harding, Kennedy, etc.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Look those names up.

Well not one of these names come from les than 55 years ago!

Originally Posted by Wizard of Ahhhhs

The Dem's already have a process to keep the opponents' base from the polls... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_ intimidation_case [/quote].

Wow, that was a massive voter intimidation!

One case. Like I said massive Democratic coordinated effort!

Should it happen? No. Was is a coordinated Dem front to the voting process? Fuc no.

Let me tell you something, it is bullshit felons not in prison can not vote. Talk about voter suppression. Somebody that has paid their debt to society , is not allowed to vote. Oh you let them out of jail but not vote. But that really is another chapter in this book.

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

You'll bitch about this answer but fuck you anyway.

Tolerable level? Number before it is a problem?

These are subjective terms that have many definitions. They can be argued all day.

First question: The absolute value answer is fewer than it takes to change the outcome of an election.

Second question: The absolute value answer is when enough are cast to change the outcome of an election.

COG is a so called little government guy but everytime there is a minor problem he calls for massive government intervention...as long as it suits his wants and needs!

I have never seen a more confused poster in my life.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Budman

How is this more goverment in your life. .

It is not in my life. I have a government ID. But I lost my DL once and could not find my passport and had to go to the county office to get a copy of my Birth C. Guess what, they wanted a DL or passport. A fucking nightmare. I can't even remember wtf the next step was but it was a circle jerk. And I have money and means and time to fix those problems...many do not.

So while it may not be more government in your life, it sure the fuc is for people with little or no means....Not that you give a fuc about the ederly and poor.

Originally Posted by Budman

If you don't want to show your ID then don't vote. If you don't have an ID and don't want to get one, then you don't get to vote. Your choice. Nobody is forcing you to to do either..

That is a brilliant solution...let us all become sheep. Herded by the government from one circle jerk to the next.

Originally Posted by Budman

You have no problem with the goverment forcing us to by insurance yet this is a huge goverment intrusion. Give me a break.

I have no problem with the government trying to change the way the healthcare system is presently set up. As it is, or was poor folks went to the ER and you and I footed that bill. If they can change that model to a PM model and save you and I some money in the long term, I am all for that.

That is a far cry from me having no problem with Obamacare...anything would be better than the system we had. Did you take math in high school. That model was breaking this country.

Originally Posted by Budman

. Give me a break.

You don't need a break, you need a brain

[WTF]

Now would one of you defenders of these types of laws please provide a link of massive voter fraud and pray tell how these type laws will fix it.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Well not one of these names come from les than 55 years ago!

Wrong list!

Go to - http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=1945100&postcou nt=44

and -

Vote-Fraud Ruling Shifts Pennsylvania Senate

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us...ia-senate.html

Positive ID cannot cure voter fraud, but it damn sure will mitigate the number of attempts at voter fraud.

How many beers did you buy without your phony ID when you were underage?

[Budman]

I'm sure this will not satisfy you but here is a list of Acorn fraud.

http://rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

We have to show ID for so many things today that saying this will be a huge burden for the masses is silly.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Budman

We have to show ID for so many things today that saying this will be a huge burden for the masses is silly.

I did not say for the masses, I said for the poor and elderly which is going to be more and more folks with the baby boomers hitting the end

Originally Posted by Budman

I'm sure this will not satisfy you but here is a list of Acorn fraud.

http://rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

.

These were stopped before any voting was done...no mass cases of voter fraud. Acorn workers got paid by how many folks they signed up...some of those workers tried to fuc Acorn out of money but that is a far cry from actual voter fraud.

I wish you guys would actually read what you link with an open mind.

Again, there has been no massive voter fraud cases.

You do understand that fraud ID's will be the next big government scare tactic and then you guys will go along with the government implanting chips up your ass...some you light in the britch's fuc'ers will do so gladly!

[CuteOldGuy]

You've lost, WTF. Give it up. Just quietly tell yourself that you are superior. The rest of us will congratulate you on your try. But you lost.

[dilbert firestorm]

the problem with voter fraud is that it only affects very tight races 50-50 or 49-51 where 100 or 1000 votes can swing the election one way.

from what I can tell, voter fraud has little or no affect if a vote is 55% higher, unless there was some blatant ballot stuffing going.

vote fraud wasn't as blatant as it used to be from 1796 - 1960's)

heck, I had a co-worker tell me stories where his father and some friends would steal some ballot boxes and toss them in the swamp in the 40's -50's.

There are examples of possible voter fraud like Washington governor's race between Dino & Gregiore; minnesota senate race where a comedian won in very close race. Ballot boxes that disappeared and reappeared sucspiciously. both of them had precinct discrepancies where they were more voters than the population of the precinct.

dead people voting is generally found in Chicago.