JFK Assassination - Nov. 22, 1963

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by oralick

Thanks King, I had never seen that, and it refreshed the memory of JFK as the American Patriot he was. He may not have been a perfect man, Lord knows if there are any, but his Patriotism could never be denied. Unfortunately, these many years later, so much of Washington is led my the "Hidden Agendas" he was warning the press about. Also, unfortunately, both the Press and our "elected" leaders, seem to answer to the secretive 1%, that are more concerned about Greed, than about the American People. As it stands, it appears America may be lost without a shot fired. "Conquered from within", as Nikita Khrushchev once threatened. Also, for whatever it's worth, I have taken many Deer over the years with Headshots to protect the meat, and I have never had a single one fall "TOWARDS ME"! May not be scientific enough for the lab, but it works for me, to have a definite opinion.

I heard that speech years ago and it can apply today as it did during JFK time and before his time.
That speech basically describes the importance of 'Freedom of Speech' and the dangers of suppressing it.

[kingorpawn]

This is the complete speech part 1 and 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E58u3...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5XVU...eature=related

[Guest040616]

I would much prefer that we talked about the substantive issues of JFK's presidency as opposed to the assassination. As I said previously, we are not going to solve that mystery on these pages. But providing links to his speeches that give insight into his vision for America is certainly worth sharing.

For a number of reasons, JFK was my personal favorite of all the Presidents in my lifetime. Before someone tries to pile on, I did not say the best, I said my personal favorite. Thanks for the link kingorpawn!

[DTorrchia]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I would much prefer that we talked about the substantive issues of JFK's presidency as opposed to the assassination. As I said previously, we are not going to solve that mystery on these pages. But providing links to his speeches that give insight into his vision for America is certainly worth sharing.

For a number of reasons, JFK was my personal favorite of all the Presidents in my lifetime. Before someone tries to pile on, I did not say the best, I said my personal favorite. Thanks for the link kingorpawn!

Whether you agree with his politics or not, IMHO, he was a true leader.
One of my college professors hated him like no other but only because this professor took part in the Bay of Pigs. While I can understand his feelings, one thing I respected was that Kennedy took full responsibility. He didn't hide behind 20 layers of Government. He took his lumps, learned from it and became an even better President for it.
Sadly we haven't seen that kind of leadership in our Nation's highest Office in a very long time.

[kingorpawn]

Even if we were to solve his assassination now, most involved are probably pretty old or dead. Today with cell phone cameras, 24hr news networks, the internet, you couldn't get away with something like that. The 60's were a different time and a different world. I think it is important to look at the assassination, but it is also important to remember that he was still a great president who stood for the American people. The Cuban missile crisis alone shows what he was made off. To be in a nuclear war standoff, took a lot of courage; even though, he did not have the full support of his leadership, he stood his ground and in the end, made the right decisions.

If you haven't seen the movie, I recommend it: Thirteen Days (2000)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146309/

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by carpenter

It was payback for the Kennedy's pulling the air support in Cuba and them, John and Bobby, for going after certain members of the Mafia once in office, some of the same people who put them in power, with their with the union vote. They got John and then 5 yrs. later they got Bobby.

It was much deeper than that.

Kennedy was opposed to the entire Pentagon/CIA agenda, meaning, he was in secret contact with Kruschov to dismantle the entire conflict. They were trading letters via intermediaries, and this was not a trusted approach.*

This is how he ended the Cuban missile crisis, which the Pentagon didn't want to end....they welcomed it as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba and they were denied it.

In particular...

CIA was planning several covert actions which Kennedy would have opposed, including important Coups in Indonesia, Congo and Brazil.

Kennedy was in the process of writing off all the southeast Asia including Vietnam and Laos.

And it's not just that he stood in the way of everything; he also risked taking down a lot of people.**

Kennedy would probably have dismantled CIA and re-formed it under Bobby, and this would have risked exposing numerous matters that would have not only ended careers but resulted in the assassinations of the principles themselves.

It was sort of a do-or-die matter for the perpetrators.

*It didn't help matters any that he was smoking and swallowing funny stuff with at night with Cord Meyer's ex-wife in the White House whenever Jackie was out of town. I mean these guys at CIA had spent the last ten years building this huge apperatus all over the world to perform this mission, and then someone like Kennedy comes along and willy-nilly declares he's gonna chunk it all for some utopian dream.....

**He was going to throw Johnson under the bus also, and that probably meant criminal convictions for Johnson regarding numerous Federal crimes while he was a Senator. Johnson was basically a crook who showed up in Washington penniless and in short order became a millionaire via all manner of scams and shady dealings. Like a lot of crooks Johnson loved to throw goodies to the public as a smokescreen to mask his malevolant nature. He loved to play at creating programs for the disadvantaged, etc., but in reality he didn't give a damn.

[MarleyMonroe]

<~~~ Related to oswald by marrige! He was married to one of my moms 1st cousins, i believe.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by MarleyMonroe

<~~~ Related to oswald by marrige! He was married to one of my moms 1st cousins, i believe.

You do look Russian with the blond hair. I'll give you that.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by MarleyMonroe

<~~~ Related to oswald by marrige! He was married to one of my moms 1st cousins, i believe.

That's awesome.

A friend of mine dated one of their children who used to work at the Chile Parlor as a waitress.

I have other friends who knew the Oswalds in Dallas, as well as one of their government buddies, Mr. DeMoranchild, etc. [he died under interesting circumstnces too].

This is where it happend Dude.

There's a lot of action here.

[kingorpawn]

Does this picture really show George H.W. Bush outside the book repository right after JFK was shot? Looks like him and he worked for the CIA at the time and from what I hear his job was to recruit assassins.

[theaustinescorts]

It's not him. He worked with CIA at the time but not in any situation which would have put him at the site of something like that lol!

He actually contacted the FBI with some information he thought he had at the time, but that's about it for the guy. CIA was actively trying to mislead the FBI about numerous matters related to the assassination, but Hoover was too smart to fall for these deceptions, and his investigators pierced them all.

Hooray for Hoover! He's one of my personal heros.

There's also photos from the Plaza of someone who looks like General Lansdale, who worked for CIA at the time, but I don't think Lansdale would have been in the Plaza either.

Months earlier in an Oval Office meeting McNamara produced Lansdale, and Kennedy asked him to convince S. Vietnamese President Diem to resign. However Lansdale refuse, saying, "I cannot do that. He's a friend of mine."

In the car after the meeting McNamara blew up at Lansdale for refusing a request from the President. McNamara didn't realize by that time guys like Lansdale didn't regard Kennedy anymore as President of anything.

The thumbprint of Malcolm Wallace is said to have turned up on one of the "sniper nest" boxes in the Depository Building. Wallace was a known hitman from UT, where he had been an associate Professor of Economics. He had been convicted of killing the owner of the Peter Pan miniature golf course on Barton Springs Road in 1953, but the Judge suspended his sentence and he walked out a free man. He was thereafter implicated in other killings in which LBJ benefited. The golf course owner, Mr. Kinser, was involved with LBJ's sluty sister [Josphina], and the Kinser family still owns the golf course today. Wallace was the UT Class President in 1944 or 1945, and later got his Phd at Columbia, but he liked to dabble in murder from time to time when he could get away with it. In 1972 he was murdered by someone else.

For that matter one of the "three bums" detained by the Dallas Police bears a resemblance to Woody Harrelson's father Charles, who worked as a hitman in Texas at the time. However he's not the kind of person CIA would have relied on for that kind of thing. He did however shoot Federal Judge John Wood in San Antonio in 1979 from 300 yards with a Winchester 270. He aimed for the head but the bullett dropped some inches and hit Wood in the neck, killing him nonetheless.* Harrelson used to hang out with my father in San Antonio [a gun dealer at the time] at the Peppermint Club in the 1960s. Everyone liked Charlie Harrelson, but he developed a bad habit which effected him negatively in the 1970s. Harrelson, my father, and many other such characters in San Antonio could always be recognized by their trademark "Satel's" suits, stripped ties, and diamond rings. There was however no "family" influences in the Alamo city as there was in Dallas and Houston. Such people were not welcome in south Texas. That area was "No Country for Old Men," or gangsters with Sicilian accents. And no, I don't think ANYONE like Anton Chigurh would have lasted more than a week there either [serious A-hole with no friends].

In the 1970s the Chicago Tribune and a small rag owned by Liberty Lobby claimed Watergate burgler/CIA Station Chief Howard Hunt was involved in the assassination, and was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Hunt denied it all and sued Liberty Lobby, but in trial was unable to convince anyone he wasn't there. Then on his deathbed he reversed himself completely and admitted he was a part of the plot afterall. He implicated Cord Meyer, Bill Harvey, and others.

Harvey was the only man in history to carry a gun into the Oval Office for a meeting with the President [Kennedy]. He was a vulgar, fat, sweaty guy who was probably the most effective Case Officer the CIA ever had, and was the Berlin Base Chief before Kennedy put him in Cuba.

What the CIA never learned was that the TYPE of person who goes to Yale or Harvard and such places usually isn't the TYPE of person to have the gut street sense and natural FAMILIARITY WITH LYING and DECEPTION which real spies require.

In the US only street guys like Harvey make good spies. The middle class kids CIA gets out of the Universities are unable to spot agents when they lie to them, and this explains why SO MANY CIA AGENTS ARE ACTUALLY DOUBLE-AGENTS....like the ones that just blew a whole network of Iranians in Iran and Lebanon who are now tortured/terminated as a result.**

Harvy was the only person in the American government who correctly realized that Harold Philby was a Soviet mole. He sensed it the moment they met.

*I used to like the Winchester .270 for it's flat trejectory/high velocity, however my father was always a fan of 7mm Mausers and Remington 7mm Magnums. Now that I'm older I can see why he preferred the Rem. 7mm Mag. It has more power, and cartridges are available in many bullet weights/velocities so I can avoid loading myself. I hate loading myself because when I was ten my first business was re-loading other people's stuff and it was a major pain. I did prefer it though to having a paper route because I didn't have to do it at 5am. The issue however with some of the higher velocity factory rounds like the Hornady [at 3500 fps mv] is that the rifle twist is not always friendly to these very high velocities. I have found however a Browning/Miruku that has an adjustable twist mechanism on the end of the barrel. When I can afford a suitable 25x scope we'll see if it works.

**What can anyone say under such circumstances except, "Sorry partner but I just got you killed. I didn't mean for it to happen and will send a check to your widow if I can...maybe...."

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

It's not him. He worked with CIA at the time but not in any situation which would have put him at the site of something like that lol!

I couldn't tell and i doubt he would allow a photo with him at the crime scene
to be published.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Harvey was the only man in history to carry a gun into the Oval Office for a meeting with the President [Kennedy].

That's not entirely true. Elvis Presley did it when he went to meet President Nixon; although, the Secret Service or Nixons aides took his guns away once he was inside the white house. One gun was a gift for Nixon. Although, rumor has it, he still had a derringer in his boot.
On Dec. 21, it will be 41 yrs since that meeting took place.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/elvis/elnix.html

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

That's not entirely true. Elvis Presley did it when he went to meet President Nixon; although, the Secret Service or Nixons aides took his guns away once he was inside the white house. One gun was a gift for Nixon. Although, rumor has it, he still had a derringer in his boot.
On Dec. 21, it will be 41 yrs since that meeting took place.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/elvis/elnix.html

The derringer in the boot is speculation at best lol.

Rather than take the guns away like fat old Elvis, fat sweaty old Bill Harvey just walzed right into the Oval Office with a loaded revolver which no one thought was any kind of problem.

We need more people like William King Harvey in government, and fewer people like the ass-covering nincompoops who run the CIA. These guys are so dangerous that anyone who agrees to work for them can pretty much sign their own death warrant because it's almost certain they'll be uncovered due to CIA ineptitude and incompetence.

Harvey was later made the Station Chief in Rome, and I know someone who swears he saw him screwing his secretary on his office desk in the middle of the day.

Harvey's second wife, Clara Grace, was a whole lotta woman, and it's said they use to get into fist fights with each other from time to time. They made a good team though. While in Berlin they adopted a baby they that was literally left on a doorstep next door.