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F-Sharp · 12-04-2011, 02:01 AM

The postal service is not a for-profit business, but rather a Constitutional mandate.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Until 1982, the postal service was a tax-payer funded organization and postage stamps were considered a form of taxation. Under Federal law, the postal service is allowed to run a deficit and unless the United States files for bankruptcy, it can't go "bankrupt" or "go out of business". Comparing them to UPS is FedEx is just idiotic, but then again, look no further than the source (be it Wyldeman or Fox News).

"The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people.

The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people.

It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities.

The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people. (b) The Postal Service shall provide a maximum degree of effective and regular postal services to rural areas, communities, and small towns where post offices are not self-sustaining.

No small post office shall be closed solely for operating at a deficit, it being the specific intent of the Congress that effective postal services be insured to residents of both urban and rural communities. (c) As an employer, the Postal Service shall achieve and maintain compensation for its officers and employees comparable to the rates and types of compensation paid in the private sector of the economy of the United States."

http://us-code.vlex.com/vid/sec-postal-policy-19236133

kingorpawn · 12-04-2011, 03:43 AM

I know all that. Because USPS is not tax-payer funded, it can't make enough money to pay those it employs. By making a profit, I mean it will have enough money to continue to operate. Otherwise, it will need a govt bailout. So you are correct, it won't go out of business because the govt. will bail it out.

I don't know what Fox News has too do with this issue. All I know about Fox News is that it has the best looking chicks of any news network.

Guest040616 · 12-04-2011, 05:00 AM

The USPS is struggling due to technological advances. The internet (most people now have an email account) as well as the ease of online banking digs deeply into USPS income.

WyldemanATX · 12-04-2011, 10:36 AM

USPS is failing because of the unions....

UPS and Fed Ex are doing fine with all the new technologies...

Guest040616 · 12-04-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

USPS is failing because of the unions....

UPS and Fed Ex are doing fine with all the new technologies...

Wylde, did Rush teach you everything you know about the real world?

Since you brought the "union" issue up, would you mind explaining to me what organized labor had to do with the advent of the electronic media? While you're at it please explain whether that factor had an adverse affect upon lost revenue in what was once considered to be the USPS almost exclusive right to charge for mail delivery. Before you respond, consider the following:

The average household, and many businesses, are sending significantly less by stamped mail today than they were 10 years ago. In my household alone, I suspect it is 80-90% less. A significant portion of the decrease is due to people now paying their monthly bills through online banking. Ten years ago and decades prior to that, most of the business and household bills were mailed with a USPS stamp, bought and paid for by the consumer! Today these transactions are being done electronically with the click of a mouse. In the event you are unable to put two and two together, there is no financial benefit to the USPS when the mouse is clicked! Unless of course, there is a USPS stamp on the mouse!

On second thought, i should give you the benefit of the doubt. It might not be your fault! You are probably not old enough to remember when your "Daddy" paid the bills by snail mail, while your "Mommy" was changing your diapers! Repeat after me, the electronic age has resulted in LOST REVENUE for USPS! And lots of it!

As for UPS and Fed Ex, they have a specialized niche in the market place that is not nearly as negatively impacted by emails, electronic banking and the like! And I hate to bust your bubble but.....UPS has a significant percentage of its employees who are unionized. To a lesser degree Fed Ex has organized employees, as well!

I suppose you overlooked those facts when you boldly proclaimed that the "unions" were the only problem!

Dude, you should quit listening to Rush! There is a whole world that you can learn from. Don't limit yourself to a full dose of Rush's bullshit!

theaustinescorts · 12-04-2011, 03:50 PM

Seven years working for a medical device manufacturer yeilded this conclusion:

Medicine in the US is a business like any other.

At least 90% of the surgeries using our product were unnecessary.

kingorpawn · 12-04-2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

USPS is failing because of the unions....

UPS and Fed Ex are doing fine with all the new technologies...

I don't know about how the Unions impacted the USPS, but in other industries like the auto industry they definitely had negative impacts. Too much power and influence.

Well, the UPS and Fed Ex were definitely able to adjust probably because they weren't constraint by Congressional laws.

kingorpawn · 12-04-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

Wylde, did Rush teach you everything you know about the real world?

I think Rush is just an opinionated guy. I've heard him a few times and I've never found him interesting, but some things I've heard him say were funny.

WyldemanATX · 12-05-2011, 09:40 AM

Niche market.....that is funny..

USPS delivers packages and envelopes to businesses and residents.

UPS delivers packages and envelopes to businesses and residents.
Fed Ex delivers packages and envelopes to businesses and residents.

Do not see a difference.....Hummmmmm

I thought I was the slow one.....

apocalypse · 12-05-2011, 10:49 AM

I don't usually post, but rather casually follow these political threads. I'm neither an Obama supporter nor a Democrat. Having said that, the points of view in these threads seem so one sided to me. The differences in the arguments being presented are astonishing. Some of you should stop speaking for the right because it's embarrassing.

Oh yeah, there's a difference between the USPS, UPS, and FedEx. It's different because the Post Office is constitutionally mandated, the others aren't. This means that USPS resources have to be committed to areas that others aren't required to. For example, a post office or delivery route committed to Bum Fuck, Alaska whereas FedEx and UPS can just refuse service to desolate areas due to their inconvenience. That's not exactly competing on equal levels.

Booth · 12-05-2011, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apocalypse

I don't usually post, but rather casually follow these political threads. I'm neither an Obama supporter nor a Democrat. Having said that, the points of view in these threads seem so one sided to me. The differences in the arguments being presented are astonishing. Some of you should stop speaking for the right because it's embarrassing.

Oh yeah, there's a difference between the USPS, UPS, and FedEx. It's different because the Post Office is constitutionally mandated, the others aren't. This means that USPS resources have to be committed to areas that others aren't required to. For example, a post office or delivery route committed to Bum Fuck, Alaska whereas FedEx and UPS can just refuse service to desolate areas due to their inconvenience. That's not exactly competing on equal levels.

You have to take it all with a grain of salt. When you have someone claiming that it will be 100 years before America elects another black man to be president and then makes an exception for the current president's re-election in 2012 you have to laugh.

theaustinescorts · 12-05-2011, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apocalypse

I don't usually post, but rather casually follow these political threads. I'm neither an Obama supporter nor a Democrat. Having said that, the points of view in these threads seem so one sided to me. The differences in the arguments being presented are astonishing. Some of you should stop speaking for the right because it's embarrassing.

Oh yeah, there's a difference between the USPS, UPS, and FedEx. It's different because the Post Office is constitutionally mandated, the others aren't. This means that USPS resources have to be committed to areas that others aren't required to. For example, a post office or delivery route committed to Bum Fuck, Alaska whereas FedEx and UPS can just refuse service to desolate areas due to their inconvenience. That's not exactly competing on equal levels.

Hoorah.

The post office is the national postal service of the United States, and isn't intended to be profitable anymore than the road system is. It's called a public service.

If people want them to balance their books they'd better be prepared to pay $2.00 per first class stamp to do it. And considering what others pay around the world that wouldn't be an unfair price for postage.

WyldemanATX · 12-05-2011, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apocalypse

I don't usually post, but rather casually follow these political threads. I'm neither an Obama supporter nor a Democrat. Having said that, the points of view in these threads seem so one sided to me. The differences in the arguments being presented are astonishing. Some of you should stop speaking for the right because it's embarrassing.

Oh yeah, there's a difference between the USPS, UPS, and FedEx. It's different because the Post Office is constitutionally mandated, the others aren't. This means that USPS resources have to be committed to areas that others aren't required to. For example, a post office or delivery route committed to Bum Fuck, Alaska whereas FedEx and UPS can just refuse service to desolate areas due to their inconvenience. That's not exactly competing on equal levels.

Which proves government regulation is the problem not modern technology....

kingorpawn · 12-05-2011, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booth

You have to take it all with a grain of salt. When you have someone claiming that it will be 100 years before America elects another black man to be president and then makes an exception for the current president's re-election in 2012 you have to laugh.

I meant someone else other than Obama plus he's only half-black. Anyway, I take that back, probably never since the black population will decline or not even exist in 100 yrs. The fastest growing demographic group are the Hispanics and both the white and black populations are declining in numbers except for interracial groups. So you will definitely have a Hispanic president within the next 40 yrs. Get back to me in 100 yrs.

kingorpawn · 12-05-2011, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apocalypse

I don't usually post, but rather casually follow these political threads. I'm neither an Obama supporter nor a Democrat. Having said that, the points of view in these threads seem so one sided to me. The differences in the arguments being presented are astonishing. Some of you should stop speaking for the right because it's embarrassing.

Oh yeah, there's a difference between the USPS, UPS, and FedEx. It's different because the Post Office is constitutionally mandated, the others aren't. This means that USPS resources have to be committed to areas that others aren't required to. For example, a post office or delivery route committed to Bum Fuck, Alaska whereas FedEx and UPS can just refuse service to desolate areas due to their inconvenience. That's not exactly competing on equal levels.

I don't think the points of view are one-sided. I'm not either for the right or left. That's my point, that the USPS can't compete if the laws didn't keep its hands tide. Debate is good. That's what America is all about.