JFK Assassination - Nov. 22, 1963

[Billy_Saul]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

My uncle was in the 82nd Airborne in Vietnam, he did 2 tours
and he lived in Dallas. He was a sniper. He told me why Oswald
was not the assassin.

You have to do your own research.

I am curious, in your opinion which of the shots that hit Kennedy were fired from the grassy Knoll? The one in the neck, the one in the head, or both?

[carpenter]

As reported in the Dallas morning news, there were many witnesses who claimed to have seen Tippet and McDonald often at Ruby's Club. Jack Ruby was a small time bad guy, known for dealing in stolen goods, book making, and various other low level criminal enterprises, and the club was a Mafia money laundring establishment. His story of his overwhelming patirotic duty to avenge Kennedy was laughable at best. And there were many other witnesses that saw a plain white sedan parked on the triple overpass at the time of the shooting that sped away immediately after the shots. Some thought it looked like an unmarked Dallas police car. But it was a perfect place for the third shooter for a triangle for best effect.

[carpenter]

The head shot was from the front, the neck was from the back from what the ER doctor told my aunt, of course the "Official Version" all shots were from the rear. And of course we have not even started to talk about the shots that hit Gov. Connelly. I remember on one of the many documentries that some "expert" was saying that is was not necessarily so that Kennedy's head moving back did mean that the shot was from the front, that often it could happen where the object would move towards the direction of the shot when being struck. Kind of defies physics but what the hell, most of us "could not pour piss out of a boot", and we will believe anything we are told, even when it difies common sense and logic

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

I am curious, in your opinion which of the shots that hit Kennedy were fired from the grassy Knoll? The one in the neck, the one in the head, or both?

My information did not come from documentaries or history books or conspiracy theories. It came from somebody who did it in a war.

The first shot from behind missed. The throat shot was from behind and back shot that hit him and Gov. Connelly was from the back and the front shot was from the front.

My uncle also told me why Oswald did not kill Officer Tippet either. He explained me the distance Oswald had to walk among other things. I don't remember everything he told me because it was like 20 yrs ago. My uncle knew what he was talking about because that's what he did in Vietnam. He's operations were all CIA driven and he was part of Army intelligence. Assassinations, search and destroy, among other things. He operated with the Green Berets, Navy Seals, even Air Force specials forces which I didn't know they had in Vietnam. Basically, he said it was a well-planned ambush and that the Kennedy's had pissed off the wrong people. He told me a lot of stuff from planning to execution to escape, etc.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

My uncle was in the 82nd Airborne in Vietnam, he did 2 tours
and he lived in Dallas. He was a sniper. He told me why Oswald
was not the assassin.

You have to do your own research.

Many people have demonstrated that the rifle could have been cycled in the time permitted, but no one is able to aim it at any target and squeeze off the shots in the allotted time. Additionally, even though the target wasn't that far away it was tracking upward, and I don't know anyone who can make that shot.

To me the technical issues suggest a conspiracy but don't suggest the culprits.

The really unexplainable issues suggesting CIA involvement can be found in the original Warren Commission report....

1.There's no explaination for the people in the Plaza who showed Secret Service badges to avoid detention. They were absolutely not Secret Service.

2.The CIA's false report that Oswald was in Mexico City meeting with the KGB's head of special action - HE WASN'T THERE. Not only is the photo they provided not him, but they claimed they'd destroyed their recording of him with the KGB when they hadn't. The recording still existed in the 1970s, and was heard by members of the Select Committee's staff and they insisted it was definitely not him. Establishing his meeting with the KGB was necessary to squelch further investigation, although it didn't work out that way due to their bungling. The calibre of the officers who were involved in the assassination were not the government's finest...they were among the worst, and it didn't take much competence to make the plan work under such circumstances.

These two issues point to the assassination being conducted by someone in CIA.....with or without Oswald.

Frankly I don't think Oswald had anything to do with it other than as a patsy.

Personally I believe a lot of people knew about it but couldn't do anything about the matter. I also believe many people were later killed to promote the cover.

You have to remember after Johnson took office NO ONE IN GOVERNMENT WANTED TO HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT IT.
It's easy to get away with even a stupid crime when that applies.

Lone nuts do perform assassinations, but they never deny it. Denying it defeats the whole point of what they're doing.

If Oswald killed the President he would have been crowing about it, not insisting otherwise.

ps....
Cord Meyer and his wife, Mary, and the Kennedys were next door neighbors when Kennedy was a Senator. The house where the Kennedys lived in was "Hickory Hill," where Bobby lived later. They knew each other very closely. It was at that house that Mary and Cord's son was stuck and killed by an automobile. After Mary's death her diary was taken by CIA Counter-Intelligence Chief James Angleton, who was seen in Mary's house taking it. He broke in...he admitted it. Angleton knew Mary, Cord, the Kennedy's, and anyone who mattered. Unlike the strange and introverted characters who have represented Angleton in films like "Good Shepard," Angleton was a gregareous man who attended dinner parties almost every night of the week. He was known and admired by everyone. A google search of Cord Meyer reveals not only him but the fortune in New York his family still maintains.

[cckid2006]

Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

There was a very good documentary on the History Channel last night that used modern computerized analysis of trajectories, 3D graphics and modeling, and a lot of good interviews from people involved in the events of 1963 which support the theory of Oswald as the lone actor.

I saw that and their theory was that the "magic" bullet hit JFK in the back. Autopsy photos clearly show a throat wound. Amazing how they glossed over that to prove their theory. If you look at the film, JFK clutches his adams apple. The shot had to come from street level. as supported by the autopsy photos. Oswald said it best "I'm a patsy".

[cckid2006]

Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

Please post a link to the photo or video specifically. Doubt you can. I have no intention of searching the internet for a non-existent photo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAynJWVCO9Q

[Guest040616]

Do you believe that we will solve the mystery surrounding JFK's death on these pages?

If so, say Aye, those who oppose say no!

NO

Shall we move on?

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by carpenter

The head shot was from the front, the neck was from the back from what the ER doctor told my aunt, of course the "Official Version" all shots were from the rear. And of course we have not even started to talk about the shots that hit Gov. Connelly. I remember on one of the many documentries that some "expert" was saying that is was not necessarily so that Kennedy's head moving back did mean that the shot was from the front, that often it could happen where the object would move towards the direction of the shot when being struck. Kind of defies physics but what the hell, most of us "could not pour piss out of a boot", and we will believe anything we are told, even when it difies common sense and logic

By now it should be clear that the head shot was from the front. The principle ER Doctor treating JFK has written a book explaining what he witnessed, and was clearly a shot from the front.

Most witnesses in the Plaza heard that particular shot from the fence atop the "Knoll," and it was in pursuit of such that the Dallas Police Officer had his encounter with the suited man with the Secret Service ID.

That Officer actually encountered one of the assassins, as did other Officers who stopped two other people leaving the Book Depository who also had Secret Service IDs.

It's interesting that three of the four likely actual assassins were stopped by the police but they were allowed to escape.

While all this was going on Oswald was seen elsewhere in the Depository building, and then he left, eventually waiting in the theater for someone to meet him....the Dallas police found him there and he was pissed when he saw what was happening.

There were many, many people who had knowledge of the events, but there was just nothing anyone could do about it.

After the assassination the government went forward like a runaway train and everything else was left in the dust.

Under Kennedy the Federal government was very quiet. Kennedy had few legislative or any other initiatives. His philosopy wasn't to expand the role of government or the powers of the President. He did however consider that he as President should have final word on how the government was run.....when wars should be fought, when covert actions should be mounted, what kind of money was created and how, etc. etc.

Johnson was the opposite.

Johnson didn't exercise any oversight over how the government was run.

He let the CIA do whatever it wanted, the Pentagon decide what wars to wage, and so on.

But he sought to expand the role of the Presidency and the Federal government into all manner of other areas of public life. He forced the states to accept Federal mandate of just about everything.

I think Kennedy was right and Johnson wrong.

If Kennedy had lived the US would have pulled out of Vietnam, and the CIA would have been disbanded and a new agency formed [likely ran by Bobby Kennedy]*.

There would have been no Voting Rights Act, no Civil Rights Act, no Public Broadcasting, no Federal oversight over Education, probably no Medicaid, none of those things.

The Cold War with the USSR would have been ended by 1970.

*Bobby was no saint, but if it wasn't for his particular talents the US and USSR would have had a nuclear war in October 1962. Bobby alone steered the government away from an invasion of Cuba, buying time for a settlement to be reached. Bobby had proven to everyone that his skills in managing foreign affairs was superb. Only the CIA resented Bobby, and that resentment never abaited until he was shot in the head like his brother.

[carpenter]

It was payback for the Kennedy's pulling the air support in Cuba and them, John and Bobby, for going after certain members of the Mafia once in office, some of the same people who put them in power, with their with the union vote. They got John and then 5 yrs. later they got Bobby.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by carpenter

It was payback for the Kennedy's pulling the air support in Cuba and them, John and Bobby, for going after certain members of the Mafia once in office, some of the same people who put them in power, with their with the union vote. They got John and then 5 yrs. later they got Bobby.

Aren't you forgetting Abraham, McKinley and Martin? While on the subject, what about the failed attempts on Ford and Reagan?

How do all of these pieces fit together? It's kinda like tryin' to fit a square peg into a round hole. Isn't it?

[Billy_Saul]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

They already discovered photos of a shooter in the grassy knoll.

mystery solved

[kingorpawn]

My favorite JFK speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Do you believe that we will solve the mystery surrounding JFK's death on these pages?

If so, say Aye, those who oppose say no!

NO

Shall we move on?

Aye. The assassination has been solved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

[oralick]

Thanks King, I had never seen that, and it refreshed the memory of JFK as the American Patriot he was. He may not have been a perfect man, Lord knows if there are any, but his Patriotism could never be denied. Unfortunately, these many years later, so much of Washington is led my the "Hidden Agendas" he was warning the press about. Also, unfortunately, both the Press and our "elected" leaders, seem to answer to the secretive 1%, that are more concerned about Greed, than about the American People. As it stands, it appears America may be lost without a shot fired. "Conquered from within", as Nikita Khrushchev once threatened. Also, for whatever it's worth, I have taken many Deer over the years with Headshots to protect the meat, and I have never had a single one fall "TOWARDS ME"! May not be scientific enough for the lab, but it works for me, to have a definite opinion.