Post 700 - wondering how we view ourselves and each other

[mtabsw]

ECCIE and the community here have provided me a lot information, food for thought and no small amount of entertainment since I joined, so this milestone post made me think I should try to give back a little.

Lately several folks have commented on the attitudes, and I agree things are not as warm and fuzzy as they were when the group was smaller. Internet bullies and assholes are not unique to ECCIE - every online community I belong to has them - so I won't get on my soapbox here and tell the people who won't read it anyway, much less listen, to behave better.

What I did want to get out there for comment was my reflections on how each side of our little business view themselves, and their counterparts. As a client, I can say how I feel, and I think fairly accurately, how the other guys feel. For the providers, I really can't - but of course, I'll try, and hope some of the girls will correct me or better still, put their thoughts on here.

Yes, I know I'm the customer, and I expect to be catered to, however, my opinion is the girls are selling a commodity that while it is a commodity, it is special to them, and they deserve to be treated as humans. Further, adding a romantic touch or two to my side of the interactions - kind words, tokens and "lady treatment" seem to add to both of our experiences. Maybe I'm more delusional than I think I am, but it seems to make positive impressions, bringing out more positive sessions.

My favorites over the years share one common trait, making me feel like they won the lottery each and every time we meet. They're respectful, cater to my whims, and seem genuinely interested in not only just getting me off, but in a sense of mutual fulfillment - whether it's the GFE flavor or the PSE flavor - or a little of both - I'm left with at least an illusion that they had a good time, and appreciate not just the envelope but me as well. Maybe it's an act, but they're academy award winners then...

On the "room for improvement" side - it seems I hear a lot of guys saying they'd like to see a certain provider, but haven't tried for various reasons relating to her popularity, looks, age etc. "I'm too young/old for her" - "She's probably too busy to see me" - "I doubt she wants to see me". THIS AIN'T HIGH SCHOOL.... all of these girls are in business, and most are far less busy than you might think. Be flexible in your schedule request or offer several windows and you're likely to get welcomed with open arms. None of the good ones will deny you based on age, size (of you or any of your parts), looks and experience. The ones that draw lines based on age or race are few, and I guess they can afford to create those limitations, but it never hurts to ask - they're not the drill team, running back to their sorority sisters giggling about how they shut you down because you're not part of the "in crowd". To paraphrase Willie Nelson - If you got the money, honey, they'll have the time.

The next is for the girls. I believe in careful screening to keep yourself safe. I also understand that you have your own experiences to guide you on some individuals you've decided are not going to be your customers - but for the few girls out there who give off the attitude of only seeing "in crowd" guys, or drawing racial / age boundaries - good luck in your future business - at some point you'll learn equal opportunity is a strength for the girls who do the best in this business.

So - are these "good" and "not so good" traits? If not, what are?

[Guest091314]

Seems like you have your head on straight and think logically....I cannot say that for everybody...

[daty/o]

Very nice, sir. You are a credit to our side.

[LuckJack]

Damn Anchor Clanker didn't know you blue water types were such deep thinkers, too much time at sea I guess. I know I am different from most of the clients here, my Dad was a gambler as were my uncles and in those days, card games were in the back of strip clubs,so there were always working girls around. Pappy's Show Land to be exact. So Jack kinda grew up around working girls, never saw those guys disrespect a girl and they wouldn't let anyone else. I have said a million times civilians bore me to tears. I guess spending six years in SEA...well as SGM Scaglaotti said you don't walk into the shit and stay the same, I find I am most attracted to the 40 something provider, most seem to have a back story and walked into the shit at some point and survived. I just like them better than any other women I know, they are legend on this board. Damn Lucky Jack Aubery indeed. The young girls are great eye candy but damn some of the 40 somethings seem to defy the years, I know this is dangerous but Fawn. Jacxxx, Reese (both Foster and McClain), Lindsey Lacy (and she is probably not 40 yet), Honey Rose, Lana and of course THE DANNIE who is not yet 35 but has lived many lives, leap to mind. They all seem to follow your tips without trying, all are professional courtesans. I hope I treat them as well as my Dad and Uncles treated those girls.

[Prolongus]

Great comments here...and if there are any of you new old, bald, fat, ugly guys are apprehensive about seeing these wonderful, talented, HOT, beautiful Providers; young or old: don't be. If you are CLEAN, well-manicured and respectful of the Providers...and the time constraints...you'll have ALL the lovely ladies you want...any of 'em.

[JohnJohn]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

any of you new old, bald, fat, ugly guys

I just want the wonderful and lovely ladies here to all know that I do not resemble this description. Don't know what the rest of these guys look like, but I do not look like that. I am NOT bald...so there!

mtabsw...Very good way to start a thread. Sure is better than a lot of the negativity we see around here sometimes. Bravo

[steverino50]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

Great comments here...and if there are any of you new old, bald, fat, ugly guys ..

Very nice mtabsw. Your #700 has me looking forward to #701.

Since Prolongus describes me to a "t" I just want to declare my appreciation to the wonderful ladies who look past all that and make me feel like they accept me for me, imperfections and all, at least for the hour or two. That makes them all the more beautiful. See you again soon!

[Guest062124]

Originally Posted by mtabsw

On the "room for improvement" side - it seems I hear a lot of guys saying they'd like to see a certain provider, but haven't tried for various reasons relating to her popularity, looks, age etc. "I'm too young/old for her" - "She's probably too busy to see me" - "I doubt she wants to see me". THIS AIN'T HIGH SCHOOL.... all of these girls are in business, and most are far less busy than you might think. Be flexible in your schedule request or offer several windows and you're likely to get welcomed with open arms. None of the good ones will deny you based on age, size (of you or any of your parts), looks and experience. The ones that draw lines based on age or race are few, and I guess they can afford to create those limitations, but it never hurts to ask - they're not the drill team, running back to their sorority sisters giggling about how they shut you down because you're not part of the "in crowd". To paraphrase Willie Nelson - If you got the money, honey, they'll have the time.

Great advice! If you are interested in a lady, you should inquire. Some of us do not work as much you may assume and there are a few gentlemen here I would love to meet, but would never "cold email or PM" because I think, for me, it's tacky.

[Sami]

I absolutely agree Reese!

Originally Posted by Reese Foster

Great advice! If you are interested in a lady, you should inquire. Some of us do not work as much you may assume and there are a few gentlemen here I would love to meet, but would never "cold email or PM", because I think, for me, it's tacky.

[Caleb]

This is as an excellent thread for the older new guy to read. Gentlemen, thank you for your perspective. It's great to see the wisdom of those with thousands of posts and hundreds of reviews align the way you have here. An excellent balance to some of the drama that seems common. What you have described is the hobby I am looking for. I appreciate your advice and look forward to the experience to come. Thanks also for treating the ladies well, it creates a path that is much easier to follow.

[lisa.lisa0302]

Great thread!!.

Thank you for posting this.

[Kaci Snow]

mtabsw - You are such a wonderful gentlemen inside and out and this post proves that 100%.
You are wise and take a GREAT deal of care in how you treat the ladies you choose to visit with. I truly hope that every provider has a mtabsw of her own.

OK OK back to the question I think that you hit spot on with everything you said ! This should be sticked at the top for all to read. I hope that the ones who truly need to read it will but, hey we al know how that goes on here.

[Kitten]

Originally Posted by mtabsw

THIS AIN'T HIGH SCHOOL....

Thank you Mtabsw for that wonderful and well worded post. I choose to select the above to quote from you. I do believe this can be applied to both hobby and providers alike.

In my opinion , with this being a cyber society we have forgotten common decency. People often post things online about people they would never say to them in person. There are hidden forums where only one side of any story is placed and taken as the golden word.
I come here to have a safe playground. To be drama free and escape into
a world full of passion and pleasure. Where no one is judged for their likes or sexual dislikes. No one is belittled because they are thin, fat , white or black.

I know there is dangers on both side of the hobby. This does not excuse someone from being a good person. If you do not like something about them, then move on. If you worked with this person at a job in the real world you would distance yourself. I am unclear as to where the cyber community became a playground for haters and drama. At the end of the day, this is not my real life. It is a subgroup of it with friends and lovers.

Yes to the ladies this is a business. The bottom line is ladies are here make money. To the hobbyist it is about a quality service that will remain discrete and private. This is not a match making website.

Thank you for reading
Kitten

[Shep3.0]

Well said....mtabsw!!!

[txhunter56]

Yes, as others have said, well done. Your comments are spot on.