Intelligent, classy and educated women who say "f*ck" a lot

[NinaBrooke]

Hello

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Intel...ref=ts&sk=wall

I recently found this group on facebook (me likey, of course ..) and wanted to hear controversial discussions on this topic.
I think the demands of proper language is higher in the US than it is in Europe where some basic swear words always are handy in the vocabulary.

I am curious what you think and have to say :-). Let the brainstorming begin,
love
Nina

[guest010313]

I don't view any words as having some sort of inherent value (good or bad). I have a ridiculous potty mouth. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the word cunt and use it often. "She was being super cunty" for example. But I also don't swear in front of my grandparents. Before you judge someone based on their language, it is pretty important to look at the context. At the bar? I could make a sailor blush. On a date at a restaurant? Not so much.

It becomes an issue when arguing and you devolve into "Fuck you twatrag" and "Well fuck you too." That is just laziness. I have a much bigger issue with inserting the word "like" into every sentence six times. And big long pauses for no reason.

[charlestudor2005]

Back in the stone age, I had a junior high school English teacher who was known (at that time in history) to be somewhat risque not only in nature, but also in beliefs.

But, he always said there was nothing inherently wrong with "4-letter words." It was how they were used. He asserted that ignorant people used those words liberally because they didn't have the education to use other words intelligently. He said the 4 letter words should be used for emphasis.

I agreed with him then, and do so now.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

But, he always said there was nothing inherently wrong with "4-letter words." It was how they were used. He asserted that ignorant people used those words liberally because they didn't have the education to use other words intelligently. He said the 4 letter words should be used for emphasis.

I agreed with him then, and do so now.

That is actually a great perspective and a great meet on middlegrounds! I do agree . Thanks, Charles!

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by SillyGirl

Before you judge someone based on their language, it is pretty important to look at the context. At the bar? I could make a sailor blush. On a date at a restaurant? Not so much.

It becomes an issue when arguing and you devolve into "Fuck you twatrag" and "Well fuck you too." That is just laziness. I have a much bigger issue with inserting the word "like" into every sentence six times. And big long pauses for no reason.

That is interesting insight as well. I do agree with you on all terms. I heard about the issue with the improper use of the word "like". Some people hate it. Me - as a foreigner - at the beginning had a harder time making a distinction of proper and improper use of the word "like" within a sentence (lol).

For me its interesting when people try to use proper language as in english nanny courses, but their acts, habits and ethics contradict that. Same to the improper language: I find it interesting when a put together person sometimes becomes "earthly" and falls out of "place". I prefer the second variation too. So, i do agree on the insight that context is very important. I think if you have class (whatever that might be) and an integer personality with respectable values, the f- word does not weigh so much.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Hello

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Intel...ref=ts&sk=wall

I recently found this group on facebook (me likey, of course ..) and wanted to hear controversial discussions on this topic.
I think the demands of proper language is higher in the US than it is in Europe where some basic swear words always are handy in the vocabulary.

I am curious what you think and have to say :-). Let the brainstorming begin,
love
Nina

I grew up in an environment where one was expected to have absolutely impeccable command of spoken and written language, yet it was fashionable to sprinkle in few "low brow" words here and there.

Unwritten social rule was "you can speak like a drunken sailor when you want to but only if you can maintain conversation on intelligentsia level at all other times".

Lina

[PhantomofTheOpera]

Well, it seems I was taught to use language the way it was meant to be used and that was devoid of foul language or trendy terms such as "like". One of the things I was taught was that anyone who resorted to using vulgar language not only demonstrated a lack of intelligence but also a lack of clarity, education and command of the language they were using. For if one has to use vulgar words to express their thoughts then they are not in control of their emotions, thoughts or the language they are using.

Words do have meaning - always have and always will despite what some think. How one expresses themselves is a reflection of their background, personality, education and abilities.

When I hear a woman(or a man) speaking like what is being described in this thread, I immediately consider her to be of a low class, unintelligent caste that is not worth my time to listen or address. Even in the P4P world, I will turn a deaf ear to a woman who speaks with a tongue like being described with admiration in this thread. For how you express yourself is a reflection of who you are and I choose to be around people who can speak with clarity and intelligence.

Of course, that is my position but it always will be as it always has been.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

When I hear a woman(or a man) speaking like what is being described in this thread, I immediately consider her to be of a low class, unintelligent caste that is not worth my time to listen or address.

That seems a little over the top to me: to classify human beings according to their educational abilities which may not even be within their power to develop. And then disposing of the human being as if they are worthless because that person doesn't meet an arbitrary bar. Yeah, you should have been there for the Master Race. You would have fit in better than here, where we tend to me mostly (gasp) tolerant.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

Well, it seems I was taught to use language

and had you be taught how to cuss proper you would be arguing the exact opposite. Is that good or bad?

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

Unwritten social rule was "you can speak like a drunken sailor when you want to but only if you can maintain conversation on intelligentsia level at all other times".

Lina

I hear you, that is about the social rules in whose context i live in too. My father, though, was very strict with language. No "bad words" were allowed to be used

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

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When I hear a woman(or a man) speaking like what is being described in this thread, I immediately consider her to be of a low class, unintelligent caste that is not worth my time to listen or address. Even in the P4P world, I will turn a deaf ear to a woman who speaks with a tongue like being described with admiration in this thread. For how you express yourself is a reflection of who you are and I choose to be around people who can speak with clarity and intelligence.

Well, seems you did not turn a deaf ear to this thread - you sound so british ;-)
I understand your position, and I do agree with you in that expressing yourself preferably in swear words is very akward and i dislike it as well, although i would stop short of labeling people solely by their words.

You perfectly seem to represent a rather common attitude of judgement that is widely spread. So, i think the posting brings two things together that are highly controversial and open room for an interesting and thoughtful debate. That is kind of the fun in it. Coco Chanel, as an example used swear words and is the epitome of class within her designs, and she is just one of quite a few examples.

Generally, I try to judge people by their actions only. For me the ways of "expressing yourself" are numerous and are beyond words. Words can be one factor amongst many others: I have seen people expressing themselves with the most colorful words and then turn around and act like scumbags mostly. And vice versa.

As to "low class and unintelligent" - I strongly think that intelligence does not necessarily express itself via words (Hell, til now how to measure intelligence is still an open debate). So i might add that i think a person who claims to be educated might stop short of labeling people THAT easy ;-), for example. So the improper use of language might not relate to unintelligent people. I guess it most likely relates to people who did not have a "formal" education.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by WTF

and had you be taught how to cuss proper you would be arguing the exact opposite. Is that good or bad?

WTF i missed you!!!!!!!!!

[London Rayne]

I am one who still puts a * in the place of a letter in every curse word. I just don't find a woman cursing to be very appealing, though I do go nuts now and then. I don't make a habit of cursing in my personal life, unless of course I am actually "doing it."

I will admit that even on a hooker board, certain words make me cringe whether used by a man or a woman. I agree with Phantom.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by SillyGirl

I don't view any words as having some sort of inherent value (good or bad). I have a ridiculous potty mouth. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the word cunt and use it often. "She was being super cunty" for example. But I also don't swear in front of my grandparents. Before you judge someone based on their language, it is pretty important to look at the context. At the bar? I could make a sailor blush. On a date at a restaurant? Not so much.

It becomes an issue when arguing and you devolve into "Fuck you twatrag" and "Well fuck you too." That is just laziness. I have a much bigger issue with inserting the word "like" into every sentence six times. And big long pauses for no reason.

Well you have a cunt. It's strictly up to you if you want to use it often. I don't think you should have it any other way.

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

Well, it seems I was taught to use language the way it was meant to be used and that was devoid of foul language or trendy terms such as "like". One of the things I was taught was that anyone who resorted to using vulgar language not only demonstrated a lack of intelligence but also a lack of clarity, education and command of the language they were using. For if one has to use vulgar words to express their thoughts then they are not in control of their emotions, thoughts or the language they are using.

Words do have meaning - always have and always will despite what some think. How one expresses themselves is a reflection of their background, personality, education and abilities.

When I hear a woman(or a man) speaking like what is being described in this thread, I immediately consider her to be of a low class, unintelligent caste that is not worth my time to listen or address. Even in the P4P world, I will turn a deaf ear to a woman who speaks with a tongue like being described with admiration in this thread. For how you express yourself is a reflection of who you are and I choose to be around people who can speak with clarity and intelligence.

Of course, that is my position but it always will be as it always has been.

Shakespeare is full of profanity. If one wishes to converse as though one has actually perused the works of the Bard perhaps one should familiarize oneself with the language used.

It would also be IMMENSELY helpful if you had the slightest grasp of American grammar.

Jus' sayin.