The Great Toymaker

[theaustinescorts]

Apple has always made some good products, but their problem has always been the narcisstic persona of Steve Jobs. He really got in the way. Jobs didn't want Apple to be a great company. He wanted it to be a cult; a cult about him.

Isn't Jobs the same guy who was removed from Apple at one time?

Isn't he the guy who fathered a child and swore in depositions that it/she couldn't be his because he was sterile, and then fathered children with another wife?

Isn't he the inventor of the "Lisa" desktop, which he named after one of his favorite girlfriends.

One doesn't have to know his real history to see that he'd be better cast as a meglomaniac Roman Emperor than a corporate CEO.

Anyone who's seen his grandeous, exalted stage performances at the launching of Apple products knows the answer to that. What many didn't know was why - that he was an unwanted child who grew up alienated and broke and craved attention and acceptance. Every product they introduced was, in his own mind, as much about him as it was about the product or its users.

He was a legend in his own mind.

When Gates departs from the scene I will welcome it as much also. No one has to be an A-hole to build a company. What's particularly pernicious about these guys is that they pose themselves as the "anti-establishment techie leaders" who don't believe in doing evil. Their hypocracy is emblematic of everything to do with high tech - it's not as revolutionary as it's promoters claim. It's merely doing the same jobs and meeting the same needs in a slightly different way.

These people are not iconoclasts.

They are promoters and showmen.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Apple has always made some good products, but their problem has always been the narcisstic persona of Steve Jobs. He really got in the way. Jobs didn't want Apple to be a great company. He wanted it to be a cult; a cult about him.

Isn't Jobs the same guy who was removed from Apple at one time?

Isn't he the guy who fathered a child and swore in depositions that it/she couldn't be his because he was sterile, and then fathered children with another wife?

Isn't he the inventor of the "Lisa" desktop, which he named after one of his favorite girlfriends.

One doesn't have to know his real history to see that he'd be better cast as a meglomaniac Roman Emperor than a corporate CEO.

Anyone who's seen his grandeous, exalted stage performances at the launching of Apple products knows the answer to that. What many didn't know was why - that he was an unwanted child who grew up alienated and broke and craved attention and acceptance. Every product they introduced was, in his own mind, as much about him as it was about the product or its users.

He was a legend in his own mind.

When Gates departs from the scene I will welcome it as much also. No one has to be an A-hole to build a company. What's particularly pernicious about these guys is that they pose themselves as the "anti-establishment techie leaders" who don't believe in doing evil. Their hypocracy is emblematic of everything to do with high tech - it's not as revolutionary as it's promoters claim. It's merely doing the same jobs and meeting the same needs in a slightly different way.

These people are not iconoclasts.

They are promoters and showmen.

I completely disagree.

[Who's Your Daddy]

You can't do what he did and be Barney Fife. Apple was very close to going into bankruptcy before he came back and his ideas/vision/products have made it to a $380 BILLION company......Ego?? I couldn't care less....People like him change the world in many ways. The very computer you wrote your message for these boards were attributed to many of his innovations. Don't bite the hand that feeds you........just my 2 cents......Peace

[nuglet]

TAE
and you've done WHAT to better the human condition? Oh yeah, I remember.. nothing.

[Yssup Rider]

I don't know why Jobs was any more obliged to change the human condition than you are, but his toys definitely enhanced human culture.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Apple has always made some good products, but their problem has always been the narcisstic persona of Steve Jobs. He really got in the way. Jobs didn't want Apple to be a great company. He wanted it to be a cult; a cult about him.

Isn't Jobs the same guy who was removed from Apple at one time?

Isn't he the guy who fathered a child and swore in depositions that it/she couldn't be his because he was sterile, and then fathered children with another wife?

Isn't he the inventor of the "Lisa" desktop, which he named after one of his favorite girlfriends.

One doesn't have to know his real history to see that he'd be better cast as a meglomaniac Roman Emperor than a corporate CEO.

Anyone who's seen his grandeous, exalted stage performances at the launching of Apple products knows the answer to that. What many didn't know was why - that he was an unwanted child who grew up alienated and broke and craved attention and acceptance. Every product they introduced was, in his own mind, as much about him as it was about the product or its users.

He was a legend in his own mind.

When Gates departs from the scene I will welcome it as much also. No one has to be an A-hole to build a company. What's particularly pernicious about these guys is that they pose themselves as the "anti-establishment techie leaders" who don't believe in doing evil. Their hypocracy is emblematic of everything to do with high tech - it's not as revolutionary as it's promoters claim. It's merely doing the same jobs and meeting the same needs in a slightly different way.

These people are not iconoclasts.

They are promoters and showmen.

You could say the same thing about the Google guys and Facebook dudes, etc. They are simply entrepreneurs who had a vision and made it happen. That's what America is all about. Unlike Gates, Jobs was not an engineer. He simply had an idea and someone else brought it to life.

[KosherCowboy]

If it wasn't for Jobs, it would have changed the landscape of this hobby and pimps who are pimps by default after failing and being rejected in the real world for who knows what reasons would have to use newspapers, yellow pages and paper handouts on the street to make a living.

By the way, a lot of the accomplishments in computers related to Jobs and Gates are due to Israeli technology and innovations. Yes, that's right, the JEWS!!!!

Welcome to reality dude, you should be thanking Jobs, Gates and the Jews for the fact your life is easier and less complicated today and that you can make $$ pimping girls out...

Perhaps your Palestinian heroes have done more to advance this world than Gates and Jobs, o yeah, I haven't seen ' Made in Palestine' on any one product that changed the world, although I have seen their fingerprints on murderous weapons that killed innocent women and children...

Go fish, again...This thread in addition to your anti-Semetic rants clearly show what a hateful and unappreciative person you can present yourself as in posting, and I feel sorry for you, really sorry...

[S O B]

Which is it Kosher, Jews or Israelies? "oy, poor us, everybody hates the jews, waagh". Hate arabs much? Oh Israel doesn't terrorise arabs, and they didn't bomb and strafe that aMERICAN SHIP either. OK right, I concede, jews must be the master race.

[theaustinescorts]

It is shocking that anyone could be so deluded as to actually believe the myth that we wouldn't have PCs or smart phones were it not for this self-aggrandizing guy.

Jobs contributed nothing except the sperm for the child he fathered and then shunned in the same way his own father spawned him and then shunned him.

He was an A-hole who posed himself as a new age guru whose ingestion of large amounts of something he shouldn't have eventually caused him to contract an incurable cancer at an early age.

He's a member of my generation, which is full of such self-styled characters who've given us a host of phoney solutions to non-existent problems, among which are credit default swaps, mortgage-backed securities, untested vaccines for deseases nobody dies from, etc.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by S O B

Which is it Kosher, Jews or Israelies? "oy, poor us, everybody hates the jews, waagh". Hate arabs much? Oh Israel doesn't terrorise arabs, and they didn't bomb and strafe that aMERICAN SHIP either. OK right, I concede, jews must be the master race.

You are completely out of line SOB. KC may be a tad on the strident side, but your writing indicates your hatred for Jewish people eclipses your disdain for Israel or your love for anybody else.

I support Israel, though I do not always support its policies and actions. I have never been there, though my kids have.

To say that Israel=Judaism/"The Jews" is wrong and racist and smacks of the narrow mindedness that leads to bomb blasts in public markets and other acts of racially/'religiously charged terror. It's like saying Germany="The Nazis" or ECCIE="The Whoremongers." (OK maybe the third isn't so wrong.)

It's obvious to me that you know exactly what you're doing, SOB.

You need to stop the race baiting now, or explain why it's OK.

[Spacemtn]

Let's get back to the topic at hand and leave the racial remarks to the newspapers. Racial remarks are forbidden here.

All should consider themselves warned.


Spacemtn
AustinModStaff

[GneissGuy]

I have a lot of bad things to say about Steve Jobs, but let's let the body get cold before we rip him to shreds.

[theaustinescorts]

The reason for my critic of him is that he's emblematic of how the media spins myths contrived by others to push ignoble agendas. The media credits him for everything he wants to be credited for and ignores all the real facts about him he's wished to conceal.

In the last thirty years this country has come off the rails...financially, culturally, politically, at a time when the rise of technology should have made things better not worse.

Regretably technology came to be promoted by phonies and showmen just as the banking world, communications, and even medicine and law have been hijacked by self-serving crooks posing what they do as "progress."

[Booth]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

He was an A-hole who posed himself as a new age guru whose ingestion of large amounts of something he shouldn't have eventually caused him to contract an incurable cancer at an early age.

Do you have any proof of this or is it just more of your made-up garbage? Aren't you the same guy who "diagnosed" Obama's illness here on the board?

Why do some of you guys continue to give TAE your business? I'd gladly go the rest of my life without sex before giving this business one penny.

[Happy Diver]

The guy was worth like 6 billion dollars when he died. He had to be doing something right. I'm sorry he's gone. Apple had and has neat game changing products. It has a market capitalization of about 350 billion dollars. It has made many people millionaires. Yes, he was a showman and a promoter, a lot of great men in business and other careers are. But he wasn't just that. He was also a great businessman. Sure he had his flaws, some serious. Most people do. It's easy to run people down, not so easy to walk in their shoes and do what they did. Jobs was one of a kind.