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Old 08-30-2011, 10:02 PM   #46
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But if the toll roads were designed for efficiency, how come you never see a 18 wheeler hauling load up them? seriously, they were for something else... not moving traffic. just $$$

What I meant by efficiency is that they do not want them congested. If we made 18 wheelers take the toll roads then it would help with the I35 cluster fuck. We needed to do something about that problem long before Perry was ever in office. Can we say Ann Richards. What did she do to help with Texas infrastructure??
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:10 PM   #47
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Wyldeman, first of all, all hippies became middle-aged liberals, that is quite an absolute for someone who did not even live here at that time. Secondly, the article was not about liberals and conservatives, but how Perry failed to please either side of the aisle. One minute the guy is all about individual rights, the next he is giving away your property.

No one likes paying tolls, but with the rising cost of toll fees across the state, one would assume there would be a better option. Therefore, an improved infrastructure ( government interference GASP) would begin to reduce are dependence on these privatized company, and reduce the amount of time you had to travel via tollway.

Btw…there was a government surplus under what administration Wyld?
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:15 PM   #48
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What I meant by efficiency is that they do not want them congested. If we made 18 wheelers take the toll roads then it would help with the I35 cluster fuck. We needed to do something about that problem long before Perry was ever in office. Can we say Ann Richards. What did she do to help with Texas infrastructure??
Dude, take a drive up the toll road. regular people done take them either because they want too much $$ every fucking 3-5 miles. if they dont move truckers off of the only real north south conduit, whats the point? the point is it lines peoples pockets in state funds they got .. from us. that snake of a tollroad is the dumbest idea that has ever come to fruition.

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A truck toll break might offer I-35 relief

Ben Wear, Getting There

Updated: 5:47 a.m. Monday, Dec. 21, 2009
Published: 6:55 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 20, 2009

Toll road advocates never promised Texas 130 would solve the 18-wheeler problem on Interstate 35, not in so many words.
But in justifying the $2 billion or so it took to build the 56-mile bypass of Austin, officials seldom failed to mention the danger and choking exhaust of the big rigs on I-35. Well, this is no scoop, but the trucks, a whole bunch of them, are still among us.
According to 2007 traffic counts of I-35, the most recent available, there were almost 24,000 "multi-axle" vehicles a day on I-35 at U.S. 183, "multi" in this case meaning more than the normal two axles and four wheels on cars, light trucks and modest-sized delivery trucks. That was about 10 percent of the total traffic.
Initial segments of Texas 130 opened in late 2006. The tollway had at most 2,200 multi-axle vehicles in a count this fall. The trucks make up less than 8 percent of Texas 130 traffic, according to Texas Department of Transportation statistics.
More to the point, the numbers indicate that there are at least 10 times as many trucks using I-35 as there are using Texas 130. So I counted earlier this month.
For an hour during the afternoon rush period, I sat on the frontage road just south of where Texas 45 Southeast branches off from the interstate. This vantage point made it possible to count how many vehicles with three or more axles took I-35 north into the maw of Austin's rush hour, and how many headed east for the wide open spaces of Texas 130.
(I recommend this highly to insomniacs.)
My count: 262 trucks took I-35, 21 turned right, a 12.5 -to-1 ratio.
It's easy to understand why. For one thing, a large chunk of trucks entering the Austin area on I-35 carry loads bound for points within the metro area. Texas 130 would be out of the way for them. But even for those 18-wheelers simply passing through, the toll bypass is both 12 miles longer — meaning more diesel cost — and carries a toll of about $26 .
Big rigs, you see, have a toll rate four times that of two-axle vehicles. Every time I write about this, I hear from people suggesting that TxDOT lower or eliminate this truck toll to get more of them off I-35. So I looked into it.
Turns out TxDOT could lower or eliminate the truck toll. The agency's legal agreement with bond investors requires only that it make enough in tolls to cover its debt payments along with a 40 percent cushion called "coverage." The three-tollway system of Texas 130, Texas 45 North and Loop 1, while not a wild financial success, is making much more than that.
I asked Mark Tomlinson , TxDOT's toll division director, if the agency has discussed some sort of truck toll rate cut. Yes, he said, they had, and it's not out of the question. Is it about to happen?
No, Tomlinson said, saying that it's no slam-dunk that a toll cut would lure trucks off I-35. It might be worth finding out.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:25 PM   #49
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I also think its highly relevent all the stomping he did for Gore supporting climate views, until it was politically expedient for him to shift gears.

he's a true politician, his opinion goes which way the wind blows and is a consumate liar. But he aint getting my vote.
I couldn't agree more. And then there is this:
Perry Parses Past Praise of Hillarycare...

Add his 2007 executive order mandating that all sixth grade girls in Texas submit to STD vaccinations which a Republican legislature quickly stopped by a 135-to-2 vote. Even many supporters of the governor resented Mr. Perry’s proposal as an abuse of executive authority.

And the 2008 incident in ElDorado where the state removed 126 children from there families based on a fraudulent telephone call. Perry refused to step in and the total cost of the raid and the ensuing litigation was reported to be upwards of $14 million before all the children were returned to their families by the courts.

Perry is a loose cannon who lacks good judgment and could never be trusted. I can't imagine that he will be able to survive the GOP primary challenge.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:46 PM   #50
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It's all so much madness. Our founding fathers when they wrote the constitution had no clue of the perversion of the 2+ party system that would develop. Career politicians are what fucks this country...but they would rather us blame whatever dumbass that gets presi crazy. No sane person would want that job.
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Wyldeman, first of all, all hippies became middle-aged liberals, that is quite an absolute for someone who did not even live here at that time. Secondly, the article was not about liberals and conservatives, but how Perry failed to please either side of the aisle. One minute the guy is all about individual rights, the next he is giving away your property.

Those hippies were liberals in their youth and I am sure most of them stayed that way here in Austin. This is a very liberal town. No one owns their property in Texas. If you do not pay your property taxes they can take your land. I am not for that shit at all.

No one likes paying tolls, but with the rising cost of toll fees across the state, one would assume there would be a better option. Therefore, an improved infrastructure ( government interference GASP) would begin to reduce are dependence on these privatized company, and reduce the amount of time you had to travel via tollway.

I am all for better infrastructure. Who do you suggest pays for it??? When the tax payer pays and the government is in control of the projects it cost more. I once saw a 4 road construction guys cleaning up along side a new bridge project. This is what I saw one guy holding a broom, another holding a dust pan, another guy pointing at what to sweep up. I guess the 4th was just there for morale support. Our tax dollars at work.

Btw…there was a government surplus under what administration Wyld?
I am willing to guess Ann Richards. BTW Haley have you ever heard of rolling legislation?
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American politics. Hand me the dice.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:43 AM   #53
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American politics. Hand me the dice.

No chit. Politics and Government in this country Suck. I really do not think any off those Fuck ups can do anything that will help the country.

I am not for Perry as much as I just do not want 4 more years of Obama. If Perry gets in and sucks as bad as Obama he will only be in there for 4 years.
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I couldn't agree more. And then there is this:
Perry Parses Past Praise of Hillarycare...

Add his 2007 executive order mandating that all sixth grade girls in Texas submit to STD vaccinations which a Republican legislature quickly stopped by a 135-to-2 vote. Even many supporters of the governor resented Mr. Perry’s proposal as an abuse of executive authority.

And the 2008 incident in ElDorado where the state removed 126 children from there families based on a fraudulent telephone call. Perry refused to step in and the total cost of the raid and the ensuing litigation was reported to be upwards of $14 million before all the children were returned to their families by the courts.

Perry is a loose cannon who lacks good judgment and could never be trusted. I can't imagine that he will be able to survive the GOP primary challenge.
Kudos to Billy Saul for bringing up the vaccination issue. I'm surprised that this and the sonogram bill aren't brought up more often. They're a large part of who Rick Perry is.

It's reassuring to see that not all conservatives think Perry is so great. I wish some of you guys could believe that not all liberals think Obama is so great either.
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Kudos to Billy Saul for bringing up the vaccination issue. I'm surprised that this and the sonogram bill aren't brought up more often. They're a large part of who Rick Perry is.

It's reassuring to see that not all conservatives think Perry is so great. I wish some of you guys could believe that not all liberals think Obama is so great either.

If he gets the nomination things like these and the trans Texas corridor are going to be used a lot.
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It's reassuring to see that not all conservatives think Perry is so great.
It's difficult to believe that anyone can rally around a guy who will forcibly take your land and give it to foreign interests, allow the government to take your children without due process, and forcibly injects disease into your body.
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It's all so much madness. Our founding fathers when they wrote the constitution had no clue of the perversion of the 2+ party system that would develop. Career politicians are what fucks this country...but they would rather us blame whatever dumbass that gets presi crazy. No sane person would want that job.
Agreed! 100%!
We need a fundamental change to our current political system. We need more political parties, we need term limits, we need more accountability.
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Some of the issues Haley and others brought up here are definitely concerns that I have with Perry. However, if it comes down to deciding on 4 more years of Obama vs a new administration under Perry, that would be a tough call for me. It's not because I agree with Perry on the issues brought up, but I have just as many issues with Obama's policies. Let's not forget that that when we have a change of President, it's about much more than who is actually elected. It's about what kind of administration that President puts together. What kind of economic team, foreign policy team etc etc. That's where you'll notice the biggest change, in the people that the President surrounds himself with and that advise him on our country's most critical matters.
On the local level, Austin needs transportation relief in a big way. We are growing by leaps and bounds and are road infrastructure was never designed to handle this kind of traffic.
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The first toll road in Texas was between Dallas and Ft. Worth. It was built by the state and financed by tolls. From the beginning it was mandated that the road revert to free public access once the cost was paid off. This seems a far more sensible way to do it then to grant foreign control to it.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:34 PM   #60
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Fook me. I was going to comment on Wyldeman's analysis of Haley's commentary and my eyes suddenly went crossed.

Carry on. This shit is THRILLING!

PS -- If you think selling off the toll roads to a foreign company is bad, wait until you see what Perry does to Social Security!
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