questions on ways to avoid seeing undercovers with turned accounts

[misslillylockhart]

I am spending the summer in nashville tn and have heard they are extremly strict and arrest multiple girls a week there is also "john" school simuliar to dui classes for offenders so vice is constently doing stings.and have access to a few p411 & ter accounts that were from arrested johns thats had p411 okays & whitelist refferals.I am now reconsidering seeing anyone while I am out there in fear of recieving dirty referances.I was wondering if there are any ways i can avoid getting busted by an under cover.I ha d a few ideas but not sure if they would work like if i require new clients to pay me via money pack or gift card can i still get arrested by an undercover?Or what if I only do outcall appointments to residences only? i was even thinking mabey I can require new clients to have a coffee meet and greet with me at least 2 days before desired appointment at a public place like starbucks and have them show me there id? you think vice can still bust me like that?lol i am trying to think of creative ways to avoid seeing one of the undercovers that has a turned account!any other ideas would be tottally appricated
thanks

[AdventureAdams]

My advice would be not to use P411 as your only verification. I wouldn't know how to get around something like a turned account because they can get you almost anywhere, whether it's your place or theirs, over coffee or not. They will invest alot of time and effort it they are confident it will lead to a arrest. But the deposit idea might work.

If I am visiting an area for other reasons than providing and it is "hot" in that location I prefer to lay low.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by misslillylockhart

I am spending the summer in nashville tn and have heard they are extremly strict and arrest multiple girls a week there is also "john" school simuliar to dui classes for offenders so vice is constently doing stings.and have access to a few p411 & ter accounts that were from arrested johns thats had p411 okays & whitelist refferals.I am now reconsidering seeing anyone while I am out there in fear of recieving dirty referances.I was wondering if there are any ways i can avoid getting busted by an under cover.I ha d a few ideas but not sure if they would work like if i require new clients to pay me via money pack or gift card can i still get arrested by an undercover?Or what if I only do outcall appointments to residences only? i was even thinking mabey I can require new clients to have a coffee meet and greet with me at least 2 days before desired appointment at a public place like starbucks and have them show me there id? you think vice can still bust me like that?lol i am trying to think of creative ways to avoid seeing one of the undercovers that has a turned account!any other ideas would be tottally appricated
thanks

Hate to bust your bubble Lilly but there a few flaws in your thinking. Nashville has been like this for years and not likely to change anytime soon.

The money pack idea might be good but I don;t see where you would gain much security requiring it. Nor would most guys participate anyway.

I believe you are much more vulnerable doing outcalls in general. You truly have no idea what you might be walking into. With your own incall, at least you control the scene. Since you don't let anyone know the exact location until they are in the parking lot, LE has no chance to set-up beforehand.

The pre-meet is an excellent idea. Of course you are going to have to those off the clock though. The whole "showing their ID" is pretty fruitless in any situation. If he were LE, he will still have a drivers licence, just like anyone else. It's not going to denote his occupation. I know some ladies require this and think it somehow "proves" he's not LE, but I don't think it means anything at all, except that he's legally able to drive a car.

Just follow all the rules for screening, also require PM from the guy, from whatever site he claims to be from. Anyone can "say" they are anyone from anywhere, but a PM from that account goes a long way towards proving it. Change your incall location every day or two, require a couple provider references from everyone, P411 etc.

I don't see how you can totally avoid getting pinched by someone who has been turned, but honestly I don't think it happens very often. Particularly a client being turned, usually its the other way around; a lady trying to reduce a ho charge by assisting LE. Only seeing verified, known guys lessens your chances greatly from an unknown/unverified random dude that just happens to respond to an ad. Maybe Blackhawk101 will chime in here with some ideas and intel on the current situation there.

I used to be in Nashville a lot and it can be very profitable, but you have to be on your game there and tightly adhere to the rules of the game. The only way you can be totally secure...in Nashville...is to leave Nashville and go to Memphis or Birmingham or Atlanta. But then you will have to deal with whatever the situation is there.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by misslillylockhart

I am spending the summer in nashville tn and have heard they are extremly strict and arrest multiple girls a week there is also "john" school simuliar to dui classes for offenders so vice is constently doing stings.and have access to a few p411 & ter accounts that were from arrested johns thats had p411 okays & whitelist refferals.I am now reconsidering seeing anyone while I am out there in fear of recieving dirty referances.I was wondering if there are any ways i can avoid getting busted by an under cover.I ha d a few ideas but not sure if they would work like if i require new clients to pay me via money pack or gift card can i still get arrested by an undercover?Or what if I only do outcall appointments to residences only? i was even thinking mabey I can require new clients to have a coffee meet and greet with me at least 2 days before desired appointment at a public place like starbucks and have them show me there id? you think vice can still bust me like that?lol i am trying to think of creative ways to avoid seeing one of the undercovers that has a turned account!any other ideas would be tottally appricated
thanks

Generally Vice stings are set up and planned in this manner. They locate where the problem is and sweep it with decoys make a good number of arrests. Example lets say buisness owners and residence are making complaints of Street walkers hanging around and propositioning patrons or passerby. Well Officers set up a little sting where they have an UCO roam the area on foot and vehicle in hopes of getting propositioned by a Street Walker. So to have a potential client meet you for a cup of coffee and idle chit chat maybe one good way to weed out any possible LE. Stings are set up to sweep an area not pinpoint individual escorts, it would be to time consuming. Another scenario would be a Hotel manager complains of possible escorts at his hotel they seem to get lots of visitors. Maybe a few guests have noticed. The sting would be set up at the Hotel whereby an UCO sets up appointments and makes an arrest. Anyway individual officers don't set up Vice stings alone, there is probably six or seven officers involved all having a specific duty to perform to make the sting affective. I was a JAG Officer in the Navy. So I understand a little about law and investigations. Even the Navy has had problems with escorting. If a Navy guy gets involved we had our investigation and we represented him as well.

[guest043013-2]

I have always wondered how meeting off the clock at a coffee shop (pre-meet) protects either party. You still have the same dance there that you would have at an incall or outcall location.

The only benefit to the pre-meet I see is that (1) guy gets to see gal is the one in the pictures, no bait and switch and (2) gal gets some feeling that the guy is clean, has some manners, and is not Hanibal Lecter.

EDIT: Oh, and the extra step may be enough for LE to look for easier fish in the pond.

[LynnT]

Sticking to incall, revealing location last minute, and not seeing newbies in a new city will certainty help limit chances.

More busts seem to be a lady doing outcalls.. and ladies with phone numbers listed in the open(easy targets) LE will less likely want to deal with trying to get through email screening to get you.

I also think in general the sex for money talk will come up rather quickly.. in the first few emails or the first phone call. (id have to do some research on that)Red flag obviously!!

Sure nothing above is fool proof but it will lessen the chance for sure.

[RickForFun]

Nashville is hot and has been but for the most part they go after the low hanging fruit. They go after the ones that are easy to get. Here is what I would suggest.
1. Do only incall or out calls to a residence.
2. Contact and screen via email.
3. Talk to them only after they are screened and as stated above, if anything is said out of bounds, end it there.
4. Go the extra mile with your screening.

I have a provider friend that got busted a couple of years back and it was because she didn't really screen. He told her he would show her a round trip plane ticket that proved he was from out of town. Problem was it was undercover that walked in with the ticket saying I am John Q Flyer. The ticket belonged to some poor bastard busted the night before. Don't get creative with screening, just do a good job with it.

[JEN OF SYRACUSE]

you made some pretty good points but as far as only doing an outcall if its a private residence isnt such a good idea we just had a big bust here in syracuse and le rented an apartment for six months and didnt arrest the girls/guys right away when there lease was up and they thought they had enough arrests they busted everyone all at once so i dont know if only going to private residences would be your best bet

Originally Posted by RickForFun

Nashville is hot and has been but for the most part they go after the low hanging fruit. They go after the ones that are easy to get. Here is what I would suggest.
1. Do only incall or out calls to a residence.
2. Contact and screen via email.
3. Talk to them only after they are screened and as stated above, if anything is said out of bounds, end it there.
4. Go the extra mile with your screening.

I have a provider friend that got busted a couple of years back and it was because she didn't really screen. He told her he would show her a round trip plane ticket that proved he was from out of town. Problem was it was undercover that walked in with the ticket saying I am John Q Flyer. The ticket belonged to some poor bastard busted the night before. Don't get creative with screening, just do a good job with it.

[GinaXXX]

vice is constently doing stings.and have access to a few p411 accounts that were from arrested johns thats had p411 okays.

Really? Since you supposedly know all about this, you might want to let me in on the details so I can shut those accounts down.

Thanks,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

[niceguy]

Now of course I am not on the boards all the time or some of the boards ever, but I have only heard of one "alleged” case of LE getting a guys P411 account information in the last five years.

That was in a different state than where I live.

Gina of P411 was all over that in a New York second.

Any, and all, suspected activity of this sort should be sent to her ASAP.

She, and her staff are well equipped to deal with it, and you can be certain it will be done fast.

Many just don't realize how truly efficient P411 is.

She also deals with bad behavior by any of the guys or gals very quickly too, so be sure she is also advised of any things of this nature as well.

She, and her staff do more to keep us all safe than any other source out there.

This IS NOT a paid endorsment. (Grin)

I like to recognize quality.

[hobbyprojb]

Having a client bring a current check stub from his job is also a good way to verifiy clients. Match his ID to the Check Stub to verify.

[Valerie]

Nashville can be tricky...It is one of my normal touring cities when I'm in the US. To be honest, I haven't seen a new client there in quite a while, (as I'm always just busy with my regular guys), and this is going to sound bad but there are very few providers in Nashville whom I would trust with references, just be careful in that respect.

As far as outcalls go, you're more likely to be caught in a sting doing them. I rarely EVER do outcalls in the States, even with regulars. If you're in your flat/hotel room, you are in control. When you go to someone else's, you never know what you're walking into, and that's just a chance in the States that I personally am not willing to take.

There are a lot of great guys in Nashville whom i trust and respect, if you ever have any questions about anyone feel free to email me. X

[Guest052912]

Originally Posted by hobbyprojb

Having a client bring a current check stub from his job is also a good way to verifiy clients. Match his ID to the Check Stub to verify.

Not really a good idea. I can make check stubs on my computer with a program I paid $50 bucks for. I can make them say whatever I want them to say. I do not use alternate methodss of screening. References only for me.

[guest100913]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Stings are set up to sweep an area not pinpoint individual escorts, it would be to time consuming.

This is not true in Nashville. Stings for sweeps occur occasionally, but for individual escorts, these occur often.

Visitors are specifically targeted because they often do not know about the environment locally, nor who is a good local reference and who is not.

If you plan to visit Nashville, you have to do your research as to what to avoid. Always VERIFY !!! Never assume.

[summerof42]

what about the other way around...what is the best way for guys to avoid you know who...are there any negatives to outcalls for the guys?...what should we avoid?