What is the definition of "POOR" in America?

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Does "RICH " inherently, equal "GREEDY " ?

How many here, believe that?

It does if your advancing an agenda and searching for divisive talking points.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

+1


Still waiting to hear your plan... hopefully, something a little more inspirational, educational / vocational than simply redistributing the wealth that the greedy rich have "taken" from the poor!

"Earn" - v. To acquire or deserve as a result of effort or action

Perhaps, it's time to turn this discussion toward :
What is the definition of "RICH" in America?

I don't care how rich you are....if you are ignorant then you are just rich and ignorant.

I would triple the tax on the ignorant folks that thought it was a good idea to cut taxes and start two wars. That was ignorant as pissy lemonaide.

I then would tax the fuc out of cooperation's that give to political parties. What an assault on individual freedom that Supreme Court decision was.

I would give free birth control to the very poor in this country , the very least that can afford to have children have the most , we do nothing to end this cycle. I will change this stupid way of thinking.

I would tax the living fuc out of any church that entered the political process.

I would change the tax code...one thing I would do would be to get rid of the charity deduction. I am sick and tired of people I have not elected having control of my tax dollars. Yes my tax dollars....them not paying their fair share means I have to pick up their load.
I would tell them to go fuc themselves if they did not like it....they have been telling me that I can not have my tax dollars go to abortion for years. I am going to even up that bullshit playing field.

But mostly I would tax the ignorant rich for being so God Damn greedy and blaming the poor for being poor. An ignorant/greedy tax if you will.

Once appointed King for life, I will straighten this country's problems out in no time. I can deal with the whiny one percent of the population that will not care for my hope and change, unlike Obama!

Oh and the death tax would be 100%. No snotty nosed kid needs to enjoy welfare from his/her parents. I would repel it once the national debt was paid off. I am sick of the rich little kids parents running up the national debt because the want lower taxes but are not willing to cut their pet projects and then giveb that theft of taxpayers money to their undeserving kid.

It stifles the kids incentive to work. He thinks he has done something to earn pappy's money when in fact all he did was hit the rich parent lotto.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by WTF

Hey Val, it isn't hard figuring out what constitutes one as poor , it is about as hard as figuring out the ignorant on any one subject.

Can we compare people to make that decision by looking at the car they drive? how many hi def tv's they have? computers and elctronic equipment? I phones in each hand? food in the kitchen? cloths and shoes everywhere? a standard of living that if I compare their stuff to mine doesnt show me where there is awhole lot of difrence between their stuff and mine. If where saying you determine a person is poor by the fact they qualify to recieve assisstance than I have personally witnessed people being on assisstance that do have comparable "STUFF" to me, so they eigher bought the stuff or someone charitable gave it to them.eigher way, seems theres enough money .I form my opinions from simple observations, not by just blanketing people as greedy and ignorant.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Marshall

I'd compare my charitable giving to yours any day......

Yea I bet you write yours off on your tax return. Which means you expect others to pick up wtf you did not pay. That is a bs deduction and typical of folks like you.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Does "RICH " inherently, equal "GREEDY " ?

How many here, believe that?

Originally Posted by pjorourke

No, according to the liberals, rich and conservative = greedy.

I can not speak for anyone other than me but rich is rich , conserative is conserative and greedy is greedy.

You can be one or a combo.

So PJ, you can be rich or you can be rich and conserative or you can be or you can be rich and greedy. Personally I do not think of true conseratives as greedy. I do think allot of rich and greedy folks mislabel themselves as conserative.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

It does if your advancing an agenda and searching for divisive talking points.

And the “New Age” philanthropist is a limousine lib agitating to take wealth from one set of individuals and assign it to another set of individuals.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Marshall

You don't dispute the fact I give more to charity than you?...why how liberal of you.....

I do not dispute the fact that it is ignorant to to think that you can prove that you can prove one way or the other who gives more to charity.

Originally Posted by Marshall

You don't want to encourage people to give to charities? You think you are entitled to the money I earned? I don't get to give money to the charity of my choice?........

You can give to whomever you like, just like I do. The fact is, I do not take nor believe that you should be able to take charity giving as a tax deduction. I think true giving does not involve tax deductions. That you do is just the kind of person that I thought you to be.

Originally Posted by Marshall

Ron Paul says that's insane.....
!

You are lying...Ron Paul has not read a fucking thing I have written.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Marshall

Nor has he ever received a single vote from you!

Now you have lied twice today that I know of.

First about Ron Paul reading something I had written on here and now this.

Not that you had any credibility with me in the first place but boy oh boy, you keep lying like that and your nose is going to be bigger than your percker. You going wind up looking like an elephant.****

****Marshall when you post and then I quote you and then you go back and delete your post it makes you appear
1) Like you actually think better after blurting out stupid shit from time to time and..
2) you are slow

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

Can we compare people to make that decision by looking at the car they drive? how many hi def tv's they have? computers and elctronic equipment? I phones in each hand? food in the kitchen? cloths and shoes everywhere? a standard of living that if I compare their stuff to mine doesnt show me where there is awhole lot of difrence between their stuff and mine. If where saying you determine a person is poor by the fact they qualify to recieve assisstance than I have personally witnessed people being on assisstance that do have comparable "STUFF" to me, so they eigher bought the stuff or someone charitable gave it to them.eigher way, seems theres enough money .I form my opinions from simple observations, not by just blanketing people as greedy and ignorant.

I'm not saying you can't read but you haven't understood WTF I posted as a poor person. What you described is a fraud. Those are two entirely different folks.

You are ignorant on this matter if you think a fraud is a poor person and then deny all help to poor people because you have observed fraud in the system.

I have no idea if you are greedy or not. Greed is not always bad the rich thought Robin Hood was greedy!

Originally Posted by WTF

A poor person has no money, has no marketable skills and has no ability to learn any, furthermore they will live in a place where nobody gives a fuc about them or the country is so poor that nobody can do anything for them.

[JONBALLS]

The system is about everyone paying in, for instance, landloarding is a second job for me, a "401k" if you will, except I dont trust that others will watch my money productivly.Case in point, worked for diff companies for my first 15 years of employment and everyone said it a good idea to contribute to a "401 k" yaaaahhh!! thats the ticket..So OK, I do it, and it does accumuulate untill theres a crash, then it goes to half its value, so I question people, this dont seem like such a great Idear..OOOOOOOhhh NOOO!! they tell me, just keep giving me more, it all will come back..OOhhhhh OK, so i continued, then a few more years later it maybe gains half of what it originally lost and then the fucking market tanks again... Then I Say what the FUCK!!!???? the same people tell me , OOhhhh NNoooo, just keep giving us your money and it will all work out ....WELL FUCK YOU!!! gimmie what ever you havnt squandered and Ill think ill start watching it myself... So after paying the government a huge penalty, I invested in a few houses on the side . At least I can see where it is, but year after year its just another set of vultures in my pocket everywhere i turn, its gimmie this fee or that fee, or insurance, taxs ..whatever....i sure as hell aint rich,but its the perception that can be instigated by others and its destructive to the well being of everyone.In my other ventures its required to pay into the system through workers comp insurance, have it, or I cant work. Its minimum is rounded $1600. per year and that excludes me from coverage should something happen. If I want to be covered it costs more, I waive it and take a chance, so in theory, thaey say they care about my well being, but will glady take $1600. per year knowing that should I get hurt, Ill be screwed, but still forked over the money. Now spread that tax out over just 10 years.(really more like 15) Im not great at math, but think I just threw $16,000. at something?Isnt that a HYUNDAI at HHHUUUUUUGGGGGGGEEEEEEE...Aa.. ...?This workrs comp regulation is just a fraction of the expense you throw money at and get nothing personally for it.Im OK with that to a point. Its the point where the math doesnt add up, people are still bitching that Im rich and not giving enough , ergo "DONT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE', and everywhere I turn i see people wanting to tear down hard working people that actually dont have a clue or understanding from personal experience or they wouldnt be spouting that crap unless they were a polititian clammoring for their job or their usefull idiot.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

If I want to be covered it costs more, I waive it and take a chance, so in theory, thaey say they care about my well being, but will glady take $1600. per year knowing that should I get hurt, Ill be screwed, but still forked over the money. .....?

Who do you think is going to pay if you get in an accident and run up a million bucks in costs at the ER?

Think about that and get back with me.

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

The system is about everyone paying in,

That in theory is what this so called Obama care is trying to do. Right now large corperations pat their employee's healthcare costs and people do not have to report that as income.

Their are many flaws in the current system that you need to be aware of.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by WTF

I'm not saying you can't read but you haven't understood WTF I posted as a poor person. What you described is a fraud. Those are two entirely different folks.

You are ignorant on this matter if you think a fraud is a poor person and then deny all help to poor people because you have observed fraud in the system.

OK , togethor through our POV's, we are finding areas of total agreement. This conversation between us has us coming togethor and agreeing that there is a diffrence. Im saying that im trying to get to a clear definition kinda toungue in cheek and also to illustrate that the people with the power to designate are the government, are already doing it and very poorly.. so I guess im not buying the arguement that throwing more and more money by raising the burden on the socalled rich($250,000. min per the presidents definition)is going to help the poors situation, rather harm it.I contend through just your and my arguement we could have that same conclusion if being open minded. Lets hold the line alittle for now on the job creators, give them some stability of tax policy and regulatory controll, and have an honest conversation about cutting out some fraud and graft. We all know this will never happen and none of us in this forum will be able to change it eigher .

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by WTF

Who do you think is going to pay if you get in an accident and run up a million bucks in costs at the ER?

Think about that and get back with me.



That in theory is what this so called Obama care is trying to do. Right now large corperations pat their employee's healthcare costs and people do not have to report that as income.

Their are many flaws in the current system that you need to be aware of.

I will pay for my hospitalization. I carry a policy for $625. per mo. At leasT I "THINK" it will be there??LOL!! not looking forward to finding out.But just in case it wont cover it, theyll lein every property I own which is ok, just let me maintain the ability to take care of myself. dont regulate me out of business so that I would have to ask for it.didnt have to think about it, have made provisions cause we used to live in a system were people do build business for the intent purpose of trying to service others not only through the service they provide but continually reinvesting in the business with the intent to grow and have the funds available to take care of their own needs while not burdening others.I know! I KNOW! your gonna say well not everyone has the ability to do this and I will say YOU ARE CORRECT!! ESPECIALLY UNDER SOCIALISM!!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by WTF

****Marshall when you post and then I quote you and then you go back and delete your post it makes you appear
1) Like you actually think better after blurting out stupid shit from time to time and..

I think this attempts to give him way too much credit.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

YOU ARE CORRECT!! ESPECIALLY UNDER SOCIALISM!!

Maybe, but calling the liberal position "socialism" doesn't make it so. Not even when you type it all in caps.