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Fast Gunn · 06-17-2011, 08:29 PM

You started with worthwhile ideas until you got to the czar part.

I think you may have the wrong country in mind.

Russia is the country for that title, but I don't Russia is where you want to be!

. . . Be careful what you wish for because you may get it!

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Originally Posted by J.G. Wentworth

Get out of all these wars, get off our dependency on foreign oil, legalize/decriminalize drugs like Portugal did, legalize the hobby, bring our education system back up to high standards, and make myself czar of the country.

I B Hankering · 06-17-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

You started with worthwhile ideas until you got to the czar part.

I think you may have the wrong country in mind.

Russia is the country for that title, but I don't Russia is where you want to be!

. . . Be careful what you wish for because you may get it!

But Russia usually only had one czar at a time. Sometimes there were two or three if you count the times when there were pretenders, but the current Great Pretender has already made about 41 czar appointments and currently has about 37 active czars in place. So J.G.'s chances are actually pretty good . . . after all, he's got that "hope" thing working for him.

guest061212-1 · 06-17-2011, 09:57 PM

and "change"

beaver lover · 06-17-2011, 10:37 PM

I could list many things that I think are contributing to our economic problems. But I think Congress is the main problem. The "entitlements" that our elected officials have brought (forced?) upon this country will eventually destroy it. In my opinion the driving force of our Executive and Legislative branches of government is to do what ever it takes to win the next election. Term limits may be a solution.

DFW5Traveler · 06-18-2011, 09:01 AM

Everytime I see the word "surplus" coming from a democrat, I just laugh. CONGRESS holds the purse strings and Clinton had a Republican congress. The surplus also was a BUDGET surplus, it was not a DEFICIT surplus. Those of you that choose to ignore that they were still deficit spending are just idiots.

Bill was spending like a drunkin' sailor and that is why the liberal congress was voted out. The BUDGET surplus was part of the Balanced Budget and (as much as I dislike newt) the Contract with America. The short term memory and blinders some people have is truly disgusting.

JONBALLS · 06-18-2011, 09:20 AM

Then there was the internet bubble, after Al Gore created it LOL, the economy exploded..Obama sure could use some "lightning striking twice" about now..

guest061212-1 · 06-18-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

Everytime I see the word "surplus" coming from a democrat, I just laugh. CONGRESS holds the purse strings and Clinton had a Republican congress. The surplus also was a BUDGET surplus, it was not a DEFICIT surplus. Those of you that choose to ignore that they were still deficit spending are just idiots.

Bill was spending like a drunkin' sailor and that is why the liberal congress was voted out. The BUDGET surplus was part of the Balanced Budget and (as much as I dislike newt) the Contract with America. The short term memory and blinders some people have is truly disgusting.

Can you explain further?

Looking at the data, the deficit was reduced during Clinton's time and government revenues exceeded expenses for the first time in over a decade.

More importantly, the current crop of twenty something females do not think of oral as sex and are better at it than any generation before them.

DFW5Traveler · 06-18-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J.G. Wentworth

Can you explain further?

Looking at the data, the deficit was reduced during Clinton's time and government revenues exceeded expenses for the first time in over a decade.

More importantly, the current crop of twenty something females do not think of oral as sex and are better at it than any generation before them.

How about this?

Article I, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution - The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imports and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; (Altered by Amendment XVI "Income tax".)

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

People seem to forget that it's the Congress that makes the rules/laws. The Balanced budget that happened during the Clinton Administration would not have happened without the Republican Congress. A President can only propose the laws, he may sign them, but without the Legislative branch, he's nothing, unless he doesn't give a damn about the US Constitution nor the oath he took to defend it.

Fast Gunn · 06-18-2011, 01:23 PM

Those are all basically empty words.

Simply spouting off articles of the Constitution does not give your argument any legitimacy, but it certainly adds pomposity to your tirade.

Congress may indeed have certain powers granted to it by the Constitution, like the power to declare war, but still it is the President that sets the tone of policy.

Bush went into Iraq without Congress even declaring war.

President Clinton did not have to take on the powers of Congress to leave this country with a surplus.

He just did not waste away the country's treasure on idiotic wars and led this country prudently when he focused on the economy.

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Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

How about this?

Article I, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution - The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imports and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; (Altered by Amendment XVI "Income tax".)

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

People seem to forget that it's the Congress that makes the rules/laws. The Balanced budget that happened during the Clinton Administration would not have happened without the Republican Congress. A President can only propose the laws, he may sign them, but without the Legislative branch, he's nothing, unless he doesn't give a damn about the US Constitution nor the oath he took to defend it.

Doove · 06-18-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

The Balanced budget that happened during the Clinton Administration would not have happened without the Republican Congress.

As evidenced by what happened when George Bush had a Republican congress.

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Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

The short term memory and blinders some people have is truly disgusting.

Indeed.

DFW5Traveler · 06-18-2011, 01:53 PM

You have no credibility when you can't even see what's happening right now. You sound like the progressive Wilson, concerning the US Constitution. If you think that knowing the Constitution makes me pompous, so be it. You can't claim innocents for your administration's out of control spending. They are spending it, not Bush. Bush didn't spend $1T until TARP who your "savior" helped sign into law. :P Have a nice day and learn to be factual with your drivel.

9/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.70 1,651,794,027,380.00 Obama - Democratic Congress
9/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.70 1,885,104,106,599.30 Obama - Democratic Congress
9/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.40 1,017,071,524,649.92 Bush - Democratic Congress
9/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48 500,679,473,047.25 Bush - Democratic Congress
9/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23 574,264,237,491.73 Bush
9/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50 553,656,965,393.18 Bush
9/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32 595,821,633,586.70 Bush
9/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62 554,995,097,146.46 Bush
9/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16 420,772,553,397.10 Bush

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/05/...s-in-pictures/

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm

http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0511.pdf

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Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

Those are all basically empty words.

Simply spouting off articles of the Constitution does not give your argument any legitimacy, but it certainly adds pomposity to your tirade.

Congress may indeed have certain powers granted to it by the Constitution, like the power to declare war, but still it is the President that sets the tone of policy.

Bush went into Iraq without Congress even declaring war.

President Clinton did not have to take on the powers of Congress to leave this country with a surplus.

He just did not waste away the country's treasure on idiotic wars and led this country prudently when he focused on the economy.

DFW5Traveler · 06-18-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Doove

As evidenced by what happened when George Bush had a Republican congress.

Indeed.

See above Douche, the rest was the time WAS a Republican congress. The Democrats said we'll fix the spending and that is why the Republicans lost congress during the Bush administration. They fixed it all right, it's been exponantially increasing.

Fast Gunn · 06-18-2011, 02:00 PM

You're losing it, boy.

When you lose your temper, you lose your argument.

DFW5Traveler · 06-18-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

You're losing it, boy.

When you lose your temper, you lose your argument.

LOL!!! Trust me I haven't lost it, but you just did. you obviously have nothing intelligent to add but left-wing talking points, have a great day.

guest061212-1 · 06-18-2011, 02:17 PM

It was during the Clinton years that lending restrictions were loosened up ridiculously that caused the mortgage and banking crisis of the last few years. Blame the administration or Congress if you want. They all worked together.

I will concede that congress has more blame than any of the presidents for a lot of our problems. My trust in elected officials, particularly the career politicians, is very low. They are the true high dollar hotties of our nation - bought and paid for.

How do change an oligarchy?