An interesting exchange with a relatively new provider. There seems to be a Good Market for NON GFE Service at the right rates

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Natalie Reign

We've been hearing that in Austin for a while now. But I think some hobbyists fail to realize that not every provider is aiming to see as many men as possible. Several of us in the $300+ range ended up at that price point because we were simply overwhelmed with business when our donations were lower. I found myself in that situation, and gradually increased my rate until I felt comfortable with the number of requests I was receiving versus the number of sessions I wanted to book in a week.

That is a different case. You did the right thing. You have to do what works for you and I am sure you are worth every penny, Natalie. When a provider is charging $300 and her services are not $300 services the men will feel cheated. Then again they could read reviews right?

At the end of the day, a provider is still a person, and if she wants to live a happy, productive life, she has to make an informed decision about how much she can reasonably give of herself, and what that service is worth to her. If a lady thinks to herself, "I would feel terrible about myself if I accepted $150/hour," but feels the risks and rewards of providing are balanced at $200/hour, then she shouldn't really be charging $150/hour, no matter what any hobbyist says. A provider deciding she will never drop below a certain rate isn't much different than a hobbyist deciding he will never pay more than a certain rate. Personal preference all around.

Point taken and I agree.. to some extent. I was just saying that every provider should give her all during a date. Perform well, Look good, Smell good and the men won't complain but hell some ladies don't even shave their legs or put on deodarant and charge $300 an hour. I don't think that is fair. If I were a hobbyist, I'd be upset.. wouldn't you?

If a provider is asking a certain rate, and still has enough business to live the lifestyle she desires, then she must be doing something right. We can't be all things to all people. And even if we could, when would we have time for ourselves?

I agree.

PS - Nice to see you posting in Austin, Naomi. xoxo

Very nice to see you posting as well.

[DRorchia]

I've seen the debate about pricing come up numerous times on the site. With so much variety out there, full GFE, non-GFE, BP, MP's, the Strip Club scene, SW's etc....I'm really not sure why some hobbyists would get wrapped around pricing. It seems there's a price range out there for everyone. It also seems it's a self correcting market. If demand drops below a certain level for certain providers, I'm sure they would adjust their pricing accordingly. At the end of the day, it's a business and if no one is walking through the doors, well, no money is made. By the same token, as Natalie mentioned if, if business is booming and demand past the point of comfort or the provider feels quality of service may suffer due to the high demand, then a price hike may work for that provider.
There certainly doesn't seem to be a shortage of providers when one takes into account all the different venues, sites where providers are available. The hard part sometimes is choosing the "right" one.

[austin_voy]

Originally Posted by Natalie Reign

We've been hearing that in Austin for a while now. But I think some hobbyists fail to realize that not every provider is aiming to see as many men as possible. Several of us in the $300+ range ended up at that price point because we were simply overwhelmed with business when our donations were lower. I found myself in that situation, and gradually increased my rate until I felt comfortable with the number of requests I was receiving versus the number of sessions I wanted to book in a week.

Good point. AND, while I haven't seen you, YET, the reviews all seem to say the time is worth the money. Ask yourselevs, ladies, if you were getting reviews that said "nice, but not at that price", wouldn't that tell you something?

Originally Posted by Natalie Reign

At the end of the day, a provider is still a person, and if she wants to live a happy, productive life, she has to make an informed decision about how much she can reasonably give of herself, and what that service is worth to her. If a lady thinks to herself, "I would feel terrible about myself if I accepted $150/hour," but feels the risks and rewards of providing are balanced at $200/hour, then she shouldn't really be charging $150/hour, no matter what any hobbyist says. A provider deciding she will never drop below a certain rate isn't much different than a hobbyist deciding he will never pay more than a certain rate. Personal preference all around.

I have told people this in a number of environments. Never negotiate yourself downward. You know what your time is worth both to you and in the market you are dealing with. You're not selling a car, you're selling yourself. By that I mean what ever job, provider, programmer, banker. If you feel like you're worth $300, don't let a guy say "how about $250?" If you get a lot of those, maybe YOU should think about it, but don't do it on the fly.

Originally Posted by Natalie Reign

If a provider is asking a certain rate, and still has enough business to live the lifestyle she desires, then she must be doing something right. We can't be all things to all people. And even if we could, when would we have time for ourselves?

An M-B CL has one target. A Toyota Versa has another. If you're going to be a Versa, you can't price like a CL. And if you're a CL, you're doing yourself a disservice to ask for Versa pricing. And even more so to be bargained down to there.

Originally Posted by Natalie Reign

PS - Nice to see you posting in Austin, Naomi. xoxo

[Majichands]

some are steak at steak prices some are hamburgers at steak prices and visa veresa. And what may be steak to one is actually chopped liver to another. but hey I am cajun kind of like chopped liver once and a while if I pay chopped liver prices but always prefer a filet mignon at liver prices and I bet guys are the same way........................... .........

[Rand Al'Thor]

Originally Posted by DTorchia

I've seen the debate about pricing come up numerous times on the site. With so much variety out there, full GFE, non-GFE, BP, MP's, the Strip Club scene, SW's etc....I'm really not sure why some hobbyists would get wrapped around pricing. It seems there's a price range out there for everyone.

I don't think there are many that worry about rates to that point. The few who do may be ones that just want to bang everyone on the market. I think that's more of a drive than anything else. That said, I really don't see much of an attempt to "drive down" rates. At most, guys set a limit on what they will spend, they're not backchannel asking others to not see someone to try to drive their rates down.

It also seems it's a self correcting market. If demand drops below a certain level for certain providers, I'm sure they would adjust their pricing accordingly. At the end of the day, it's a business and if no one is walking through the doors, well, no money is made.

You would think...but there have been some providers who had trouble making ends meet. In a fairly lucrative business where women like Natalie are adjusting prices to reduce demand, others are having trouble paying their bills or putting food on the table. That tells me that not all are adjusting their rates accordingly.

By the same token, as Natalie mentioned if, if business is booming and demand past the point of comfort or the provider feels quality of service may suffer due to the high demand, then a price hike may work for that provider.
There certainly doesn't seem to be a shortage of providers when one takes into account all the different venues, sites where providers are available. The hard part sometimes is choosing the "right" one.

Agreed.

[Rand Al'Thor]

Originally Posted by austin_voy

An M-B CL has one target. A Toyota Versa has another. If you're going to be a Versa, you can't price like a CL. And if you're a CL, you're doing yourself a disservice to ask for Versa pricing. And even more so to be bargained down to there.

I think it's Nissan that makes the Versa. This analogy works to a point. There are always standouts in the market that defy pricing. These usually end up being best sellers. Camry and Accord have been lowered priced than competition (not recently) for the quality and reliability and have sold more than their competition. Cars like Altima, Genesis offer a great price for better looks and power than their competitors. You don't have to be in the Versa niche to standout in pricing.

[austin_voy]

Thor: Thanks for the correction. I bought my Fit for what it does for me. But I knew exactly what I was getting and what I was paying for it.

If a lady says "okay, 6/hr" I'm going to say "okay, thanks" because that's just too steep for me. She might be worth it, might be the NDE, but I just can't afford it.

Reviews seem to help me decide. $100/hr FS with 5 or 6 recent "oh hell yeah" reviews is going to have me writing.

[Rand Al'Thor]

Yeah, some days, when I fill up and see $70 on the pump, I wish I had bought a smaller car. Other days, I love driving my beast on curvy and wet roads...

Let me know when you find that $100/hr FS...then again, I am that guy who looks a gift horse in the mouth... It costs good money to keep a horse these days.

[shaft.drive]

the gearheads are loose
reliability of the Japanese, the thrift of the Koreans, the comfort of the American, the driving feel of the German

very subjective

I know what I want, but do I always have that much cash??
Somedays I feel like splurging & somedays I am a penny pincher

I go up, I go down, I go round and round in my flying machine!