Let's Have Some Dialogue...

[Likinikki]

After all the drama behind the many *hate* threads lately...I thought maybe we could fun and share some ideas.

I realize and appreciate that your hobby funds are hard earned...and if I put myself in your shoes...I think i would be selective as to whom I meet...assuming I don't have free-flowing hobby funds. We have reviews...which are helpful as long as the hobbyist is *truthful.*

Reviews are subjective...so, unless the provider has an overwhelming number of good reviews...you're still left with the *maybe* factor. Sometimes, that provider is the one who ends up *suffering,* when they do not get a fair review...as expectations are raised above the quality of their service or looks.

Soooo, what could we all do to help make things better? Some ladies offer a meet & greet first...that way, you can actually see who you're visiting...but, does that give you the information you need? And, if so, do you think it would be fair for the provider to charge for that time...or no?

I have read where things like hygiene...incall location/cleanliness...weight...facial features...are issues. So, what exactly would help...so you gents don't feel *cheated or disappointed* with your selection? There are certain things that a proivder is not going to be able to change...so, let's stay on things that CAN be changed.

I've been thinking about creating a survey card...but, would that take away from the GFE aspect? What do you think?

Please keep this civil...as this thread is intended for information. I think most reputable providers are interested in meeting your needs...but, unless we get good feedback how are we able to make changes?

I will start with areas where I can improve. I am horrible with time management...and I intend to work on that! I tend to spread myself too thin...so, I have to learn to prioritize my schedule. I don't think I mislead my clients as to looks, weight, age, service level...but, if so...I would like to know.

Who's next?

[Marcus78]

Okay, I'll bite. You discussed the "Meet and Greet" offered by some providers. Personally, I never understood this. If I am willing to go out and meet and provider, and pay for it, I may as well schedule a BnG or something! Maybe its not the best way to get to know someone's personality (okay, you won't learn shit about their personality!) but if I was going to be charged, I would want something in return. It would be like being charged $50 bucks to walk into the expensive steakhouse just to realize the atmosphere doesn't suit you so you walk right out as opposed to dropping $200 on a meal. It just doesn't make sense to me! However, I am in a similar field where an enormous sum of money can be charged without any results (favorable or otherwise) being achieved, so I certainly appreciate and understand the aspect of paying for time in every since of the phrase.

I think I have gotten a pretty good assessment of a provider's attitude through this board. More often than not, if you take enough samples, it will tend to match up with the attitude described in reviews. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that reviews are only a fraction of what I consider when deciding on a lady to see. A large part (and in some instances the largest factor) is what someone says or does. A person can put on a facade for only so long until their true colors reveal themselves, even in cyberspace!

Lastly, you talked about hygiene. I always shower, brush, floss and use Listerine before a session. I don't think it is too much for any provider to do the same. If you don't have enough time between gents, then you need to see less people or space out appointments better. Again, it goes back to the $200 steak dinner analogy. It would be like sitting down to the meal only to be served on a visibly dirty plate with dirty silverware. (Not that I am comparing women to meat or anything, just to be clear ) We are paying top dollar, so I find no excuse suitable to explain why someone wouldn't be clean and ready to go. Basic hygiene is a necessity, especially in this field. This is just my $.02.
Wow, I ranted longer than I intended. But, I think I made some clear, and valid points. Happy hobbying everyone, and I hope this thread gives you some good ideas Nikki!
-Mark

[finlay]

Things I could improve on are.... incall location, a hobby phone (I know I know), maybe more lax screening? My weight, experience could all improve. I always try to please I don't talk too much I'm always afraid I will say the wrong thing.

I offer a meet and greet at no charge and bring enough to cover my meal just in case
I shower, shave brush, floss, rinse and rub lotion all over my body. I check my toes and fingers to make sure they are pretty. Then make up hair and of course clean pretties underneath

I hope this is stuff you were looking for nikki!

[Sonya Playmate]

Nikki,

I say be yourself and someone don't like you as who you are well then that's too bad. If you wanting to improve things to better yourself you can do anything you want. Always set your mind on your "goals" and you will get far in life. <3

[canyonman]

Originally Posted by Likinikki

After all the drama behind the many *hate* threads lately...I thought maybe we could fun and share some ideas.

I realize and appreciate that your hobby funds are hard earned...and if I put myself in your shoes...I think i would be selective as to whom I meet...assuming I don't have free-flowing hobby funds. We have reviews...which are helpful as long as the hobbyist is *truthful.*

Reviews are subjective...so, unless the provider has an overwhelming number of good reviews...you're still left with the *maybe* factor. Sometimes, that provider is the one who ends up *suffering,* when they do not get a fair review...as expectations are raised above the quality of their service or looks.

Soooo, what could we all do to help make things better? Some ladies offer a meet & greet first...that way, you can actually see who you're visiting...but, does that give you the information you need? And, if so, do you think it would be fair for the provider to charge for that time...or no?

Personally Nikki I have only been "dissappointed" once when opening the door.. My fault for going by reviews only as that provider didn't have photos. Men all see women in a different light and many times fudge on their reviews for whatever reason. I do my homework first before pulling the trigger and calling. I like the idea of a meeting if there is any question in either parties mind... Full rates for that meeting I wouldn't do but I would certainly buy dinner and drinks.

I have read where things like hygiene...incall location/cleanliness...weight...facial features...are issues. So, what exactly would help...so you gents don't feel *cheated or disappointed* with your selection? There are certain things that a proivder is not going to be able to change...so, let's stay on things that CAN be changed.

Updated photos would be the biggest thing that comes to mind.

I've been thinking about creating a survey card...but, would that take
away from the GFE aspect? What do you think?

Please keep this civil...as this thread is intended for information. I think most reputable providers are interested in meeting your needs...but, unless we get good feedback how are we able to make changes?

I will start with areas where I can improve. I am horrible with time management...and I intend to work on that! I tend to spread myself too thin...so, I have to learn to prioritize my schedule. I don't think I mislead my clients as to looks, weight, age, service level...but, if so...I would like to know.

I can agree with all the above paragraph, lol..
Who's next?

Good thread Nikki...

[Pepper_Springfield]

Originally Posted by Sonya

Nikki,

I say be yourself and someone don't like you as who you are well then that's too bad. If you wanting to improve things to better yourself you can do anything you want. Always set your mind on your "goals" and you will get far in life. <3

I agree. There is something for everyone here and if someone doesn't like a girl because of her attitude, weight, hair color, rates, etc, they can always move on to someone else. If someone is new and guys are not sure about seeing her, then they are just going to have to wait until she does have enough reviews to make an informed decision.

[tim_29m]

All good thoughts above...first and foremost being honest with the details that are put out there...definately agree with Marcus that going through the posts and interacting with the ladies on the boards are a bigger part for me when trying to decide who to contact...the reviews are great so I can get an idea of how the session may or may not go, but conversations with the ladies in the threads get me more interested...

[Likinikki]

Interaction on the boards is good for the community...but, some ladies prefer to *not* participate...which is understandable. So, if someone is a new provider...she is going to need some input.

Good hygiene is a MUST...on both sides! If a provider asks you if you would like to *refreshen up* please take that as a *hint* to jump in! (lol) Not because you smell...but, it may be her preference before you get comfy.

The other issue I forgot to mention...ORAL HYGIENE! Ok, I know this is a very touchy subject...as of late...but, this is a major issue. First off...EVERYONE has some kind of odor....but, it's difficult to smell your own breath sometimes. Do the hand test...lick the top of your hand during the day...and take a whiff. If it's not to your liking...then, it's not going to be pleasant to anyone else either!

Some people have major breath issues due to many factors...but, if you've eaten during the day...drank coffee...or smoked...brush your teeth and gargle! If you have bad teeth, allergies, diabetes or stomach ailments...the odor will not go away, but you can still chew gum or mints and take mouthwash with you.

Men and ladies...those of you with a healthy backside...when you shower, use a washcloth and get in between the crack! Water running between the crack is not going to clean the *sh#t* or smell out! (lol)

[oldtiger]

Normally I would not be in on the ground floor of a discussion like this, however I feel I can add to the discourse in a beneficial way.

I've only had one time where I considered writing a review with a "no" recommendation. I expressed my misgivings in the "rest of the story" to include my culpability, and felt had I been more forthright during the session the situation could have been mitigated.

I bring this up because I took my time dissecting the session, before I wrote the review and was left to wonder why such an elementary issue (hygiene related) would not have been handled in advance by an established provider. The kicker is, I was contacted by the same provider seeking a way to make up for my dissatisfaction. Now this is very impressive, and shows a real concern for customer satisfaction (I won't go into how she knew, because that leads to useless speculation).

The point of all of this is, if the provider is doing the things which ought to be "aber natürlich" the rest is going to come down to variables which will only play out during the session time (I had a GREAT time with the mentioned provider otherwise), chemistry is mercurial and if the client is doing his homework there should be very little left to chance.

[Altbier]

Aretha said it best: "R-E-S-P-E-C-T." It goes a long way toward setting the tone of any relationship.

NC/NS is the single most disrespectful act that I have encountered in the hobby. My time is valuable to me. Please keep appointments at the set time or cancel as early as possible. Being late to appointments, while not as egregious as NC/NS, is another sign that you don't respect my time. If you will respect my time, I will reciprocate in kind.

Honesty is part and parcel of respect. Deal with me openly and honestly and I will return the favor. Tell me what you want me to know.

Respect my sense of esthetics. Practice good hygiene, provide a clean and safe incall, keep pets under control, turn off the phone during our session, set a mood appropriate to the type session I have requested.

Don't disrespect others in my presence. Complaining about other hobbyists or providers or the way you have been treated by them is one of the surest ways I know to kill the mood. I won't complain about work or my SO.

Ok, enough already!

[Likinikki]

OT...I agree with you 100%! You would think a provider would cover all areas of her appearance/hygiene before a date. I think the problem is with each individual...as everyone is different in how they take care of themselves.

I am borderline OC, so it takes me longer than most women to prepare myself. Some, providers don't even take the time to brush their teeth or jump in the shower between meetings...thinking they don't need to! WRONG! Ladies, it's a necessity...trust me!

[oldtiger]

Hear Hear, Altbier! (that rhymes, winning!)

[Sonya Playmate]

Originally Posted by Altbier

Aretha said it best: "R-E-S-P-E-C-T." It goes a long way toward setting the tone of any relationship.

NC/NS is the single most disrespectful act that I have encountered in the hobby. My time is valuable to me. Please keep appointments at the set time or cancel as early as possible. Being late to appointments, while not as egregious as NC/NS, is another sign that you don't respect my time. If you will respect my time, I will reciprocate in kind.

Honesty is part and parcel of respect. Deal with me openly and honestly and I will return the favor. Tell me what you want me to know.

Respect my sense of esthetics. Practice good hygiene, provide a clean and safe incall, keep pets under control, turn off the phone during our session, set a mood appropriate to the type session I have requested.

Don't disrespect others in my presence. Complaining about other hobbyists or providers or the way you have been treated by them is one of the surest ways I know to kill the mood. I won't complain about work or my SO.

Ok, enough already!

Altbier, well said

[Guest071711]

Originally Posted by Sonya

Nikki,

I say be yourself and someone don't like you as who you are well then that's too bad. If you wanting to improve things to better yourself you can do anything you want. Always set your mind on your "goals" and you will get far in life. <3

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[Keyzer Soze]

Great thread Nikki just what we need with all the drama of late. The post up to now have been informative,and positive in nature,we can all learn from the feedback being provided.