Gee, ya know, this Ukraine thing might take more than a day to end the war. who knew..

[Jacky S]

And the killing continues.
It’s time for Europe to step up and declare war on Russia.

Aside from giving Putin what he wants, that is the only solution.

As long as India and China are financing Putin’s war by buying every drop of oil he will sell them, sanctions are a joke.

Let the killing continue.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

And the killing continues.
It’s time for Europe to step up and declare war on Russia.

Aside from giving Putin what he wants, that is the only solution.

As long as India and China are financing Putin’s war by buying every drop of oil he will sell them, sanctions are a joke.

Let the killing continue.

The killing will continue until one side gives up. Even if the organized killing is stopped the fighting will continue in small ways for some time to come. That’s the way of civil war.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The killing will continue until one side gives up. Even if the organized killing is stopped the fighting will continue in small ways for some time to come. That’s the way of civil war.

... Or they make a deal, mate... Which is what President Trump
is trying to persuade Russia and Ukraine to do.

#### Salty

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The killing will continue until one side gives up. Even if the organized killing is stopped the fighting will continue in small ways for some time to come. That’s the way of civil war.

But, the important thing is to make President Trump look bad.

Obama let Putin march in to Crimea and did nothing but give speeches. Biden let Putin invade Ukraine and did nothing because he is still there.

President Trump at the very least is trying to stop the killing. But Trump Derangement Syndrome compels the Left to be Pro Death rather than see President Trump succeed.

[Lucas McCain]

^^^ Jacky, give me a fucking break. The only people suffering from this made-up TDS shit are Trump depend sniffers. Stop the usual whataboutism deflection nonsense and stick to the topic which is the current POTUS' declaration about what would happen with the war if he was elected.

That man made many big promises that he has not even remotely kept to voters. One of them was ending that war on his 1st day in office. Yeah, common sense would have led reasonable people to know that was an exaggeration, but common sense would not have led people to believe that it would get worse. It has become worse so maybe dumb dumb should just shut the fuck up about it because he can't do shit because Putin knows that Trump is just a loudmouth clown running his fat mouth.

Edit: I honestly really don't give a shit about Trump's handling of that war. That's not our country's main problem right now. My main problem with Trump is the irresponsible manner in which he has temporarily fucked up our economy. He is doing better with it now, so that trumps (no pun intended) Ukraine to me.

[Salty Again]

... Hey mate - quit-with your whining. ... It's silly.
You obviously DO care about Trump and the war - or you wouldn't
be crying about it. ... And please explain how the war is "worse"
now - as Trump is trying to broker a peaceful solution.

... Gee, ya know, Trump is the one tryin' to bring the end
to this Ukraine thing - war with Russia.
Good thing YOU ain't on as President there, Lucas - or you'd surely
be shuffling Zelenskyy MORE money $$$ in the sad Biden manner.

So. how 'bout we give Trump some more time to broker peace.

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

The only word in your statement of worship that is remotely steeped in reality is “broker,” because Americans are surely-broker because of his stupidity and incompetence.

The only whining going in here is by MAGA idolaters who spend their days making excuses and trying to interpret that utter imbecile’s erratic mood swings. Makes them look as dim as their deity.

Besides, why do YOU care so much about Ukraine? You’re America First (last and only), right? You bought into his bragadocious campaign promises as if they were etched on stone tablets, right?

Let’s try this, Salty …

How ‘bout we hold Trump to his word?

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hey mate - quit-with your whining. ... It's silly.

No whining from me. Whining is crying about election fraud bullshit for years when someone loses by 8 million fucking votes in 2020. Notice how nobody started any thread about election fraud when Trump won? The real whiners in this forum are obvious to those of us who don't wear MAGA hats covered in tinfoil while posting.

If you can dispute what I posted about Trump and the war, please do so. I doubt I am the only one who would be eager to see you post a credible news link for once to support your daily bullshit. I know that won't ever happen, but I do believe in miracles. Haha

[pxmcc]

Salty, Trump offering Russia Crimea officially is basically saying, "invade your neighbor and we'll give you a big fat reward.."

China is licking their chops over what that means for Taiwan..

fuckery cannot be rewarded. full stop.

Trump should write Putin a really mean email over the recent bombing of Kiev. or maybe leave a really nasty message on Vlad's voicemail..

or, "Vlad, my good comrade, i love you. i thought being your bottom bitch at least counted for something. i thought you loved me too. you totally broke my heart.."

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Or they make a deal, mate... Which is what President Trump
is trying to persuade Russia and Ukraine to do.

#### Salty

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

But, the important thing is to make President Trump look bad.

Obama let Putin march in to Crimea and did nothing but give speeches. Biden let Putin invade Ukraine and did nothing because he is still there.

President Trump at the very least is trying to stop the killing. But Trump Derangement Syndrome compels the Left to be Pro Death rather than see President Trump succeed.

Anyone who believed Trump was going to end the war in Ukraine in a day is a fool. And anyone who wants to continue this war between the West and Russia, to the last Ukrainian, just to see Trump fail is sick.

I agree with what I think you're saying, that Russia probably wouldn't have moved against Ukraine in 2022 if Trump were president. The following, which I've posted before, goes a long way towards describing Putin's mindset,

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early

For 30 years NATO has pushed eastwards, despite early assurances it wouldn't. Why? Well, at the risk of being called a conspiracy theorist, a good part of the reason is the Defense Establishment in the West needed an excuse to maintain profits and power. Look for example at the Institute for the Study of War, funded by General Dynamics, Raytheon, CACI, and DynCorp among others. It's a think tank for neoconservatives that pushes for undeclared war against Russia and Iran among others.

What would the USA do if the USSR were still around, and were looking at adding Canada or Mexico to the Warsaw Pact group of countries? For our younger contributors, the Warsaw Pact was to the Soviets as NATO is to the USA. Well, there's a pretty damn good chance we'd invade Canada or Mexico.

Trump understood that. I give him credit for at least trying. I don't believe Biden ever picked up the phone and spoke with Putin after February of 2022.

Trump's still got a shot at ending this war. It's a chance worth taking.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

Salty, Trump offering Russia Crimea officially is basically saying, "invade your neighbor and we'll give you a big fat reward.."

China is licking their chops over what that means for Taiwan..

fuckery cannot be rewarded. full stop.

Trump should write Putin a really mean email over the recent bombing of Kiev. or maybe leave a really nasty message on Vlad's voicemail..

or, "Vlad, my good comrade, i love you. i thought being your bottom bitch at least counted for something. i thought you loved me too. you totally broke my heart.."

And where are England, France, Germany, Sweden, and all of the NATO Countries who are on the same strip of land.

Admit it. You want the killing to continue just so you can say Trump could not stop it.

The left’s answer is keep giving, (and paying for), more arms so Ukraine can hold out until Putin runs out of bullets and men. In the mean time, China, India, and most of those so called “Allies” of ours are buying anything Putin will sell them in the name of oil and natural gas.

But TDS compels the left to keep doing the same stupid shit.

And people keep dying.

[Yssup Rider]

You're just whack with that accusation. I wish you'd stop making it. It is libelous, plain and simple.

We know you don't know any better and as long as you keep the conversation on that level you won't be overwhelmed by any critical thinking or advance decision making.

Typical MAGA - if you dont worship Trump, you WANT war, famine, pestilence, criminals and the mentally ill running the streets ...

Why not also add education, healthcare, freedom, a robust economy, respect and the rule of law.

Constantly accusing those who disagree with you of an imaginary "mental health diagnosis" that turns Americans into war mongers is LIBELOUS and wrong. .

Please find a better way to parse your misunderstood emotions.

[pxmcc]

no sir. i'm a patriot before a partisan. if Trump can convince Putin to hand back Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, i will give him props and a golf clap. country over politics, anytime, anywhere..

Originally Posted by Jacky S

And where are England, France, Germany, Sweden, and all of the NATO Countries who are on the same strip of land.

Admit it. You want the killing to continue just so you can say Trump could not stop it.

The left’s answer is keep giving, (and paying for), more arms so Ukraine can hold out until Putin runs out of bullets and men. In the mean time, China, India, and most of those so called “Allies” of ours are buying anything Putin will sell them in the name of oil and natural gas.

But TDS compels the left to keep doing the same stupid shit.

And people keep dying.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You're just whack with that accusation. I wish you'd stop making it. It is libelous, plain and simple.

We know you don't know any better and as long as you keep the conversation on that level you won't be overwhelmed by any critical thinking or advance decision making.

Typical MAGA - if you dont worship Trump, you WANT war, famine, pestilence, criminals and the mentally ill running the streets ...

Why not also add education, healthcare, freedom, a robust economy, respect and the rule of law.

Constantly accusing those who disagree with you of an imaginary "mental health diagnosis" that turns Americans into war mongers is LIBELOUS and wrong. .

Please find a better way to parse your misunderstood emotions.

I do not have to “accuse” anyone. Their actions speak for them.

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Trump's still got a shot at ending this war. It's a chance worth taking.

Yeah, by only giving Putin what he wants. I think the people of Ukraine have made it fairly clear that they don't care to give those concessions. LOL