Gee, ya know, this Ukraine thing might take more than a day to end the war. who knew..

[69in2it69]

Why doesn't Trump have the balls to tell Pootin what he tells Iran? GTFO or we'll take air superiority in a day, build an Iron Dome v2 around Ukraine and give Ukraine every NATO weapon they need to keep the meat grinder of Russian conscripts running. Russia and the US did sign the Budapest Memorandum after all...

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Why doesn't Trump have the balls to tell Pootin what he tells Iran? GTFO or we'll take air superiority in a day, build an Iron Dome v2 around Ukraine and give Ukraine every NATO weapon they need to keep the meat grinder of Russian conscripts running. Russia and the US did sign the Budapest Memorandum after all...

Sheeeeeit, you think Putin is going to let his bottom bitch tell him what to do? Putin is an evil fucker, but he is a smart guy. He knows Trump is an idiot and is not going to do shit to him... the funny thing is that Trump is so delusional and stupid that he actually thought Putin respected him enough to end the war at his request.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Why doesn't Trump have the balls to tell Pootin what he tells Iran? GTFO or we'll take air superiority in a day, build an Iron Dome v2 around Ukraine and give Ukraine every NATO weapon they need to keep the meat grinder of Russian conscripts running. Russia and the US did sign the Budapest Memorandum after all...

That’s easier said than done. Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. If it’s backed into a corner it can go nuclear, or start carpet bombing civilians like we did in World War II. And the Ukraine war will be over pretty damn quick. There’s no way Russia loses this. Hopefully there will be a permanent cease fire like Korea, soon.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Russia, the aggressor, is the party that hasn't come to the table.

Wake up. You've been sleeping far too long

... Zelenskyy has changed his stance and terms of agreement
two or three times already.

Please try to keep up.

#### Salty

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

https://apnews.com/article/rubio-ukr...542f2f0422ddd6

suddenly, it dawns on Trump..

thoughts from center, left, n right?

I stand shoulder to shoulder with far left Social Democrat Bernie Sanders on this issue.

At least Trump’s trying. That’s more than you can say for Biden and Congress, which enabled this war which has killed hundreds of thousands.

[pxmcc]

i agree with you. Russia's vaunted military has had an "Emperor's New Clothes" moment getting basically stalemated by a nobody military called Ukraine.

what's funny is that Trump is missing something huge in the minerals deal he's doing with Ukraine. as soon as we have U.S. contractors on the ground, Trump will have no choice but to defend them, and in the process, Ukraine.

i think Zelensky was a genius for agreeing to the cease fire and to the minerals deal. Trump just got suckered into basically defending Ukraine because American lives will be at stake once the mining operations begin, hopefully soon.

i think we should keep supplying weapons to Ukraine as long as they have the will to fight. China is watching carefully to see if we defend our allies or abandon them when the going gets tough. as soon as they think we're a paper tiger, they will invade and take Taiwan. they are practicing invasion ops on the regular as we speak.

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Why doesn't Trump have the balls to tell Pootin what he tells Iran? GTFO or we'll take air superiority in a day, build an Iron Dome v2 around Ukraine and give Ukraine every NATO weapon they need to keep the meat grinder of Russian conscripts running. Russia and the US did sign the Budapest Memorandum after all...

[Iceman]

They've only signed a "memorandum of intent". No done deal yet.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Iceman

They've only signed a "memorandum of intent". No done deal yet.

Paving the way for Trump to change his mind yet again.

Surprise.

It’s hard to “never let them know what you’re thinking” when you can’t think to begin with.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Iceman

They've only signed a "memorandum of intent". No done deal yet.

What do you consider "deal done"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum


LM is right, Trump is being played by Putin, but I do believe that Russia would back down.


As long as NATO forces didn't cross into Russia I don't think he'd pull out tactical nukes...he knows what MAD means for him too. Not to mention, I bet over half of his weapons wouldn't successfully fire after decades of neglect and corruption.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

What do you consider "deal done"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

...I do believe that Russia would back down.

Why?

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

As long as NATO forces didn't cross into Russia I don't think he'd pull out tactical nukes...he knows what MAD means for him too. Not to mention, I bet over half of his weapons wouldn't successfully fire after decades of neglect and corruption.

I'm not sure the US military would agree 69in2it69.

This is a great article, well worth reading if you want a deeper understanding of the war from the perspective of the U.S. military:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...wiesbaden.html

If you don't have a NYT subscription, I believe you can read the article here,

https://archive.is/Fdwq3

Setting the stage, in October of 2022, Ukrainian forces were making progress in the south. Ukraine occupied land on the west side of the Dnipro River, which was a barrier to movement of its troops to the east and south. Momentum was on the Ukrainians' side, and the Americans encouraged them to take the initiative and cross the river and advance towards Crimea. The Ukrainian commander however believed he was running too short on munitions and supplies, and so stayed put. (This was a recurring theme by the way, whenever the Ukrainians had the wind at their backs, they weren't aggressive enough in the eyes of the Americans.)

From the article,

Perhaps no piece of Ukrainian soil was more precious to Mr. Putin than Crimea. As the Ukrainians haltingly advanced on the Dnipro, hoping to cross and advance toward the (Crimean) peninsula, this gave rise to what one Pentagon official called the “core tension." To give the Russian president an incentive to negotiate a deal, the official explained, the Ukrainians would have to put pressure on Crimea. To do so, though, could push him to contemplate doing “something desperate.”

The Ukrainians were already exerting pressure on the ground. And the Biden administration had authorized helping the Ukrainians develop, manufacture and deploy a nascent fleet of maritime drones to attack Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.....In October, with leeway to act within Crimea itself, the C.I.A. covertly started supporting drone strikes on the port of Sevastopol. (Tiny's note: Sevastopol is the major city in Crimea and where the Russian fleet is located.)

That same month, U.S. intelligence overheard Russia’s Ukraine commander, Gen. Sergei Surovikin, talking about indeed doing something desperate: using tactical nuclear weapons to prevent the Ukrainians from crossing the Dnipro and making a beeline to Crimea.

Until that moment, U.S. intelligence agencies had estimated the chance of Russia’s using nuclear weapons in Ukraine at 5 to 10 percent. Now, they said, if the Russian lines in the south collapsed, the probability was 50 percent.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Sheeeeeit, you think Putin is going to let his bottom bitch tell him what to do? Putin is an evil fucker, but he is a smart guy. He knows Trump is an idiot and is not going to do shit to him... the funny thing is that Trump is so delusional and stupid that he actually thought Putin respected him enough to end the war at his request.

Reality says you're a liar. Your boy Biden (don't even try your pathetic denials of that) didn't do shit. Trump has been harder on Putin than any Dem. Fact. Zelensky is the real problem, as Salty mentioned.But you and the rest of the left can't handle truth

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Did anyone really think that Trump was serious about a one day cease fire? Most of us are intelligent enough to recognize rhetoric but then again, Biden didn't try for any other than spending more money.

Congress spends money not Biden.... Republicans control congress.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Reality says you're a liar. Your boy Biden (don't even try your pathetic denials of that) didn't do shit. Trump has been harder on Putin than any Dem. Fact. Zelensky is the real problem, as Salty mentioned.But you and the rest of the left can't handle truth

This statement tells me that you’re living in an alternate reality.

Biden and Congress supported the Ukrainians since the beginning. NATO, US, and EU support along with the Ukrainian military stopped the Russian invasion in its tracks. Zelensky is supported by the Ukrainian people.

It appears like you are repeating Russian propaganda comrade.

[Yssup Rider]

Why do the MAGAs support Putin so steadfastly?

That's been a recurring theme throughout the American Dark Ages.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Why do the MAGAs support Putin so steadfastly?

That's been a recurring theme throughout the American Dark Ages.

we don't. you just think so because the MSN told you to think so.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

This statement tells me that you’re living in an alternate reality.

Biden and Congress supported the Ukrainians since the beginning. NATO, US, and EU support along with the Ukrainian military stopped the Russian invasion in its tracks. Zelensky is supported by the Ukrainian people.

It appears like you are repeating Russian propaganda comrade.

Biden could have ended the conflict in a few weeks but refused an Israeli brokered deal. ask yourself why and tell me who's living in an alternate reality?


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