Moscow and Putin truly control Trump and Vance.

[pertpvyztrzv]

So putting all the "Pravda" propaganda aside. They're actually good for stuff outside of Russia and another point of view into the US.

https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/03/02/1103193.html

The observer also noted that the key to the solution may be a deal on mineral resources, which has not been signed. This agreement was part of Zelensky's victory plan, which, as many mistakenly believed, was supposed to provide Ukraine with a winning position in negotiations with Moscow, the analyst believes.

"The bottom line is that a mineral deal would strengthen the US interest in the conflict, and with some tricks, Ukraine could involve the US in a full-fledged confrontation with Russia, and maybe even in a real war," Mercouris explained.

Totally makes sense. Especially with Z talking about "security guarantees", figuring if US had a stake and a presence, would deter Russia or get US more involved than we want.

Trump didn't fall for the Z plan. You can say what you want, results speak for themselves.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by Makehermoan

Well, as someone who actually knows Economics and works in that field i can 100% tell you that you are truly misinformed to the point that your ignorance can only be outshined by your stupidity. The policies of Biden and in fact just about every Democratic president for the last 50 years has always led the US into a stronger economy both locally and globally, while the policies of tRump and every Republican president since Nixon has led the local/global economy to a recession. Nixon taking the US off the gold standard paved the way for Reagan's trickle down economics platform and pushed the US towards hyper-inflation. I could go into more detail but i can guarantee that you don't even understand what I've written thus far.

The only thing you wrote that was accurate is that Nixon took us off the gold standard.

[Jacuzzme]

If being a pussy nation consists of not getting involved in foreign wars that are none of our business, I’m more than happy to be that.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

If being a pussy nation consists of not getting involved in foreign wars that are none of our business, I’m more than happy to be that.

They'll become your business. We learned this lesson before.

[pertpvyztrzv]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

They'll become your business. We learned this lesson before.

Only because they'll be begging for help, like every other European war.

Someday we might learn to say "NO f-ing way, FAFO". See ya.

[HDGristle]

Same logic that was prevalent before we got pulled in before.

See the weak leadership on display in the Oval for what it is. Appeasement and hoping for the best instead of strong and decisive leadership projecting our interests and expanding the bubble of our influence and security options.

Xi and Vlad want the U.S. to pull back. Trump's happy to oblige

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

The American People need to see, and hear, the absurd futility in continuing to fund a futile and unwinable war were the only guarantee is the continuing slaughter of thousands of young men on either side.

President Trump is offering Zelensky a honorable way out. He refused to take it.

Originally Posted by Jacky S

When that Killer and actual Dictator has a gun cocked and holding it against the back of your head, your options become pretty scarce.
That is exactly what President Trump was explaining to Zelensky.

Originally Posted by Jacky S

The last World War tells us that Russia will go to just about any extreme to defeat an enemy.

That is why Putin will not back up. Just as Joe Stalin instituted a scorched policy combine with sacrificing millions of his Countrymen in order to push back and defeat NAZI Germany, Putin will do the same thing, with the added terror of his nuclear arsenal.

Well said Jacky.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Same logic that was prevalent before we got pulled in before.

See the weak leadership on display in the Oval for what it is. Appeasement and hoping for the best instead of strong and decisive leadership projecting our interests and expanding the bubble of our influence and security options.

Xi and Vlad want the U.S. to pull back. Trump's happy to oblige

Originally Posted by HDGristle

They'll become your business. We learned this lesson before.

They'll become our business, like in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.? We really needed to spend $8 trillion on the war on terror and contribute to 4.5 million deaths. Or all those WMD's would come raining down on the USA and terrorists would be killing us right and left.

The argument for enabling war in Ukraine instead of peace is even weaker.

We don't know exactly what Trump is intending to do yet. He may continue the weapons flow to Ukraine to put pressure on Russia to settle this fairly.

[HDGristle]

Go back further

[Jacuzzme]

HD thinks Putin is gonna stomp all over Europe like Charlemagne when he can’t take a Rhode Island size slice in which 90% of the inhabitants already consider themselves Russian. Might make a good Tom Clancy novel but not much else.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

HD thinks Putin is gonna stomp all over Europe like Charlemagne when he can’t take a Rhode Island size slice in which 90% of the inhabitants already consider themselves Russian. Might make a good Tom Clancy novel but not much else.

Haha! Good one. Admittedly a lot less than 90% consider themselves Russian.

Take a look at this,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

In 2023, the USA spent 8X more on defense than Russia. Collectively the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Ukraine and Spain spent 3.3X more, and except for Ukraine and Poland were each spending under 2.5% of GDP.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

HD thinks Putin is gonna stomp all over Europe like Charlemagne when he can’t take a Rhode Island size slice in which 90% of the inhabitants already consider themselves Russian. Might make a good Tom Clancy novel but not much else.

Too far. He wants to expand at the very least to Transnistria and take back the northern territories.

Trump would let him. NATO prevents that for the moment.

[pertpvyztrzv]

Not only able to tell the future, but what everyone is thinking and going to do.

F-ing awesome, wish I could do that.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by pertpvyztrzv

Not only able to tell the future, but what everyone is thinking and going to do.

F-ing awesome, wish I could do that.

Game recognizes game

[Tiny]

I've gone from thinking "WTF were Vance and Trump doing, why couldn't they keep their mouths shut," to believing they did the right thing. The following is from the Associated Press, today. Zelenskyy needs some prodding to come to the table.

Zelenskyy:

A deal to end the war between Ukraine and Russia “is still very, very far away,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, adding that he believed Ukraine’s long-term partnership with the U.S. was strong enough that American support would continue despite recent fraught relations with U.S. President Donald Trump.

“I think our relationship (with the U.S.) will continue, because it’s more than an occasional relationship,” Zelenskyy said late Sunday, referring to Washington’s support for the past three years of war.

“I believe that Ukraine has a strong enough partnership with the United States of America” to keep aid flowing, he said at a briefing in Ukrainian before leaving London.

Trump's Reply:

“This is the worst statement that could have been made by Zelenskyy, and America will not put up with it for much longer!” Trump said in a post on his Truth Social platform.

“It is what I was saying, this guy doesn’t want there to be Peace as long as he has America’s backing and, Europe, in the meeting they had with Zelenskyy, stated flatly that they cannot do the job without the U.S. — Probably not a great statement to have been made in terms of a show of strength against Russia,” Trump added in his post. “What are they thinking?”

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...a92adad1715231

According to a Gallup poll, 52% of Ukrainians want an end to the war as soon as possible. 38% believe their country should keep fighting until victory.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/...d-end-war.aspx

Time to end the madness.